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Gnome mercy
12-31-2004, 03:11 PM
<DIV>I always thought that sitting made no difference in health/power regen...but i've learned sitting/standing DOES help you regen health and power...I tested it myself by fighting a creature and losing lotsa health then nuke the heck outta it to kill it then stood there....I ate the same food and drank the same drink (all summoned) and health and power went up quicker when i was sitting...so buy a horse lol they might be useful if the effects of sitting still work on em...it wasnt by much..it took me 1 minute to get up to full power and health while standing and 50 seconds to get full health/power sitting...I made sure i was at same health and power by %</DIV>

Banditman
12-31-2004, 08:42 PM
<DIV>It has been proven by people far more credible that sitting has no effect on health or power regen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Instead of looking at your bar and a stop watch, try just doing some quick math as the ticks go by.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You'll see very quickly that sitting has absolutely no effect on regen of any kind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you sure you're on the right forums?  This is EQ2 . . . not EQLive.</DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-01-2005, 02:58 PM
<DIV>Yeah I am talking about EQ2....trust me same power same health and sat to full both time sitting got me up faster...I was eating and drinking summoned food and if you wish start a character on permafrost and i shall prove you wrong...it does help and now that i had actually just looked at the book...the book says the same exact thing</DIV>

Hadji
01-06-2005, 01:34 AM
<DIV><FONT size=2>There is no difference in power or health regeneration if you are sitting or standing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Here is the link in the EQ Helpdesk Forum, Newbie Yard post by Admin Moorgard:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Newbie&message.id=20932&highlight=sitting+power+regeneration#M20932" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Newbie&message.id=20932&highlight=sitting+power+regeneration#M20932</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the quote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>"Sitting or standing has no effect on the rate at which you regenerate health and power. The factors that affect regeneration rate are eating, drinking, and whether you are in combat. As long as you are not in a locked encounter, you regenerate just as fast when moving as when you are standing still.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You may have noticed an instant replenishement that happens on occasion. This is a feature of our "mini-ding" system where at each yellow bubble (10% of a level), your health and power returns to full. It's just a handy way to minimize downtime and to make your progress through each level feel more rewarding. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>"</DIV> <P>===========================<BR>Moorgard<BR>EverQuest II Community Guy</P> <P> </P> <P><FONT size=2>I hope this help you avoid sitting for no reason.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>35 Mystic - 15 Outfitter</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Neriak </FONT></P></DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-06-2005, 05:04 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hadji wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>There is no difference in power or health regeneration if you are sitting or standing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Here is the link in the EQ Helpdesk Forum, Newbie Yard post by Admin Moorgard:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Newbie&message.id=20932&highlight=sitting+power+regeneration#M20932" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Newbie&message.id=20932&highlight=sitting+power+regeneration#M20932</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the quote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>"Sitting or standing has no effect on the rate at which you regenerate health and power. The factors that affect regeneration rate are eating, drinking, and whether you are in combat. As long as you are not in a locked encounter, you regenerate just as fast when moving as when you are standing still.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You may have noticed an instant replenishement that happens on occasion. This is a feature of our "mini-ding" system where at each yellow bubble (10% of a level), your health and power returns to full. It's just a handy way to minimize downtime and to make your progress through each level feel more rewarding. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>"</DIV> <P>===========================<BR>Moorgard<BR>EverQuest II Community Guy</P> <P> </P> <P><FONT size=2>I hope this help you avoid sitting for no reason.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>35 Mystic - 15 Outfitter</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Neriak </FONT></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> really cause i just sat down and tested it myself...Again...You want ot make a fool of yourself come make a new character on permafrost server...Sitting didnt help much but it cut off a whole 10 secs at 15% power...Now if you wanna come and prove that I'm right before you post stupid stuff like this again create a char and will show you out in antonica...Trust me I wouldn't keep arguing this if i was wrong

alerka
01-06-2005, 06:19 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <P>really cause i just sat down and tested it myself...Again...You want ot make a fool of yourself come make a new character on permafrost server...Sitting didnt help much but it cut off a whole 10 secs at 15% power...Now if you wanna come and prove that I'm right before you post stupid stuff like this again create a char and will show you out in antonica...Trust me I wouldn't keep arguing this if i was wrong<BR> <HR> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Wow bro, you need to chill out. All the guy did was link a post by a dev telling you that your theory was incorrect. No reason to go all crackhead tantrum on him.</DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-06-2005, 06:29 AM
<DIV>ok first off I'm calm...second off he is saying I'm wrong when I'm not...third off I didnt say anything mean to him all i was sayin was create a character so i can slam the door in your face...ooh hey guess what...apparently more than one thing this guy says isnt true! here let me show you...you qouted him also...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>"Sitting or standing has no effect on the rate at which you regenerate health and power. The factors that affect regeneration rate are eating, drinking, and whether you are in combat. As long as you are not in a locked encounter, you regenerate just as fast when moving as when you are standing still.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You may have noticed an instant replenishement that happens on occasion. <STRONG><EM><U>This is a feature of our "mini-ding" system where at each yellow bubble (10% of a level), your health and power returns to full.</U></EM></STRONG> It's just a handy way to minimize downtime and to make your progress through each level feel more rewarding. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This second part is unture the part that is underlined...the reason why is because there is a mini ding at every 20% not 10%...Or at least I'm not recieving them every 10%</DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Gnome mercy on <span class=date_text>01-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:35 PM</span>

alerka
01-06-2005, 07:56 AM
<DIV>I havent taken the time to count the bubbles and calculate percentage. All I know is that my health and power refill whenever I fill up a yellow experience bubble.</DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-06-2005, 09:31 AM
<DIV>hrmmm...Maybe soe just screwed me over lol...</DIV>

Hadji
01-06-2005, 06:40 PM
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yes, I believe you are wrong.  I am backed up by the developers of the game and personal experience, not an unscientific timing (whose inconsistencies were addressed by the second post in this thread).  If that pushes you to another rant, go ahead it only affects perception about you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>If you wish to explain to me the difference between sitting or standing, instead of giving vague time experiences, write down how much power a tick you regen while sitting, and again when standing at what level and with what drink.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Or, build a character in Neriak and come show me, since you are the one saying you are right and everyone else is wrong.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>What you will find is not difference in power regen per tick when you are sitting, standing or moving.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>However, if you feel strong enough about it,<STRONG> YOU </STRONG>can continue sitting and gaining your power back faster than anyone else. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>As an aside, up to about a week ago the full power/health regen was occurring every 10%, since then is has happened at somewhere between 9% and 10%, which is odd.  But that was pointed out to me about level 20 and has been consistent for the past 15 levels for me and every member of my guild.  Don't know what to tell you if you aren't seeing the same thing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>35 Mystic - 16 Outfitter</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Neriak</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>

Muad`D
01-06-2005, 11:53 PM
<DIV>I'm in agreement with most that Gnome Mercy is wrong on the whole standing/sitting thing, but I am 100% positive that for the last 32 levels I have only received mini-dings at 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% etc.</DIV>

Hadji
01-07-2005, 01:27 AM
<DIV><FONT size=2>I should be able to double check the 10% or 20% 'mini-ding' tonight after the patch to see if I am experiencing what you are.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></DIV>

Banditman
01-07-2005, 01:56 AM
<DIV>Mini-dings are very inconsistent.  Sometimes it seems they are every 10%, sometimes every 20%.  I simply don't pay enough attention to it in order to decipher a pattern.</DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-07-2005, 04:35 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hadji wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>Yes, I believe you are wrong.  I am backed up by the developers of the game and personal experience, not an unscientific timing (whose inconsistencies were addressed by the second post in this thread).  If that pushes you to another rant, go ahead it only affects perception about you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>If you wish to explain to me the difference between sitting or standing, instead of giving vague time experiences, write down how much power a tick you regen while sitting, and again when standing at what level and with what drink.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Or, build a character in Neriak and come show me, since you are the one saying you are right and everyone else is wrong.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>What you will find is not difference in power regen per tick when you are sitting, standing or moving.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>However, if you feel strong enough about it,<STRONG> YOU </STRONG>can continue sitting and gaining your power back faster than anyone else. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>As an aside, up to about a week ago the full power/health regen was occurring every 10%, since then is has happened at somewhere between 9% and 10%, which is odd.  But that was pointed out to me about level 20 and has been consistent for the past 15 levels for me and every member of my guild.  Don't know what to tell you if you aren't seeing the same thing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>35 Mystic - 16 Outfitter</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Neriak</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> you believe what you wish ot believe but why should i create a char on your account when your the one who doesnt believe me...Really i dont care if you believe me or not...i just dont care...u guys might not see it but i timed it myself unless mana/health regen at random...other than that if it regenerates at a steady rate then I am correct and sitting/standing does help but like i said its not by much

Banditman
01-07-2005, 04:52 AM
<DIV>Of course, the fact that one of the developers flat out stated that sitting has no effect on power regen has absolutely no validity either.</DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-08-2005, 08:31 AM
<DIV>well then if developers said that then why is it in the book? EQ2 book not eq1...I looked over before i started playing but i never sat...now that i have tested means something...I got 2 things saying sitting does help and 1 thing saying it doesnt...WIERD</DIV>

SceaduKnig
01-08-2005, 12:33 PM
The eq2 manual that came with the came is what you're referring to? That "book" was out dated by the time the game went live. You keep mentioning timing- you timed it. Ok, how about a more granular approach that people here have asked; toss the stopwatch and actually look at the numbers per tick. Hit 'p' to bring up your paperdoll and stats window. Look at your power- and note the difference between the numbers every tick (change). Try it sitting, try it standing, try it running, dancing, flourishing, etc. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Who knows, maybe you're bugged in a positive way that grants you better regen when sitting. I've tried it on my server, Lavastorm, and its the same in any position I'm in... except face down. It never regens when i'm kissing the ground. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> come to think of it, neither does my health... and I get this red stuff on my exp bar... which tends to expand further as I add more people to the group... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Ok, now i'm just rambling. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />-Scea The stand-up Regen Mystic/Paladin/Shadowknight/Mage

Leji
01-08-2005, 09:47 PM
<DIV>Sitting used to make you regen faster. This has been changed somewhere around september and since then sitting has no effect whatsoever on your regen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why is it in the book? Because you just can't print that many books overnight and SoE are notorious to have very poor communication when it comes to such details. It's very possible that the books have been printed a month after the change and whoever were in charge of their content have never been made aware of the changes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want to perform some scientific test on this, look at how much you gain every tick over a good number of ticks and if possible in different zones. To claim that you saved a few seconds over a minute going from x % to y % ranks up there with "it feels better, so it is". You will not convice many people.</DIV>

leatia
01-08-2005, 10:01 PM
The time of the game going "Live" and the book that shipped with EQ2 made no mention of sitting/standing with increased power and health regen.The most recent User Guide update is where the new specification of sitting improving regen was made. Hypothetically speaking, let's assume there is some smallish improvement while sitting- I can only see the benefit for a mystic being between bouts while soloing, so there really is no reason not to just hit sit between solo mobs. Besides, in bear form he looks pretty cute while sitting. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />While grouped, assuming non-AE mobs, with a good piercer and bear-maul, the DPS afforded hitting from the back while leaving the MA targetted would supercede any wimpy power regen increase anyways. The whole reason why there is indirect targetting and little (or no) variance between sit/stand regen is to allow priests and healers the ability to play a more active role in group combat. I don't see SOE reversing this... so if there is some perk to sitting, I dont see anything remarkably improved from testing myself and definately DO notice the difference when I'm behind the mob mauling away.

Gnome mercy
01-10-2005, 05:45 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SceaduKnight wrote:<BR>The eq2 manual that came with the came is what you're referring to? That "book" was out dated by the time the game went live. <BR><BR>You keep mentioning timing- you timed it. Ok, how about a more granular approach that people here have asked; toss the stopwatch and actually look at the numbers per tick. Hit 'p' to bring up your paperdoll and stats window. Look at your power- and note the difference between the numbers every tick (change). Try it sitting, try it standing, try it running, dancing, flourishing, etc. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Who knows, maybe you're bugged in a positive way that grants you better regen when sitting. I've tried it on my server, Lavastorm, and its the same in any position I'm in... except face down. It never regens when i'm kissing the ground. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> come to think of it, neither does my health... and I get this red stuff on my exp bar... which tends to expand further as I add more people to the group... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Ok, now i'm just rambling. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR>-Scea<BR>The stand-up Regen Mystic/Paladin/Shadowknight/Mage<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> lol im not going BY the manual i saw it in the manual so i decided to test it out...it does help and if you dont want to believe me I dont care...you're the fools not me

Ibnalno
01-10-2005, 09:14 AM
<DIV>Gnome, you have issues. You act like this is some sort of personal crusade. Well, I, in 35 levels, have never seen a difference. Why not do like everyone has asked and post some numbers and not these times. Those bars are inaccurate and by no means exact. Look at your numbers and see how much they actually change each tick. You cannot be certain if you started from the exact same low number each time you tested sitting and standing. If you are only looking at the bars there is absolutely no way you can tell that you started at the exact same start number and thusly there is no way you can prove or even claim to prove what you are saying.</DIV>

Gnome mercy
01-10-2005, 09:53 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ibnalnoor wrote:<BR> <DIV>Gnome, you have issues. You act like this is some sort of personal crusade. Well, I, in 35 levels, have never seen a difference. Why not do like everyone has asked and post some numbers and not these times. Those bars are inaccurate and by no means exact. Look at your numbers and see how much they actually change each tick. You cannot be certain if you started from the exact same low number each time you tested sitting and standing. If you are only looking at the bars there is absolutely no way you can tell that you started at the exact same start number and thusly there is no way you can prove or even claim to prove what you are saying.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>...Well then maybe you should actually look at the bar instead posting bs that doesnt help anyone except to just hate me more for putting in the fact that i did regen faster sitting than standing...And like i said quit BS'ing this gnoem you have issues and crap like that saying stupid stuff gets yua nowhere but a place that gives you no respect..Now like i said if you really have something to say CREATE a char on permafrost and i will show u...Until then [Removed for Content] and quit talkin trash...</P>

CrazyMi
01-10-2005, 12:28 PM
<DIV>There's a lot of trash talking going on in here and you're just as guilty as they are Gnome. This thread needs to stop before it gets locked down by the devs. Gnome has posted his opinion, it's obviously not the opinion of anyone else (including me since I've done my own tests on this), so the only thing that can come of this is more senseless arguing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>CrazyMike</DIV>

Ibnalno
01-10-2005, 03:03 PM
<DIV>Gnome, you are a board troll. You just want to start fights. You said you tested twice, but you never thought to look at the actual numbers per tick. I am beginning to doubt that you tested it at all. It seems all you want to do is sit on here insulting and argueing with people. This post should not just be locked it should be deleted lest someone read it and think Gnome is correct. I have serious doubts Gnome has done any testing at all. Otherwise, why is he so resistant to posting any actual numbers? He just has to run his "test" again and stick his arrow over his health/power bar window while he sits/stands. That will give him an actual number. No, he will just come back on talking about how he is right and everyone else is wrong. The post should be locked and deleted before some poor player believes Gnome. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Ibnalnoor on <span class=date_text>01-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:05 AM</span>

BigDa
01-10-2005, 04:41 PM
<DIV>There's a recent (7th Jan) update in the News section of this site that says "<STRONG>Special Note:</STRONG> While food and drink are excellent ways to increase power and health regeneration, sitting will <STRONG>NOT</STRONG> increase power or health regeneration rates. This was changed late in beta and therefore in some places it will incorrectly state that sitting increases these pools."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?section=Headline&id=309" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?section=Headline&id=309</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now - let's give it a break, hmm? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Faarwolf
01-11-2005, 01:06 AM
<DIV>Sitting does not change the regen rate whatsoever.  Moorgard's previous post on the subject is correct.</DIV>

kerev
01-11-2005, 01:15 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR><BR> you believe what you wish ot believe but why should i create a char on your account when your the one who doesnt believe me...Really i dont care if you believe me or not...i just dont care...u guys might not see it but i timed it myself unless mana/health regen at random...other than that if it regenerates at a steady rate then I am correct and sitting/standing does help but like i said its not by much<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Why time it when you can simpy look in the persona bar and watch how the number changes each tic, then do the math and get an explicit mana regen rate? </DIV>

Banditman
01-11-2005, 01:16 AM
<DIV>*cough*owned*cough*</DIV>

Tralu
01-11-2005, 01:26 AM
<DIV>15 power a tick while sitting</DIV> <DIV>15 power a tick while standing ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and a GM posting that there is no difference ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is the gnome finally silenced?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Mystiq
01-11-2005, 01:50 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Traluur wrote:<BR> <DIV>15 power a tick while sitting</DIV> <DIV>15 power a tick while standing ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and a GM posting that there is no difference ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is the gnome finally silenced?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV>I doubt it, He probably still has a long, misguided, ill-tempered posting life ahead of him before the rest of us finally decide to ignore him completely.

Ratman666
01-11-2005, 01:51 AM
<DIV>Just did the same test on the persona page....same exact regen sitting as standing.</DIV>

SniplenButterfigs
01-11-2005, 03:02 AM
I see the all knowing gnome has finally gone silent...or maybe he's still testing.lolI Had fun reading this thread.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />"One of the fools that knew you were wrong Mighty Gnome"

SonnyA
01-11-2005, 07:54 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faarwolf wrote:<BR> <DIV>Sitting does not change the regen rate whatsoever.  Moorgard's previous post on the subject is correct.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>His post is only partial correct tho. You do not "mini-ding" on every 10% of a level. Only on every 20%.</DIV>

SniplenButterfigs
01-11-2005, 08:52 PM
Wowies..That gnome sure does have a temper.Still [Removed for Content].

Banditman
01-11-2005, 09:12 PM
<DIV>The ever popular "And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" just keeps going through my head for some reason.</DIV>

vne
01-12-2005, 03:39 AM
<DIV>"but why should i create a char on your account when your the one who doesnt believe me"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Because,  the burden of proof is the obligation of a party to establish the facts in issue in a case to the required degree of certainty (the standard of proof) in order to prove their case. They have used the Dev's as their witness (establishing limited degree of certainty I might add). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As you started the post,  the burden of proof is your's. Law, Science, etc,... the burden of proof is always the person's making the claim. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vner8</DIV>

Banditman
01-12-2005, 07:55 PM
<DIV>Ok, you said that MUCH better than I could have.  Nice.</DIV>

vne
01-12-2005, 08:38 PM
<DIV>Banditman:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks. As a scientific researcher, this has become my sole purpose in life. That and getting out of experience debt. :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vner8</DIV>

Mystiq
01-13-2005, 12:59 AM
<DIV>Well Gnome, you asked for it, so here is my solution to your dilemma.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu3.jpg"></DIV>

disru
01-13-2005, 02:43 AM
lol, you don't see this side of Eloora very often.<p>Message Edited by disrupt on <span class=date_text>01-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:45 PM</span>

MIJ
01-13-2005, 08:04 AM
<DIV>Interesting....I've been looking all over this board for someone who is actually intelligent but instead i found a bunch of n00b kids...If this guy is really wrong then why keep posting here with stupid stuff like have a big glass of [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]...Man I was looking for some decent players but i guess all i found was newbie kingdom...If this guy is really wrong then leave him be and let him live in his dream world but until then quit talknig crap about him OVER THE INTERNET...if you guys really wish to talk crap why not go to his house and say it to his face instead of hiding like cowards behind your computers...My 2 cents: GROW UP</DIV>

Ibnalno
01-13-2005, 11:19 AM
<DIV>This last post was funny. Kind of brings to mind the old saying, "People living in glass houses should not throw stones." You come on here talking about people hiding behind the internet and talking about this guy, but in your post you go about insulting everyone using the same medium. The mind boggles at the logic. The guy was wrong. He was corrected in a rather civil tone at first, then he dug his heels in and started going off on people. To ignore him would do a disservice to those who come here for honest information. In my opinion the whole thread should be deleted, since it is patently false. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You on the other hand gave me a good laugh tonight. Perhaps you should go find yourself a mirror before you go pointing fingers about the n00b kingdom and the like.  </DIV><p>Message Edited by Ibnalnoor on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:47 AM</span>

Mystiq
01-13-2005, 11:29 PM
<DIV>/agree</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hey Mijas, how about actually looking through the posts of some of the more frequent posters on this board before instead of coming here and insulting everyone on it. I guarantee you a good many of us are here to help and have done so very frequently. Also go ahead and look up Gnome Mercy while your at it....his posts since his very first one have been oh so informative and concise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My last post in this thread was a joke.  I tend to have a sense of humor on days that end with "Y". Why keep posting here? Check it out....this is a FORUM. It's the nature of the beast that people can post whenever and whatever they want (at least before it's locked), and saying people should stop posting on xyz thread does nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finally, I wouldn't go around to too many more posts suggesting that people hunt each other down to insult them IRL.... I don't think that kind of thing is abided here. Leaving frustrations related to a game "OVER THE INTERNET" on a forum <EM>over the internet </EM>seems like the logical thing to do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV>

Mystiq
01-13-2005, 11:29 PM
<DIV>DDP</DIV><p>Message Edited by Eloora on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:30 AM</span>

MIJ
01-14-2005, 04:00 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eloora wrote:<BR> <DIV>/agree</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hey Mijas, how about actually looking through the posts of some of the more frequent posters on this board before instead of coming here and insulting everyone on it. I guarantee you a good many of us are here to help and have done so very frequently. Also go ahead and look up Gnome Mercy while your at it....his posts since his very first one have been oh so informative and concise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My last post in this thread was a joke.  I tend to have a sense of humor on days that end with "Y". Why keep posting here? Check it out....this is a FORUM. It's the nature of the beast that people can post whenever and whatever they want (at least before it's locked), and saying people should stop posting on xyz thread does nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finally, I wouldn't go around to too many more posts suggesting that people hunt each other down to insult them IRL.... I don't think that kind of thing is abided here. Leaving frustrations related to a game "OVER THE INTERNET" on a forum <EM>over the internet </EM>seems like the logical thing to do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> you see you have a very good point here but it comes with yet one flaw. Just because gnome is saying something like hey did you know you can fight a way red creature without taking one point of damage doesnt mean you come back and talk trash about him. And I saw that he started it but it sounds like you guys are finishing. Last I checked thats what mods are for...If this forum truly is nothing but nonsense get a mod or gm or whoever can control this to check it out, then you report gnome as being abusive then let the mods take ti from there. If gnome is truly wrong than the mods will delete it. No need to go further.. But either way sounds good. If you got a problem with gnome just ignore him if he starts throwing his temper tantrums and starts to be abusive then you report him. Not much more you can do other than that besides make the situation worse by responding then turning the post into a flame.