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Simi
11-26-2004, 07:45 AM
<DIV>I just got done reading all 12 volumes of Lore provided by SOE website.  I'm still abit confused on how there are two moons.  It was assumed in EQ1 that the moon above norrath was Luclin.  Though I will say that in EQ1 Luclin was just a rock, and if it had been a hospitable place, would have looked much like planet, similar to earth.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In Volume XI of the tome of destiny the couple describes the new moon as being beautiful yatta yatta, then a distorition happens.  They exclaim "Can that be Luclin!?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, is the character saying that in the context of, "can that be happening to Luclin?" or is Luclin a moon thats not visible by terrestrial vision from Norrath's surface?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They exclaim about a distortion in the sky, now is that the distortion caused by Luclin about to explode, or is the distorition Luclin coming into view before the Shattering?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since we now have two moons in the sky, I'm assuming Luclin was hidden by a spell or something similar.  Anyone have info on this from all the EQ games there have been?  And does anybody know the name of the other satilite orbiting norrath?</DIV>

wayfaerer
11-26-2004, 07:50 AM
Drinal

Kamimura
11-26-2004, 08:06 AM
<DIV>Luclin could not be seen on Norrath in the time of EQL. It was hidden by the veil, which the Goddess Luclin put in place to hide her creations from everyone else. The moon that could be seen on Norrath in the time of EQL, and the un-shattered moon we see in EQ2 is Drinal. Drinal could not be lived on, it is much like the moon of Earth. Luclin could not be seen on Norrath until right before the shattering, when for some reason, the veil was removed. (Luclin could be seen from Plane of Air in EQL, though.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually, Norrath has a few more moons as well ive heard. They were only talked about in the first monk epic in EQL however. </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>11-25-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 PM</span>

Simi
11-26-2004, 08:28 AM
<DIV>Okay, how about this; is Luclin debri from the Erudite civil war explosion which created the Hole?  I've heard that to explain some of the Kerran landing up there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, when the combine ported to Luclin to escape Venril Saither or the Iksar's not sure which it was, anyway, was it dumb luck that they ported into the middle of a moon, and it just so happened that was an air pocket within?  Reminds me of Star Trek II when they're going to port to where the people they were following ported and Bones says, "Suppose they went nowhere?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Also I read that the Ssraeshza were once an enslaved by the Iksarian empire, and they too escape to Luclin.  Any validity to that?</FONT></DIV>

Kamimura
11-26-2004, 08:44 AM
<P align=left>No, Luclin was not created by the Erudites. The Erudites created the hole in their civil war. They blew a peice of Norrath (not as big as Luclin) to Luclin, and that chunk just happened to have the Vah shir (a tribe of Kerra) on it.</P> <P align=left>Well, they were trying to go to Luclin - but they were not trying to land in the center.</P> <P align=left>It was actually the Iksar who were slaves. They were slaves to the snake people, the Shissar. The Shissar were killed by the GreenMist (a weapon Cazic Thule uses - also used in the tome of destiny). However, some ran to Luclin. The reason there is no air in the grey (the area around where they live) is so the GreenMist could never be used against them again.</P> <P align=left>Here is a story which explains it, it is from a book which can be found in EQL.</P> <P align=left><B>This is known as the Age of the Snake. The snake race known as Shissar, slithered upon Kunark. The Iksar had yet to unite. Our people had yet to learn the Black Arts and the ways of Fist and Tail. Divided, the Iksar were enslaved by the snakes. In the centuries before the Green, the Iksar were slaves of the Shissar. They ruled from the ancient city of Chelsith which rest deep within the land now known as The Overthere. From here would sprout much evil. The Iksar were tortured like Frogs and suffered at the hands of the Shissar. The Iksar who showed genius were to help the snakes in their dark rites. These few were the seeds of rebellion. The Iksar began to plot a revolt, but a greater force would strike first.</B></P> <P align=left><B>The Shissar were an arrogant race. The power bestowed by the gods was not enough. They made pacts with other gods and demigods. They found the rifts of time and space and used them to gather magic items once held by the guardians of the planes. The Shissar's disloyalty and blasphemous pride would bring the wrath of the gods upon them. No power could stop the force to come. A green cloud formed in the skies above Kunark. The could began to descend upon the land. From it's green core, the face of death began to form. It was of no god they knew of. It opened it's giant maw and spoke in tongues unknown. From the mouth of death rushed forth a green mist. The Shissar shaman began to cast spells in hopes of shielding their city and the necromancers began to assault the mist with great weapons. All were futile. The mist rushed forth. The first snakes to be swallowed by the mist had their scales and flesh rot and fall from their bones. Horrid screams of suffering could be heard from within the mist. A river of flesh and blood flowed. The Iksar stood and gazed upon the gristle that was once the Shissar. With the Green Death came the liberation of the Iksar.</B></P> <P align=left><B>The season is now 0 A.G, After Green.</B></P> <P align=left> </P> <P align=left>-----</P> <P align=left>Also, I found the part of the monk epic people always said were talking about other moons.. but.. it sounds like these names could be almost anything?</P> <P align=left></P><U>The following is the text from the book of Immortals:<BR></U><BR><I>The immortals who can be spoken of are not the Eternal Immortals. Their Spoken names are not the eternal names. In the namelessness they are the beginning of heaven and earth. </I><I>Named they are one of the ten thousand things. Though different in title they spring from one source and appear as darkness Darkness within darkness. The gate to their mystery. The immortals do not go forth. All comes to them. They are like the ocean, the king of ten thousand streams. By staying beneath they are a receptacle for all things. They do nothing. Yet are masters of the universe. Trorsmang! Be our course of action. Anbeal! Become the Vessel to hold our virtue. Drina! Be our stability, where we can take root. Cordan! Fill our vessels and calm our ambitions. Norrath! Take our husks and breathe life into them. We beseech you! Guide us in your humility. </I><BR>  <P>Message Edited by Kamimura on <SPAN class=date_text>11-25-2004</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>10:46 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>11-25-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:46 PM</span>

FilanFyretracker
11-26-2004, 08:45 AM
the snakes enslaved the iksar. but more then one moon would explain why norrath has no tides.

Simi
11-26-2004, 09:14 AM
<DIV>Thanks for the awesome replies!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, is Charasis the remnant of this city, or perhaps just the ruins around the Overthere are the ruins of the city?</DIV>

Kamimura
11-26-2004, 09:39 AM
<DIV>No, I believe Charasis (aka Howling Stones) was built by Venril Sathir. There he practiced and perfected his necromancy. Drusella Sathir's (his old friend) spirit can still be found there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im not sure where the old ruins are..</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>11-25-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:40 PM</span>

Vyrance
11-26-2004, 11:40 PM
<DIV>charasis was accessed through the swamp of no hope in kunark.  chelsith can be seen still in the overthere by the ruins on the coast.  also norrath has 5 moons.</DIV>

Kamimura
11-26-2004, 11:53 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vyrance wrote:<BR> <DIV>charasis was accessed through the swamp of no hope in kunark.  chelsith can be seen still in the overthere by the ruins on the coast.  also norrath has 5 moons.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P></FONT></P> <P>Actually, Charasis was found in the Overthere - you had to go through the Chasm with all the Scorpiki in it to get there.</P> <P>There are no dungeons off from the Swamp of no Hope.. zones you could get to from there were Trakanon's Teeth,  East Cabilis, Field of Bone, and Firiona Vie. Though, there was also a Froglok village in the swamp, but it was not a seperate zone..  Maybe you're thinking of the Crypt of Dalnir off from Warsliks woods..?</P> <P>Edit: Also, I posted the part people were always saying was talking about the other 3 moons of Norrath, however it doesnt say it in the text.. Is there part of it that I missed/more text later that actually says they are moons? The part from the book makes it sound like it could be names of almost anything...</P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>11-26-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:55 PM</span>

Simi
11-27-2004, 06:35 AM
<DIV>I'd have to say there are only 2.  Luclin not being visible makes sense, due to Luclin being the demi-god of Shadow, and the other satillite being Drinal, similar to Earth's moon.  The three other things mentioned in the monk epic could be other aspects of Norrathian geology.</DIV>

Coniaric
11-28-2004, 09:14 AM
<DIV>There are 5 moons, all right, and each one is visible in the Plane of Sky. They are: Drinal, Luclin, Anbeal, Trorsmang, and Cordan.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Luclin exploded as of EQ2. The remaining 4 supposedly are visible in turn above Norrath. EQLive monk epic quest did mentioned those moons.</DIV>

Jaranna
12-01-2004, 03:07 AM
<DIV>Apparently, Luclin places two "veils" around her moon.  One was on the Norrath side, which kept people on the planet from seeing it.  The other was on the side of open space, to keep the other gods from seeing it.  This is why you can't see the other three moons from Norrath.  It's believed that when the veil was removed, the outer veil still remained, hiding the other three moons from view.</DIV>

Kamimura
12-01-2004, 03:53 AM
<DIV>Well, here's a question.. Ive always sort of thought that the veils only hid Luclin.. or else why can we see the sun and stars?</DIV>

Tannah
12-04-2004, 05:54 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P align=left> </P> <P align=left> </P> <P align=left></P><U>The following is the text from the book of Immortals:<BR></U><BR><I>Yet are masters of the universe. Trorsmang! Be our course of action. Anbeal! Become the Vessel to hold our virtue. Drina! Be our stability, where we can take root. Cordan! Fill our vessels and calm our ambitions. Norrath! Take our husks and breathe life into them. We beseech you! Guide us in your humility. </I><BR>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I never noticed the talk of more than 2 moons before :-p</P> <P>But now that I read it, sounds like they named their heavenly bodies, Norrath and Drinal being named.  Those others could be a name for the sun or other planets... or moons.  Interesting that soe didn't use one of these names instead of Luclin for the veiled moon.</P> <P>Tannah<BR></P>

Kamimura
12-04-2004, 10:02 AM
<DIV>The name of the sun is Ro (like the God of the sun, Solusek Ro). </DIV> <DIV>Luclin was named after the Goddess who put her creations there, and she was the one who put the veil up to keep it hidden from others. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Though yes, those could be the names of more moons, they really seem to vague to be 100% sure.</DIV>

Tannah
12-04-2004, 01:54 PM
<DIV>I am corrected, someone shot me a tell in game and told me that Luclin has always been part of the lore.   My lone soe attack was ungrounded :-p  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wonder if this means we'll be seeing more moons?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>tannah</DIV>

Ladd
02-11-2005, 07:09 PM
<DIV>Ah ok so it's called DRINAL that can be seen often in the sky. Wondered what it was called yesterday while roaming in the Commons. No one couldn't give me a proper answer. Any screenies/describtion of these other moons?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember taking this screenshot couple of years ago from CS. What is this planet called then?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.saunalahti.fi/jeeponi/eq2/whatisdat.jpg"></DIV>

Kamimura
02-11-2005, 09:00 PM
<DIV>That's Luclin. </DIV>

Dorin
02-11-2005, 10:53 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>I remember taking this screenshot couple of years ago from CS. What is this planet called then?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>That would probably be one of the other 3 moons. Luclin wasn't visible from Velious or any other part of Norrath and I don't think it had rings either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>During the months after the Shadows of Luclin expansion was announced up until it's actual release, SoE (or was it still Verant then, since SoE doesn't really seem to like the oldschool people...?) released various stories explaining it's sudden appearance as researched by Al'Kabor. He discovered that the reason we Norrathians believed the Comine Empire extinct was because no one could teleport to Luclin in hundreds of years, it's orbit of Norrath being so exaggerated that it spent a good many years out of range. They also made a point of saying that no one knew exactly how long Luclin would stay close enough to Norrath for continued travel between the two, which is why it's my theory that the gods didn't interrupt the teleportations, they simply timed their assault on the Nexus to occur at the moment Luclin moved out of range. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The gods withdrew their influence from Norrath because the mortals believed they were superior and, in their arrogance, entered the god's realms and fought with them. So my theory on the Shattering is that, in their continued arrogance over their power, the people left stranded on Luclin finally thought they could teleport the entire [Removed for Content] moon back to Norrath. Thus Luclin was moved beyond the veil and became visible, but in their over-confidence, something went horribly wrong and BOOM, no more Luclin.</DIV>

Kamimura
02-12-2005, 12:41 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dorin wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>I remember taking this screenshot couple of years ago from CS. What is this planet called then?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>That would probably be one of the other 3 moons. Luclin wasn't visible from Velious or any other part of Norrath and I don't think it had rings either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Luclin did have rings. You could see it from plane of sky, and the paper map that came with the SoL expansion shows in the lower left corner Luclin complete with rings (it details the caverns inside Luclin as well). That 'planet' is Luclin the moon. Now, at some points before SoL Luclin was visable in the Norrathian sky, along with GM events and such to give storyline to the SoL expansion. <BR> <p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>02-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:41 PM</span>

Ladd
02-12-2005, 03:17 AM
<DIV>Thank you Kamimura. Read this board a bit now and you seem to have a good knowledge of the lore <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I see you are on AB server. Mind if I catch you later and ask you more?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I somewhat got confused because I remember only seeing THIS kind of moon (not a planet I first thought it would be <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) in the Cobalt Scar. If I compare the moon I can see in the Commonlands (EQ1) and the moon seen in the picture - they are totally different.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Kamimura
02-12-2005, 10:06 AM
<DIV>Sure, I play at odd times though, so if you cant find me send me a PM. :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The moon without the rings is Drinal, thats the complete one you still see in EQ2. For the most part Luclin wasnt visable because of the veils the goddess Luclin put up to hide her work.</DIV>

salerene
02-14-2005, 10:32 AM
<DIV>So wheres was the nexus?? what moon was it on,  if any. If it was on luclin the thats why luclin blow up. I personally think that luclin did another hide and seek with luclin and we will see it some day in the furture.</DIV>

Kamimura
02-14-2005, 11:08 PM
<DIV>The Nexus was on Luclin. Yes, it's explosion might have been something to do with the Nexus, it might have been something else all together. So much time went by from when travel to Luclin was cut off and it's explosion it is hard to say for sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Coniaric
02-22-2005, 09:29 AM
<DIV>The Nexus is more of near the center within Luclin among the network of caverns and tunnels. There is a map of it somewhere.</DIV>

Maguu
02-27-2005, 12:45 PM
<DIV>Luclin blew up when Rallos Zek invaded it. there was a storyline about that in EQ1 shortly before  EQ2 went live.  In EQ1, Rallos and Sol Ro had planned to invade Norrath with Dresolik (A powerful *bomb*, it was a huge stone which was draining power from the plane of fire), which in the EQ storyline, you would, theoretically destroy it after killing Rallos Zek, but before killing Solusek himself.  This leads up to finding out in the Plane of Time (in the past) that Rallos and Solusek were planning to invade. For whatever reason, it seems at least Rallos did invade Luclin.  Maybe they no longer had Dresolik, and hoped that destroying Luclin would wipe out life on Norrath?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember msot people in EQ1 agreeing tha there were 5 moons, but the only evidence at all that I am aware of for certain is the monk quest book. I'm not personally sure about the moons visible in plane of sky, I didn't pay much attention to the sky when I was there. All I know for sure is its' right above Freeport, I think D'Lere took it over and made it into his castle ;P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Luclin, the godess, as far as I know she was very xenophobic, as were her creations, and also made her creations without consent from the other gods, or at least letting them know. I've never heard of this 2nd veil, to me it seems pointless, as it sort of assumes the gods are *out in space* when they are actually in planes, which have no *line of sight* per se to the moon or Norrath, just like Brell made kobolds and other races on Norrath without the gods knowing. The Kobold city was underground, but also kobolds go above ground, as did the dwarves, and gnomes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Going back a little ways, about Kunark and the Shissar, and the Iksar, Chelsith was in the overthere as was stated.  My suspicion is that Chelsith was later known as Charasis.  Here is an EQLive thread that has a combined history of the Iksar, as it shows Venril's time was only a few hundred years after the Greenmist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=2488&" target=_blank>http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=2488&</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Maguu
02-27-2005, 12:45 PM
<DIV>Luclin blew up when Rallos Zek invaded it. there was a storyline about that in EQ1 shortly before  EQ2 went live.  In EQ1, Rallos and Sol Ro had planned to invade Norrath with Dresolik (A powerful *bomb*, it was a huge stone which was draining power from the plane of fire), which in the EQ storyline, you would, theoretically destroy it after killing Rallos Zek, but before killing Solusek himself.  This leads up to finding out in the Plane of Time (in the past) that Rallos and Solusek were planning to invade. For whatever reason, it seems at least Rallos did invade Luclin.  Maybe they no longer had Dresolik, and hoped that destroying Luclin would wipe out life on Norrath?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember msot people in EQ1 agreeing tha there were 5 moons, but the only evidence at all that I am aware of for certain is the monk quest book. I'm not personally sure about the moons visible in plane of sky, I didn't pay much attention to the sky when I was there. All I know for sure is its' right above Freeport, I think D'Lere took it over and made it into his castle ;P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Luclin, the godess, as far as I know she was very xenophobic, as were her creations, and also made her creations without consent from the other gods, or at least letting them know. I've never heard of this 2nd veil, to me it seems pointless, as it sort of assumes the gods are *out in space* when they are actually in planes, which have no *line of sight* per se to the moon or Norrath, just like Brell made kobolds and other races on Norrath without the gods knowing. The Kobold city was underground, but also kobolds go above ground, as did the dwarves, and gnomes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Going back a little ways, about Kunark and the Shissar, and the Iksar, Chelsith was in the overthere as was stated.  My suspicion is that Chelsith was later known as Charasis.  Here is an EQLive thread that has a combined history of the Iksar, as it shows Venril's time was only a few hundred years after the Greenmist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=2488&" target=_blank>http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=2488&</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Zasarix
03-01-2005, 11:05 AM
<blockquote><hr>Kamimura wrote:It was actually the Iksar who were slaves. They were slaves to the snake people, the Shissar. The Shissar were killed by the GreenMist (a weapon Cazic Thule uses - also used in the tome of destiny). </blockquote>*rock on* Go Iksar, and go Cazic Thule! ... *the other residence of Qeynos look over at her* Uhm... Yeah, and truth and honor... all that good stuff.. *slinks away*

Choombatta
03-01-2005, 08:00 PM
<DIV>Actually, in one of the books you quest in EQ2, it explains that Luclin was destroyed by Kerafym, The Sleeper, as a message to the Dragons.</DIV>