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RioR
12-13-2004, 08:29 PM
<DIV>EQ1's and EQ2's lore will not always match up (and they don't have to). EQ2 is in a parallel universe. It was done this way so that the EQ2 devs would not be totally restricted by EQ1's lore (which some of it is pure player speculation and not fact anyway...don't believe everything you read on some lore sites). So don't get frustrated if something does not match up. It was meant to be that way. Again supporting the fact that EQ2 is it's own game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyhappy: </DIV>

alerka
12-14-2004, 10:58 AM
<DIV>And thats the gayest thing I've ever heard. I know you are not responsible, and am not blaming you. Why the hell did SOE call it EQ2 and claim its 500 years in the future of EQ1 if they are going to just make up BS?</DIV>

NovaX
12-14-2004, 03:25 PM
You are slightly mistaken. EQ2 Exsists parallel to EQ1 because at the moment they are both ongoing stories, so they are parallel to eachother. The history will not be different, so things that happened in EQ1 before EQ2 came about is still part of EQ2's history. Now if they wanted to call it an Alternate Universe, then you could say that. So again, parallel is not alternate. Parallel means it exsists along side eachother, like two peices of bread.. get it?

Gobbwin
12-14-2004, 06:08 PM
<DIV>Think about it this way, for a true sequel to happen, the first must end.  Otherwise it would be impossable to have a sequel.  Where do you pick up and how do you link to the original?  If they are both going on at the same time (like EQ1 and 2 are) then any changes to the first one would have to be reflected in EQ2 if they are to be a direct sequel.  Also there are so many plot continuations that there is no way that this could be anything other than a sequel and a **mods 4 teh win!!1!** good one at that.</DIV>

alerka
12-15-2004, 06:08 AM
<DIV>I know its difficult to have EQ1 and EQ2 running at the same time and have the history  match up exactly, thats not my problem. My problem arises when they do stuff like say the Trolls were created by Cazic-Thule out of the slime and mud of Innathule swamp (in EQ1), but EQ2 lore states the Trolls were created by Innoruuk. Thats just unaceptable.</DIV>

RioR
12-15-2004, 06:43 PM
<DIV>I am not mistaken at all. I have followed this game for 2 years. They only called it EQ2 for lack of a better name. It is not a true sequel. This was all told to us by SOE some time ago. The lore will never match up completely.</DIV><p>Message Edited by RioRio on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>05:48 AM</span>

RioR
12-15-2004, 07:22 PM
<DIV>Here is an old quote from MG dated Sep 03, 2003.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=genmed><B><FONT color=#bbccdd size=2>Moorgard wrote:</FONT></B></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=genmed></SPAN>As another point of clarification, the whole "alternate <SPAN><B>universe</B></SPAN>" thing is not that big a deal. Our two games are going to exist in parallel development for a long, long time, and the EQ2 team doesn't want to be forced to react to every decision those guys make in terms of future game lore.<BR><BR>So think of Norrath's timeline. Look at everything that happened up through the opening of the Planes of Power. That's the history and lore we're building our world upon.<BR><BR>We're not trying to rewrite history. We just want each game to be free to develop its own future. Make sense?</DIV>

troodon311
12-15-2004, 11:59 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> alerka wrote:<BR> <DIV>but EQ2 lore states the Trolls were created by Innoruuk. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Where does it say that?  The website says "Cazic Thule"

Amise
12-18-2004, 10:20 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> alerka wrote:<BR> <DIV>I know its difficult to have EQ1 and EQ2 running at the same time and have the history  match up exactly, thats not my problem. My problem arises when they do stuff like say the Trolls were created by Cazic-Thule out of the slime and mud of Innathule swamp (in EQ1), but EQ2 lore states the Trolls were created by Innoruuk. Thats just unaceptable.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Just to muddy the waters a little, EQ1 beta lore was often different again. =P  For example some very early lore I read about Kunark stated that Trakanon himself created the Troll race by corrupting humans that lived in the Swamp of No Hope.</P> <P>I look on much of the game lore as not neccessarily game world fact, but legend and mystery -- sometimes there are things that we will never know for certain, but we may hear a lot of tall tales about it.</P>

Niu
12-18-2004, 10:35 AM
<blockquote><hr>alerka wrote:<DIV>I know its difficult to have EQ1 and EQ2 running at the same time and have the history match up exactly, thats not my problem. My problem arises when they do stuff like say the Trolls were created by Cazic-Thule out of the slime and mud of Innathule swamp (in EQ1), but EQ2 lore states the Trolls were created by Innoruuk. Thats just unaceptable.</DIV><hr></blockquote>The odd thing is I remember EQ1 Lore stating Innoruuk corrupted the Trolls from human forms and left them on the shores of Kunark where Trakanon took them in.

Niu
12-18-2004, 10:39 AM
<blockquote><hr>Amise wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>alerka wrote:<BR><DIV>I know its difficult to have EQ1 and EQ2 running at the same time and have the history match up exactly, thats not my problem. My problem arises when they do stuff like say the Trolls were created by Cazic-Thule out of the slime and mud of Innathule swamp (in EQ1), but EQ2 lore states the Trolls were created by Innoruuk. Thats just unaceptable.</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P>Just to muddy the waters a little, EQ1 beta lore was often different again. =P For example some very early lore I read about Kunark stated that Trakanon himself created the Troll race by corrupting humans that lived in the Swamp of No Hope.</P><P>I look on much of the game lore as not neccessarily game world fact, but legend and mystery -- sometimes there are things that we will never know for certain, but we may hear a lot of tall tales about it.</P><hr></blockquote>Exactly.... there's lore stating that Mithmar and Erollisi weren't the patrons of anybody before the humans and finally decided on the humans after travelling throughout Norrath. Then again there's lore stating that Mithmar and Erollisi gave the early barbarians a spark of wisdom and soon the enlightened savages gave birth to the Halasian barbarians and then slowly but surely another generation, endowed by the Marrs, went south and became the various human tribes before Bayle's ancestor unified them with the Qeynos Claymore into the Humans.

MondaynSilvaCor
12-18-2004, 06:54 PM
<DIV>to me I have always viewed EQ2 as a 'what if' story. I think of it as, what if Druzzil hadn't of reset the killing of the gods in the plane of time? thus to me, EQ2 begins. That's just my self explenation.</DIV>

Corwyn_k
12-19-2004, 11:00 PM
<DIV>Lore in EQ has always been contradictory, much like in real life.  History is often written by people with an agenda or a bias and it reflects that...in the EQ world there are plenty of gods but none of them appear to be omnipotent and I would go so far as to say none (or at least most) of them would be above deceit where it suits their purposes.  Finding the real "truth" is something that will take much time and effort and sifting through various contradictory sources.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My understanding of the parallel universe bit was that EQ2 would reflect EQ1 up to a certain point and after that point the histories could diverge.  I believe that point is somewhere between PoP and OoW...probably just before GoD as Ive seen no mention of muramites in EQ2 whatsoever.  I would suggest that just because the histories diverge it doesnt mean that some things that occur after the divergence point wont be reflected in EQ2...for instance, the mistmoore zone in EQ1 is about to have a revolution and it wouldnt surprise me to have it reflected in the zone in EQ2 when Faydwer is rediscovered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Corwyn of Neriak server</DIV>

DavrilGreenstri
12-23-2004, 02:01 AM
<DIV>Don't forget that you're looking for consistency in the legends of a world where the time from the peopling of the planet to their version of the Middle Ages appears to be a few hundred years, where entire nations (even whole races) have exactly one city, and where the passage of 500 more years has not resulted in any significant technological growth or change whatsoever.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The lore of Norrath has never been that strong in terms of internal consistency.  It doesn't have to be, because its purpose is just to give some background to the game, not to provide the backdrop of an epic novel or series.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Kondul
12-23-2004, 08:20 PM
Odd, I always thought the Trolls were created by Innoruuk before he made the dark elves as sort of a failed attempt to make something to counter Tunare's creations.ah well.EQ1 Lore cannot match perfectly to EQ2 lore, cause that would require you to go back an revise EQ2 every time a new expansion/storyline event happened in EQ1. Like, if in the next expansion they descided to unveil a new island full of super Intelligent Pirate Kobolds, EQ2 would likely have to address that somehow. By saying "EQ2 is an alternate future of EQ1 starting... here" they can do whatever they like in both games without having to change the other. The only other logical thing to do would be to plot out, in detail, the last (or next, depending on your point of view) 500 of norrathian history, and plan out every EQ1 expansion before ever releasing EQ2.

Sp
01-04-2005, 02:41 AM
Have to give some way to marketing. Take EQOA. I'm betting there was no mention whatsoever before this game was announced of the cities Fayspires, Tethelin, Klick'Anon, Highborne, and Moradhim. They worked them into the lore anyway.So don't expect a solid, uncontradicting history.Hell, we can't even get real world history right- don't expect us to create an accurate complex history right.

BLOODka
01-04-2005, 09:29 PM
<DIV>Trolls originally came from Kunark and were not always evil</DIV>

Sp
01-05-2005, 12:40 AM
I doubt that, they were created by Cazic Thule, an Evil God.

BLOODka
01-05-2005, 01:34 AM
<DIV>Read the real original lore on Trolls. There was once a Troll Paladin leader on Kunark and they warred with many of the creatures of Kunark. Also the Troll Paladin was in a group of 2 others (An elf and somthing else I forgot) but they were basically heroes of their time. Eventually the trolls started becoming corrupted and evil (thus a new "creation") and were outcasted from Kunark...they "swam" over Timorous Deep and ended up in South Tunaria (Antonica) where Broken Skull Rock and Innothule Swamp lay.</DIV>

troodon311
01-05-2005, 01:44 AM
<DIV>That's no longer valid lore, just Beta lore; it doesn't match up with anything from Kunark or Velious.</DIV>

SweetSi
01-14-2005, 08:05 PM
<blockquote><hr>DavrilGreenstride wrote:<DIV>Don't forget that you're looking for consistency in the legends of a world where the time from the peopling of the planet to their version of the Middle Ages appears to be a few hundred years, where entire nations (even whole races) have exactly one city, and where the passage of 500 more years has not resulted in any significant technological growth or change whatsoever. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The lore of Norrath has never been that strong in terms of internal consistency. It doesn't have to be, because its purpose is just to give some background to the game, not to provide the backdrop of an epic novel or series.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>This isnt surprising though - where we have races with a lifespan of 750 years (dark elves) who have a cultural history of divinely inspired progress, rather than empirically nurtured science, what can you expect? Look to the gnomes for the future <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It takes more than 2 generations for a reliance on absolute and realised theocracy and miracle to be broken <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> There wil l still be people around (Hi Kizdean!) who can personally *remember* the miracles of the gods, and amidst that short short worldspan the lands have been riven, constantly, by continent spanning war and intrigue, using weapons and magics powerful enough to devestate entire peoples.