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Hatho
12-02-2004, 09:13 PM
<DIV>Does anyone know anything about dwarf's?</DIV> <DIV>I am a dwarf and i never played EQ1, si i dont know anything about them in EQ terms.</DIV> <DIV>Heres a few questions i would lik eto know but please add anything you may wish to.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* Where is the Dwarven homeland?</DIV> <DIV>* Is the homeland still there?</DIV> <DIV>* Whats the story behind Dwarfs? Any reason why they are small?</DIV>

Kulku
12-02-2004, 09:21 PM
<DIV>Ill try to remember the lore i remember from eq1 and other stuff.  Basically the dwarfs home was Kaladim a city in a wall of cliff in the Butcherblock mountains on faydark (a continent from eq1 where the woodelves high elves, dwarfs and gnome lived, over in the east) they were created by the god brell serellis, he created both the dwarfs and gnomes, but i believe it was the gnomes first? and wasnt there some dwarf that lived on velious in the ice? (i neverhad that expansion so never went)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway not much is know about any of Faydark after the shattering so its hard to say what happened to there home, but pretty good chance it was destroyed as it was reasoably near the coast so tidal waves etc wouldnt have been good, (you used to have to get the boat from near Kaladim over to Freeport through the ocean of tears).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Um heaps more to say but i cant remeber it all, no doubt someone will have a link to the full story</DIV>

Kamimura
12-02-2004, 09:40 PM
<DIV>Actually, the Faydark was the area where the elves lived. Faydwer is the name of the continent the dwarves were from.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The whole bit about the 'ice dwarves', or the Coldain as they called themselves.. They were sailing, though I cant remember why, and were caught in a storm. When they landed they were on Velious (a continent that was at the time frozen over). Here is a link to some more info about how they survived, and what else was going on on Velious. <A href="http://www.eqdruids.com/reference/lore_norrath/lorevelious.htm" target=_blank>http://www.eqdruids.com/reference/lore_norrath/lorevelious.htm</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And here is a link to the history of Norrath, so you can see where dwarves fit in, and at what point they were created in relation to the other races.</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.allakhazam.com/lore/History_General.html" target=_blank>http://www.allakhazam.com/lore/History_General.html</A></DIV>

Kulku
12-02-2004, 10:09 PM
<DIV>ah yeh Fawyder, i knew it began with an F and faydark just jumped into my head first <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

troodon311
12-02-2004, 10:28 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hathorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>* Where is the Dwarven homeland?</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>As previously stated, Dwarves lived in Kaladim on the continent of Faydwer.  There were also some Dwarves that lived on the frozen continent of Velious, but they are not the same as the Dwarves you can play in this game.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR> * Is the homeland still there? <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>We don't know.  EQ2 at the moment only encompasses the Shattered Lands which are the remains of the continent of Antonica; I'm sure the story of Kaladim and its Dwarves will be told in a later expansion (quite possibly the first).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And if you're curious, the Dwarves seen in the Shattered Lands are either descended from immigrants who came during the Age of Turmoil or refugees that fled Faydwer during the Age of War or the Age of Cataclysms.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR> * Whats the story behind Dwarfs? Any reason why they are small? <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>The History of Norrath link posted above gives you a good amount of info on them.  They were created by Brell Serilis (the God of the Underfoot, the Duke of Below; basically the god of underneath-the-ground) and are small so that they can more easily inhabit inside the earth.  Gnomes and Gnolls (dog-like creatures that you slaughter en masse outside of Qeynos) are also creations of this god.

ganjookie
12-03-2004, 02:20 AM
Dwarves do not have good memories, as they uesed to have a ninja flip/roll when they jumped in EQ1..now though, they just jump <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Hatho
12-03-2004, 06:44 AM
<DIV>lol  i want that flip :p<BR> Cheers guys  u answered it all in one go <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Tazekiel
12-10-2004, 08:00 AM
<DIV>Aye, Dwarves are from Kaladim, in the Butcherblock Mountains, on Faydwer. They are creations of the Mighty Brell Serilis, Duke of Below.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some of my own lore:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On Povar server (EQ1), I was the first Dwarf to get the disciple symbol of Brell Serillis, which allowed a Dwarven priest (such as myself) to turn water into Beer! (huzzah!). So, what did I do? I did what ANY goodly Dwarf would do. I bought 100 water, turned it into 100 Brell's Blessed Stout (this stuff was really strong, 2 swigs got a newbie drunk, 10 got me going. heh), gathered some random gear, did a /shout </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"DRUNKEN BUTCHERBLOCK RACES! THERE WILL BE PRIZES! MEET AT KALADIM ENTRANCE!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>then invited a few GMs that I knew, and started handing out the booze. Within 15 minutes I had 5 GMs and 50 players drunk off their areses, running like mad to get to the entrance to Greater Faydark. (Actually, the GMs stationed themselves at various points through the race, to make sure noone cheated) And I gave a bunch of newbies some awsome Blackend Iron armor and a ton of crushbone belts (old EQ players will remember these items). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I held these races monthly for a year, right before I quit (played for about 4 years).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, even though there will never be any in-game lore about me; somewhere, someone remembers Drekar Ironmage and his Drunken Butcherblock Races.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Drekar 18 Cleric, Guk server</DIV> <DIV>"We will Guk you up."</DIV>

troodon311
12-10-2004, 08:34 AM
<DIV>Haha, good times.</DIV>

ganjookie
12-11-2004, 06:31 AM
I miss drunken parties in BB at the Xroads. I miss getting drunk in EQ period.

Brutalhou
12-12-2004, 05:53 AM
<DIV>In EQOA on PS2 (which took place 500 years before EQ live). The dwarves lived in Mordahim. I do not know why they changed the name. Also the orcs have been trying to burn down the forrest near Thedruk (old orc mine), Tethlin (wood elves) , Fayspire (high elves home). no half elves since humans had yet to mated with elves. </DIV> <DIV>Faydwar became about because from my understanding, The Ter D'ial (sp?) Dark Elves god (Innoruk was it? I forget) burnt out the forrest in the south (once again I can't think of the zone, Hazzinak (sp?) maybe?, and changed over the years to Desert forcing the Elves to move North.  Not exact Lore but close.</DIV> <DIV>Dwarves obviously did live in the Mountains too in EQOA. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Kamimura
12-12-2004, 08:27 AM
<DIV>They didnt change the name. The city the dwarves lived in in EQOA and EQL were two different places. Dwarves, gnomes, and elves all moved to a different continent between EQOA and EQL.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Dark Elves (Teir'Dal) were indeed created by Innoruuk, but he was not why that area turned to desert. That was due to the actions of Solusek Ro, God of the sun. The city that was buried under the sand was called Takish-Hiz. It is under the desert of Ro in EQL. This is the eventual reason that the elves left for Faydwer, a continent to the east.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Here is a link to a story from EQL about the fate of Takish-Hiz if anyone is interested. It's a pretty good read.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><A href="http://www.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2661" target=_blank>http://www.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2661</A></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>12-11-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:33 PM</span>

Brutalhou
12-13-2004, 05:53 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kamimura wrote:<BR> <DIV>They didnt change the name. The city the dwarves lived in in EQOA and EQL were two different places. Dwarves, gnomes, and elves all moved to a different continent between EQOA and EQL.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Dark Elves (Teir'Dal) were indeed created by Innoruuk, but he was not why that area turned to desert. That was due to the actions of Solusek Ro, God of the sun. The city that was buried under the sand was called Takish-Hiz. It is under the desert of Ro in EQL. This is the eventual reason that the elves left for Faydwer, a continent to the east.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Here is a link to a story from EQL about the fate of Takish-Hiz if anyone is interested. It's a pretty good read.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><A href="http://www.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2661" target=_blank>http://www.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2661</A></SPAN></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Kamimura on <SPAN class=date_text>12-11-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Nice ty. Obviously your memory serves you better than mine serves me. <BR>

Niu
12-13-2004, 06:10 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kamimura wrote:<BR> <DIV>They didnt change the name. The city the dwarves lived in in EQOA and EQL were two different places. Dwarves, gnomes, and elves all moved to a different continent between EQOA and EQL.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Dark Elves (Teir'Dal) were indeed created by Innoruuk, but he was not why that area turned to desert. That was due to the actions of Solusek Ro, God of the sun. The city that was buried under the sand was called Takish-Hiz. It is under the desert of Ro in EQL. This is the eventual reason that the elves left for Faydwer, a continent to the east.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Here is a link to a story from EQL about the fate of Takish-Hiz if anyone is interested. It's a pretty good read.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><A href="http://www.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2661" target=_blank>http://www.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2661</A></SPAN></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Kamimura on <SPAN class=date_text>12-11-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The main problem in EQI is that there's so much circuitous lore that can be misintepreted.</P> <P> Were the Dark Elves "created" or corrupted by Innoruuk? The main lore I know of is a bit post-corruption. The Dark Elves controlled an empire reaching from around HHK to Faydwer with a capital at modern Felwithe. Innoruuk was still a benevolent god (now if that's true or just an illusion), but the feral Wood Elves rebelled against this powerful empire with the assistance of the High Elves. An Elven outpost where Freeport lies now was the first battle of this civil war and Faydwer was the main battlefield. The armies were literally engaged in trench warfare until the Dark Elven emperor (name forgotten) was slain by a Wood Elf's arrow at the walls of Felwithe. </P> <P>Innoruuk (with the assumed help of Brell Serilis, although it makes his neutrality questionable) "teleports" his Dark Elves underneath the surface and retreats to modern Neriak. The High Elves rebuild the capital of Felwithe and the Wood Elves, disgusted and wary of the High Elves for rebuilding Felwithe, settle nearby in Kaladim.</P> <P>But we also have lore about Innoruuk taking the Elven emperor and his wife and corrupting them through torture into becoming Dark Elves.</P> <P>But back on topic...</P> <P>Dwarven lore mostly deals with the Ogres. Dagnor's Cauldron was the scene of many battles between the Ogre kingdom before and after they came into contact with the Trolls from Kunark. It got its name from one of the Ogrish leaders drowning (or equivalent) in the lake there. The Dwarves always have had their independence in EQ1 lore unlike the Gnomes who only got their kingdom from the High Elves relatively late in the time when these races were settling down.</P>

troodon311
12-13-2004, 01:55 PM
<DIV>Niuro, all the lore you just posted is Beta lore and is no longer legit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dark Elves were once Elddar Elves same as High Elves and Wood Elves.  Innorruuk corrupted them.  Innorruuk was never a benevolent god (he's the god of Hate for goodness' sake).  There was never a great Elvish empire on Faydwer; Elves came from Antonica (then Tunaria) and fled after Solusek Ro turned their forest into the Desert of Ro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ogres probably didn't get into a huge war with the Dwarves on Faydwer.  Ogres never lived on Faydwer.  Ogres pre-curse were based out of Antonica and there is no way in hell the Dwarves could have fought off an invasion of pre-curse Ogres (who of course would have been accompanied by other badass Rallosians).  Ogres post-curse still lived in Antonica (now in the former stronghold of Oggok.  Post-curse Ogres could have been beaten by the Dwarves but I don't see how a sizable force of them could have made it to Faydwer.  Plus the story mentions the whole War of the Broken Crown; which of course never happened :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Trolls and the whole story about Trakanon never happened; it doesn't line up with the official timeline of the Shissar, Iksar, and the Ring of Scale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't know whether or not the Gnomes got their kingdom as stated in the Edril story.  Probably not.</DIV>

Lykurg
12-13-2004, 07:08 PM
<DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3>The Dwarfs of Velious are known as Coldains after one of the Great Leaders.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3>These were normal dwarfs, but over the centuries in the ice they were changed to better handle the land.   Their skin was blueish, seemed a tad bigger then normal dwarfs and they developed their own language over the years.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3>These Dwarfs came from a fleet of Dwarven ships who got ship wreaked on Velious and were unable to repair the damange decided to build a new Dwarven homeland for themsevles.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3>Soon they realised the dangers of Velious with the Giants and Dragons and fight many battles with them no side gaining ground.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3>The Giants lived in the Stronghold known as Kael.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00 size=3>The Dragons lived in a vast place known as Skyshrine, and far off in the Western Waste there was another Dragon stronghold know as the Temple of Veeshan, who was the name of the God who creted them I believe.</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Lykurgus on <span class=date_text>12-13-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:09 PM</span>

Brutalhou
12-19-2004, 09:11 AM
<DIV>I will tell you from gaming exp on EQOA (500 years before EQ live) </DIV> <DIV>Dwarves lived in Mordahim to the west South west. through the orc tunnel of Thedruk.</DIV> <DIV>Barbarians in Halas way north, about 3-4 zones east of Permafrost.</DIV> <DIV>There were only Elves and Dark Elves, no wood elves, or high elves.</DIV> <DIV>The scouts (rouges, ranger, bards, druidic elves) live on the outpost city of Tethlin in trees. I believed according to ore it was burnt to the ground by attacking orcs.</DIV> <DIV>The Mage like elves, and priests lived in Fayspire the neighboring Elves city that was the house of magic and so forth.</DIV> <DIV>The zone was called Fayspire-Tethlin. I assume these woul eventualy be High Elves.</DIV> <DIV>Dark elves lived in Neriak which was about 5 zones north of Freeport. Freeport was were the "corrupted" Humans started of course.</DIV> <DIV>Halflings lived in Rivervale to the east of Fayspire near Kithicor forrest and Runnyeye Citadel (goblin city) </DIV> <DIV>Gnomes were from Kilk A'non. living underground. Good Humans were from Qeynos to the west of Tunaria (that was the name of the land)</DIV> <DIV>To the south of Qeynos the Erudites (sp?) lived in Highbourne, this was before the destruction and their exodus to Odus. (which was featured on EQOA: Frontiers expansion, well a sneak peek maybe. </DIV> <DIV>Trolls live in the South Eastern most part of Tunaria in the swamps of Guk, before the Frogloks showed up. I didn't have any high level Trolls, but I remember alot of your newb quests had you killing Frogloks to rid them from the swamps.</DIV> <DIV>Ogres (in the expansion) were from Oggok (South, South Westerly region) surrounded by the Rathe Mountains. </DIV> <DIV>For those who never got to play EQOA (for PS2) that is some geographical "filler".</DIV> <DIV>other zones that still existed then and now.</DIV> <DIV>Blackburrow, hella bigger that it is now is EQ2. </DIV> <DIV>Permafrost, home of Lady Voxes castle.</DIV> <DIV>There was a Plane of Sky, and I believe Cazic Thule himself lived on Isle of Dread. I never saw him and I heard the quest to fight him was broken or something, I dunno.</DIV> <DIV>I posted this to give some people an idea how things have changed 1000 years before EQ2. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

troodon311
12-19-2004, 12:17 PM
<DIV>I try to pretend EQoA doesn't exist; the idea that all the races lived on Tunaria just 500 years before EQlive doesn't seem reasonable to me.</DIV>

Brutalhou
12-20-2004, 05:47 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon311 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I try to pretend EQoA doesn't exist; the idea that all the races lived on Tunaria just 500 years before EQlive doesn't seem reasonable to me.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Kinda like all the races living in Qeynos and/or Freeport.. I can pretend too..

Kamimura
12-20-2004, 06:56 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon311 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I try to pretend EQoA doesn't exist; the idea that all the races lived on Tunaria just 500 years before EQlive doesn't seem reasonable to me.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I dont know why the Dwarves and Gnomes (though there is still a bunch of those living in Lavastorm EQL time) were there, but according to EQL all the other races should have been living on Tunaria at that time.. (Well, I dont know offically for Erudites if they hung around Tunaria for a while, but it is possable.)<BR> <p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>12-19-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:58 PM</span>

troodon311
12-20-2004, 08:53 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brutalhound wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>Kinda like all the races living in Qeynos and/or Freeport.. I can pretend too.. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds hard to do when you're playing in a game where that's the state of affairs.<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Kamimura wrote:</DIV> <P>I dont know why the Dwarves and Gnomes (though there is still a bunch of those living in Lavastorm EQL time) were there, but according to EQL all the other races should have been living on Tunaria at that time.. (Well, I dont know offically for Erudites if they hung around Tunaria for a while, but it is possable.)</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Exactly, Dwarves and Gnomes have no business being on Tunaria.  And the lore in EQlive made it sound like the elves left Tunaria some time before 500 years ago.  I mean, look at the Iksar lore.  Rile Sathir launched his invasion of Faydwer longer than 500 years ago... who was he supposed to be invading?</P>

antipyre
12-20-2004, 01:17 PM
I think I read somewhere that other elves (non playable ones) were colonizing Faedyer at the time of EQOA..../shrug theres always been some inconsistancies in Norrath lore

Faeoren
12-21-2004, 08:31 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brutalhound wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There were only Elves and Dark Elves, no wood elves, or high elves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>So at what point did the Elves change (evolve, deevolve??) into High and Wood Elves?<BR></P>

Kamimura
12-22-2004, 12:28 AM
<DIV><STRONG>Just a guess</STRONG>, but it was probably starting around that time. As far as I know, while they were in Takish-Hiz the elves were all living in one city. When they left Takish due to it being destroyed they set up in two different cities, though they were close together. By the time of EQL, the wood elves and high elves were different (though closely related) races. </DIV>

Sp
01-04-2005, 01:53 AM
From what I understand-THere isn't much difference between Wood and High Elves physically(Dark Elves aren't much different either- they're just....really bloody evil.). They just have different upbringing and philosophy. In EQOA, they were practically separated already. The Wood Elf Classes(in EQOA- Ranger, Druid, Bard, Rogue(get Warrior in EQ1 I believe) started in Tethelin. The High Elf Classes(Cleric, Magician, Wizard, Enchanter, Paladin(and the Alchemist, an EQOA only Class)), start in Fayspires. They just went under the same racial banner of "Elf".Fayspires and Tethelin are down the road from eachother...This is the light elven outpost I believe exists to keep an eye on Neriak. Faydwell and Kelethin exist already on Faydwer.Kaladhim and Ak'Anon exist already as well.Moradhim is a mining outpost for the dwarves. Several other mining outposts are in the game- Gerntar's Mines, Farstone come to mind. The Dwarves do have business on Tunaria- mining. I believe Moradhim's fate is being overrun by Gnolls. Klick'Anon seems to be the gnomes providing support to thier Elven Friends. I can't find lore on it, but I'm certain Nagafen gets pizzed off that the gnomes built a town near Lavastorm, so he destroys it.

BLOODka
01-06-2005, 09:44 AM
<DIV>Dwarves also have the bragging rights of being the OLDEST RACE ON NORRATH (other than Dragons who dont really count as a race)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

troodon311
01-06-2005, 01:55 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>Dwarves also have the bragging rights of being the OLDEST RACE ON NORRATH (other than Dragons who dont really count as a race)<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not according to the Iksar:</P> <P>"We have existed far longer than the babes that prattle about being first at this and first at that."</P> <P>Not that I believe them, but the creation story doesn't say when Cazic created the Iksar.</P>

BLOODka
01-07-2005, 09:50 AM
<DIV>Read the history of Norrath (official) and you'll learn that Veeshan saw an empty Norrath and put Dragons. Brell got jealous and put the Dwarves on the ground. Therefore before any other living races on Norrath, Dragons and Dwarves were the first.</DIV>

troodon311
01-07-2005, 02:32 PM
<DIV>I was just relaying what the Iksar have to say about it; like I said I don't believe them.</DIV>