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FelixDomesticus
12-15-2004, 09:42 PM
Yesterday I grouped with a group that had 21 templar and I level 22 mystic as healers. When group was up and we found a spot to exp, templar announced that since he is da healer I must do dps for the group. No objections for that came from other persons of he group. And later when he got low on mana we had to med because "healer" was low on mana (I had almost full mana at that time and more mana to begin with than templar had). Way to go...So we mystics are just supposed to flip our lousy nukes to mobs as we are not healers while true healers like the fabulous templar show how the real healing is done by the "pro"?I thought that devs said that ALL cleric classes have EQUAL healing powers????

Kalam
12-15-2004, 09:54 PM
<DIV>Well, if I ever join a group where the other healer says "I'm the healer you can do some DPS", the first I'll do is /leavegroup.  Sorry but that Templar is an idiot.  IF a group is going to have two healers, it's most efficient to have both healers sharing their power use with heals, debuffs and possibly some damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Krissi_Katfig
12-15-2004, 10:03 PM
I would never join a group that had two other healers, and I also don't group with other shamans (not really an issue I hardly see any other mystics around).That guy obviously has no idea what spells you have as a shaman.That being said, if grouped with a templar, I will generally let them cast the first heal while I haze / delusion and cast both dots, then if the tank goes yellow / orange I will ward / ritual while I meelee till the templars next reactive lands.In a good group two healers can coordinate for better efficiency (if you have enough dps in your other 4 classes).-Bri

Kalam
12-15-2004, 10:08 PM
<DIV>Oh I missed that you became the 3rd healer in the group.  Yeah 3 healers in a group starts to bring the law of diminishing returns into play.  Although I've found you can do some amazing things with 3 healers.  I was in a group that beat the boat part of the Enchanted Lands access quest with 5 players.  Tank, Scout, and 3 Healers.  It took us awhile to kill stuff but we never broke a sweat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Nnath
12-15-2004, 11:07 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Felix Domesticus wrote:<BR>Yesterday I grouped with a group that had 21 templar <FONT color=#669933>and I</FONT> level 22 mystic as healers. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I read it as him being the second healer.  As the mechanics stand, templars seem to be more efficient in most situations as the main healer when healing a high AC tank.  Having said that, I would never let a group rest because the Templar was low on power if I was near full power; its just silly of them.  While we may not be as efficient using wards and heals as the templars reactives and heals, we do just fine as the main and often only healer (at least in the 20s, not sure about higher).</P> <P>The Templar should have been coordinating with you to help balance the power/healing load to minimize downtime.  Keep in mind many people are still fairly new to the game and rather than just disband, as some have suggested, I'd try and educate them a little first.  If they still choose to be ignorant then disband or sit back, pull out a book/movie/music/web/whatever, and let them get xp for you :smileyhappy:.</FONT></P> <P><BR></P>

Lit
12-15-2004, 11:20 PM
<DIV>Even with a "main healer" (read: templar) in the group, I still ward the main tank, and anyone else I see taking damage.  I figure my mana is better spent preventing damage taken as opposed to my less powerful nukes/dots.  I think that it is mutually beneficial if both the mystic and the templar are sharing the healing responsibilities.  That way, when the situation get's hectic, we should have enough mana to evenly distribute enough healing power to take care of the entire party.</DIV>

Banditman
12-15-2004, 11:46 PM
<DIV>Actually the DoT's are pretty efficient Mana wise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure, they take some time to run, but they are very efficient in the damage per mana equation.</DIV>

blue mean
12-16-2004, 02:09 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Felix Domesticus wrote:<BR>Yesterday I grouped with a group that had 21 templar and I level 22 mystic as healers. When group was up and we found a spot to exp, templar announced that since he is da healer I must do dps for the group. No objections for that came from other persons of he group. And later when he got low on mana we had to med because "healer" was low on mana (I had almost full mana at that time and more mana to begin with than templar had). Way to go...<BR><BR>So we mystics are just supposed to flip our lousy nukes to mobs as we are not healers while true healers like the fabulous templar show how the real healing is done by the "pro"?<BR><BR>I thought that devs said that ALL cleric classes have EQUAL healing powers????<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The best advise i can give you is ignore him, let him do his healing and you focus on ward/debuffs, if you see the MT taking hits and go into orange then start healing. He may be the main healer, thats trues as shamans/mystics debuff and ward rather than heal but you still have to help keep your group alive.<BR>

Saraphi
12-16-2004, 02:45 AM
<DIV>Shamans can hold there own as healers. Next time you get  a group like that just leave. Not worth it to allow stereotypes like that to exsist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What gets my ire is when they always congrats the templar on good healing. Dont they notice the ward absorbing the damage as well? *boggle* Eventually they will get it. I hope.</DIV>

up2
12-16-2004, 03:37 AM
<DIV>Many people started a templar because they percieved it as being THE healing class.  Leaving a group because of this misconception is quite arrogant frankly.</DIV> <DIV>Also, you could easily say OK you do the "healing" and I'll ward.  Odds are you both will be nearly full mana all the time with that scenario.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ryla</DIV> <DIV>23 Templar - Oasis</DIV>

kenji
12-16-2004, 06:04 AM
<DIV>well, Templer is the main healer in this situation...i am a 25 mystic, if there is templer in group, i wont act as main healer. in my concept, our special heals sux, theirs better (if main tank is a Guardian, not a Monk..). but Mystic got many things to do, Delusion / Weakness / Keening Wails, then Cold Fire, Contagon, Maul. it's our way to do DPS and most mana saving and effective. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Stang
12-16-2004, 06:05 AM
<DIV>In a situation where I find myself grouped with a cleric, I usually relinquish healing duties to the cleric.  My reason being, the group would be more effective in felling mobs when the team is coordinated.  I take the role of a back-up healer and concentrate mainly on debuffing and DoTing the enemy.  Warding is a habit I usually find myself falling back to also.  As soon as I see the main tank's health falling halfway, I immediately cast Spectral Ward to help the main healer catch up on heals.  I do take the back-up heal duty seriously mind you for I haven't encountered a cleric that never required help on their healing routine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It has been said that ALL priest classes is equally capable of doing their own thing when it comes to healing.  As a Mystic, I do agree to this to some extent :smileywink:.  In my 23 levels of experience of being a Mystic, chain-warding or not :smileytongue:, power management and knowing when to cast the appropriate spell is the key to a successful XP group :smileyhappy:.      </DIV>

FelixDomesticus
12-16-2004, 09:35 AM
Just to prevent misunderstandings: we had total of 2 healers in group, not 3. And what I did not say in the first post was that templar actualy forbid me to cast heals, since he is the healer. Well, I must say that it was not the best group I had. Group leader had yell set to leader only, which he of course forgot when we got bad pull and tank died killing additional 2 group members since we could not run properly due to missing yell.I had bad luck finding groups that day otherwise I would though much more if I should stay or not.But is it really so that due to our sucking wards we are not considered to be main healers?

Kryogen
12-16-2004, 11:58 AM
<DIV>I am no expert yet so if anyone has anything to change about this then thats fine <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  But i have grouped with some 19ish players when i was 13 and such and we would pull some group mobs and such and i could hold my own healing wise.  I personally think that it all depends on how you heal.  I like the wards, i do feel that they are a bit underpowered, but i do think that they can work effectivly in healing if you do it right.  In the average group i will try and slow and dot and then i just keep hitting the tank with wards...and as soon as i see the effect fade i hit another on him...it works very well for me personally...i havnt had any experience on boss mobs or the higher end stuff but from my experiences i heal very well...i dont know about the acctual comparison to that of a templar or druids...but all i know is that i can heal effectivly atleast imho..and also i find that i am having a blast playing my shammy and sure templars may be a rung up on the ladder in heals...but just stick to it and you will see that eventually when u become better and such people will see that and respect you more as a healer.  I think its less about what spells you get but more about how you impliment them in combat <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                                                                       </DIV>

BigDa
12-16-2004, 03:16 PM
<DIV>A group with two mystics might tempt me to allocate one 'healer' and one 'utility/nuke', but otherwise no.  A templar telling me not to use my wards and heals would get a very short and pointed reply which would come down to "don't be stupid".  Mystics (and druids) compliment templar heals perfectly.  There is SO much more you can take on with the two in a group.  I regularly work with a druid - she does HoTs, I do wards and we both fill in instant heals as required.  With her helping heal I can keep real good control over Debuffs and DoTs and the monsters fall thick and fast with much less risk of nastiness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"All we can do?"?  There's very little a Mystic cannot do.  I can solo green^^.  I have good damage mitigation, I do ok nukes (if you make good use of HOs), I do good DoTs, I do ok heals.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any templar who tried to 'diss' me would get a hard time and an object lesson in return.</DIV>

Po
12-16-2004, 03:42 PM
<DIV>Tell that guy, to #1) Go get his head surigcally removed from his [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. #2) Shamans are great healers and priest in this game in my opinion were build to be main healers for almost any group, i find the most effiecient groups bieng bard / troub / mystic / berserker / enchanter + wiz or w/e depending on if your ae'ing...if you know how to play your class and someone tells you otherwise tell them what's happening...if there oblivious leave the group theres no reason to deal with people like that ;O</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Yours' truly, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Poac Meeeee ( Ne Plus Ultra ) The #1 mystic on guk .</DIV>

Kalam
12-16-2004, 10:05 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> up2l8 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Many people started a templar because they percieved it as being THE healing class.  Leaving a group because of this misconception is quite arrogant frankly.</DIV> <DIV>Also, you could easily say OK you do the "healing" and I'll ward.  Odds are you both will be nearly full mana all the time with that scenario.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ryla</DIV> <DIV>23 Templar - Oasis</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Sorry but it's not misconception, it's ignorance.</P> <P> </P>

ogg
12-16-2004, 10:06 PM
<blockquote><hr>Felix Domesticus wrote:Yesterday I grouped with a group that had 21 templar and I level 22 mystic as healers. When group was up and we found a spot to exp, templar announced that since he is da healer I must do dps for the group. No objections for that came from other persons of he group. And later when he got low on mana we had to med because "healer" was low on mana (I had almost full mana at that time and more mana to begin with than templar had). Way to go...So we mystics are just supposed to flip our lousy nukes to mobs as we are not healers while true healers like the fabulous templar show how the real healing is done by the "pro"?I thought that devs said that ALL cleric classes have EQUAL healing powers????<hr></blockquote>You allowed yourself to be demoted from a primary healing role. You ask if we are secondary healers because your group didn't have an objection to the templar primary healing.I would ask a different question - do *you* find that you are a second rate healer?<blockquote><hr>Kalamos wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>up2l8 wrote:<BR><DIV>Many people started a templar because they percieved it as being THE healing class. Leaving a group because of this misconception is quite arrogant frankly.</DIV><DIV>Also, you could easily say OK you do the "healing" and I'll ward. Odds are you both will be nearly full mana all the time with that scenario.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Ryla</DIV><DIV>23 Templar - Oasis</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P>Sorry but it's not misconception, it's ignorance.</P><P> </P><hr></blockquote>Ignorance leads to misconceptions. Some people chose templars based on the similarity to EQ1 clerics, which were the best healers for that game, thinking that they would be the best healers. Those people were ignorant of how the priest archtype was designed in EQ2, namely so that the three priest classes can all heal about the same. Their ignorance led them to the misconception that templars heal better than shaman.<p>Message Edited by oggin on <span class=date_text>12-16-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:11 AM</span>

Karla
12-17-2004, 02:13 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Felix Domesticus wrote:<BR>Just to prevent misunderstandings: we had total of 2 healers in group, not 3. And what I did not say in the first post was that templar actualy forbid me to cast heals, since he is the healer. Well, I must say that it was not the best group I had. Group leader had yell set to leader only, which he of course forgot when we got bad pull and tank died killing additional 2 group members since we could not run properly due to missing yell.<BR><BR>I had bad luck finding groups that day otherwise I would though much more if I should stay or not.<BR><BR>But is it really so that due to our sucking wards we are not considered to be main healers?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I would of left the group.  The templar is a [Removed for Content], but you could of done wards and what not also.  I have ot admit when i group with another healing class ill stick to wards while the other casting healing spells.

stewi
12-17-2004, 02:11 PM
<DIV>The biggest problem is the difference between avoidance and mitigation tankers. If i am in a group with a mitigation tank and there is a cleric there, even if lower level(within reason obviously) i willingly take the secondary healer postion in the group and primarily dot/debuff. Not because i'm not a good healer, but because with the way the game is programmed, the clerics reactives and even to a certain extent the druids HoTs are better suited for the job. sadly mitigation tankers greatly outnumber our beloved monks and bruisers, and its with those that our wards truly shine. Everybody is under the greatly mistaken impression that mitigaters = tank and avoiders = dps, which is simply not true. i've even been in groups with brawlers that have REFUSED to tank, stating flatly that they are DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unfortunately what this means is that the tanks that we were designed to be the most efficient in healing are less numerous ( and occasionally refuse to tank if a "proper" tank is in the group), and the majority of tanks you will find are mitigators. We are not the best at healing these tanks, even though we still can do a very passable job at it, so the opinion will continue that we are not the best healers, and in most groups, that is correct. We arent. A group with a cleric and shaman together with a mitigation tanker, yes, the cleric should be the primary healer. They dont even have to broach the subject with me, i simply understand this. i sit back and dot/debuff and compliment his reactives with wards, slapping on an instant occasionally. Now if he is a bad healer, then i will simply take over the duties, but this is rare, and most groups i've been in with a cleric have functioned extremely well with this setup. I've tried it the other way and it really just does not work as well. Its not very noticable in the short run but after a while everyone gets the feeling combat is going slow.</DIV>

Selnar
12-17-2004, 08:47 PM
<DIV>When i find ignorance like this i say 1 of 2 things normally.  1) you play your class and ill play mine.  2) this isnt EQ1 learn the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Normally when i play with ANY other healer type i go 2ndary healer specifically becuz i can throw on my 4 debuffs, and ward and cut the mobs damage down accordingly.  If i have to heal np at 28, healing ritual hits for around 444 i thin not too bad, and totemic ritual i think around 250 both are Adept1.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my 2c</DIV>

Cef
12-20-2004, 04:00 AM
<DIV>I am a templar (lvl 31) and i love a second healer in the team. If i team with a mystic (or whatever healingclass), I see him as another main healer with equal healpowers. Actually, it is a fact for me that all priestclasses heal equally. </DIV> <DIV>Sometimes, it seems that the wards are doing better, but other times it seems that the reactives are doing better; this difference is mostly caused by the 'level' of the spells a character has (there is a whole 'world' between app I and master III).</DIV> <DIV>My experience with mystics is that, the reactive heal waits, untill the ward runs out. I never had an experience where i felt that Mystic X heals better then Templar Y, or vice versa. </DIV> <DIV>Just play the game; have some fun :smileyhappy: and don't worry too much about other person (a templar, in this case). He was wrong (in my opinion) and u can just say that u got another opinion. Personally i always listen to other people when they ask me to do a certain heal tactic. The next move is to do the things people ask (i mostly don't :smileyhappy: if things are going well).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cefir</DIV>

Dreven88
12-20-2004, 05:58 PM
Wow no one seems to get it :pTemplar / Mystic Combo:-Mystic Chain Casts single dmg wards on the MT. -Leakage dmg gets picked up by the templar heals-Mystic Casts debuffs & DoT's inbetween dmg wards--Side effect to Mystic Debuffs (which are slowing debuffs mainly) is that mobs attack slower taking more heat off the healing needs of the MT.-If the Templar/Druid gets behind on the healing and/or the Wards collapse quickly from specials the Mystic can/will cast single target heals to back up the TemplaerThe best XP groups have two healers, and the best two healer combo is a Templar/Druid combined with a Mystic/Defiler.Usually only MT's really see what the wards are doing because of the dmg absorbtion msgs, which is where the misconceptions come from. A mystic can actually create the illusion (via wards) that less healing is required than actually it.I've been in a group that thought I wasn't doing much healing wise and watched laughing as a left and the whole group wiped when a Templar couldn't keep up with the healing needs of the MT. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I think by the mid 20's a majority of players start to understand the benifits of having a Mystic in a group.

Nahlis
12-20-2004, 07:37 PM
<DIV>I group with a Cleric quit often and I've found that neither of us have a clear advantage when working seperately (we've specifically done this to test healer class balance) but together we are able to keep the MT healed, cast our debuffs and DoT's, etc. and both of us still have more than half power at the end of any given fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The idea of having a group with 2 healers, any 2 healers, and trying to forbd one of them to heal is just ludicrous.  That Templar needs to head back to the IoR and learn a bit about effective group dynamics before he causes too many group wipes with his ignorance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree with others... you should have explained his blatant idiocy and then left the group.</DIV>

JPete
12-20-2004, 07:52 PM
<DIV>You must have been grouped with a noob, or they were just plain arragant.  Mystic and templar work well togeather, and their spells compliment each other well.  I would have casted my wards anyway along with my debuffs, I don't think the MT is going to complain.  And since you were not healing anyway, the mobs must not have been too tough, if the templar didn't like it, they could have left.  Group still has a healer.  For the templar to disregard you like that is hurtful to the group and selfish.  And so far, a lot of ppl are saying that 2 healers in a group is a must for tough encounters.  So I would guess that templar will get educated sooner or later. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are here to compliment each other, not to compete.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lostbear</DIV>

FelixDomesticus
12-21-2004, 01:14 AM
Well, like I said I had problems getting group that day. Usually I get group quite fast (healers seem to be in great demand for some reason).It seems that it was only group with other healer I would classify as an idiot. It is nice to see that other healers can co-operate in healing and get the job done. If I get another such group with n00b templar I will for sure tell him/her few facts about how healing works in Eq2.

salerene
12-21-2004, 10:36 AM
<DIV>I've had a few templars thank me for warding them. Specially when they are getting pounded on. If theres a druid or templar in group I'll ward them second after the tank. Its just something I've gotten use to. I know a templar is a better healer. Without wards I'd be out of power before the mob is in the red.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just watch everyones HP. Its an old habit, since I played an cleric in EQ1 I jsut got use to watching  it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also whats with people running lately. Had a group today and as soon as 1 person droped or we got more the 4 mobs on us everyone ran. I guess thats one thing thats the same about EQ1 and EQ2. We were fight some white and yellow grouped mobs.</DIV>

Dannan
12-21-2004, 12:53 PM
<DIV>When you have 2 healers in a group you allways have to keep in mind what the other priest is cappable of.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>when you have 2 of the same type healer you have to establish right off who does what scince 2 of the same type healer dont stack all that well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If the other priest is a druid (warden, fury) you dont have to worry... none of the Druid spells will step on either a cleric (templar, inquisitor), or shaman (mystic, defiler), but if a cleric or shaman group you have to decide which is more important their reactive heals or your wards, because your wards will prevent their reactive heals from working (while the ward is active)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now as with that templar he is a TOTAL NOOB!  I play a 23 Defiler and group with inquisitors all the time, I usually refrain from using wards because at this level i feel that the inquisitors reactive heals are more suited (meaning useful) for what we are fighting... that said however my instant heals are just as good as any the inquisitor gets and after debuffing and dotting what we are fighting i am topping off our party with my instants just as they are with theirs. and if both of you are working as a team your power pool and theirs should be roughly equal at the end of the fight, if it isn't your group is not working to its full potential.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>oh and if you ever get in that situation again and you ever start getting a feeling that this [Removed for Content] is going lead to several party wipeouts for  no good reason do your party a favor by faking an emergency, (guild or otherwise) and get out of there.</DIV>

Lored
12-21-2004, 07:26 PM
<DIV>At level 21 I can play as the sole healer for a group, I did so last night without any problems or complaints. I have to admit, at this level I rarely use the wards. I do not find them an effective use of mana. As someone said earlier, if the tank has a high AC wards are pointless, if they use agility to tank then perhaps the ward is a viable option. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I've had a cleric in the group I do step aside as main healer, but not because of my class, more to do with being idle :smileyhappy: I have absoloutley no doubt in my mind that a mystic is less of a healer than any other priest class, the groups I have been in never complained.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One final thing, breath of spirits rocks! When the main tank does not manage to hold aggro, it's a life saver. Also phantasm (The fear, aggro reduce spell) has saved my group on more than one occasion.</DIV>

Banditman
12-21-2004, 08:16 PM
<DIV>I work regularly in a group with a Templar and we do rather well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, you have to think about it some, but I don't think there is a problem.  My Slows / Debuffs are extremely helpful.  If the MT is getting low I can Ward the tank to give the Templar time for their reactive to cycle back up.  I can Ward the odd party member who accidentally gets aggro and save their bacon until the MT can re-aquire aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I could certainly MH for a group, but I find that 2 Priests in a group is far more efficient.  My "standard" group consists of 2 Priests, 2 Scouts, 2 Fighters (prefer one to be Plate class and the other to be Brawler class).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Keneli
12-27-2004, 02:46 PM
<P>Clerics are best paired with heavy armor wearers (Guardians, Paladins, SKs, etc).  These tank types soak up the damage and take the hits, therefore requiring reactive heals.</FONT></P> <P>Shamans are best paired with Monks - monks avoid damage constantly, therefore the ward is more effective.  Since the monk's form of tanking is to NOT get hit, then there is no point in having a reactive heal on him.</FONT></P> <P></FONT> </P> <P>IMHO - All priests do their job just as well as any other: they keep the group alive.  True effectiveness all depends on the make-up of classes in your group.</FONT></P>

FelixDomesticus
12-27-2004, 09:20 PM
<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:<DIV>I work regularly in a group with a Templar and we do rather well.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Yes, you have to think about it some, but I don't think there is a problem.  My Slows / Debuffs are extremely helpful.  If the MT is getting low I can Ward the tank to give the Templar time for their reactive to cycle back up.  I can Ward the odd party member who accidentally gets aggro and save their bacon until the MT can re-aquire aggro.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I could certainly MH for a group, but I find that 2 Priests in a group is far more efficient.  My "standard" group consists of 2 Priests, 2 Scouts, 2 Fighters (prefer one to be Plate class and the other to be Brawler class).</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>And if you do not have that second healer? Just you, the rest of the group and the mob you are beating? I can keep the group going unless we get adds (they cause serious mana probs), but I use mana much faster than other healing classes due to fact that wards are more or less one round obstacles for most mobs.I debuff all mobs, but I do not like that. Eq1 showed very well that balancing healer with debuffs is very, very bad idea. Just check how much eq1 shamans suffered because of slow. Slow doomed whole class. I had level 66 shaman and I can tell that I was not amused when groups asked for fo7 and then took beastlord instead of shaman. All because debuffs that shaman had. I quit eq1 when I spent 2/3 of my time lfg because I had best debuffs in the game...Healers should be balanced with healing abilities (includes wards for mystics), not with debuffs.BTW. Are you same banditman who tried so hard to get that cut & paste list into reality as fixes to shaman class in eq1? Too bad that SOE decided to forget all shaman players in eq1.

Banditman
12-27-2004, 11:26 PM
<DIV>I main healed a group in Varsoons as a L26 Mystic.  Everything went well until we got in way over our heads (multiple orange double ups).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The two healer thing is for the " OH (*@# " situations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All I'm saying is don't sell yourself short.</DIV>