Which class is now best healer in EQ2?

[Corsa]

I'm starting a new character. My 21 warden no longer heals the way she used to and I am going to reroll a new character. Question is, what do I create? I have always played the Druid class in games because I like having the power to heal. Now, wardens are complaining and so are Templars. So honest opinion: Which class is now the best healer class in EQ2?

[Danid]

there is no class that is best at healing just a bunch of classes that each are best in an area of healing. <div></div>

[Somniloquy]

<DIV>I dont really understand the ppl moaning all the time.  Its like "I wanna be able to beat everything up instantly NOW its not fair waaaahhh !" Getting to look like the WoW forums.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wardens moan cos of not enough Burst heal.  But surely they read up on the classes before choosing the obviously HoT Druid and then the Heal/Buff weighted Warden.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing i have noticed and have played several healer classes at least to level 25 or so is that actually they all heal pretty much the same , just in different ways.  With Warden and Fury I find that the Start of the battle and when something adds is the toughest part, but once I get on top then things run smoothly.  One thing that Warden gets that I dont see a lot of elsewhere is the ability to absolutley pile on every HoT every Burst every Burst+HoT and the AE heals and not get minced thanks to the hate reducers.  Wisp is a stunning spell since the update, over 600 hate reduction is not to be sniffed at.  I like playing Warden more than any other healing class, despite the difficulties cos I see the other healers having problems all of their own.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However I must point out that, if you are exping on yellow heroics with three up arrows and the like then really you need two healers cos there are gonne be adds at some point in most zones, there is no sweet spot in most places.  two healers of any type can  handle just about anything in the single group situation and its always good to hit the perfect balance of heals dps and tank/off tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other healer I bother with much is my Dark Elf Inquisitor but thats a different kinda game althogether and I dont find it any easier or harder than with my beloved Warden.</DIV>

[Sorano]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Somniloquy wrote:<BR> <DIV>I dont really understand the ppl moaning all the time.  Its like "I wanna be able to beat everything up instantly NOW its not fair waaaahhh !" Getting to look like the WoW forums.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wardens moan cos of not enough Burst heal.  But surely they read up on the classes before choosing the obviously HoT Druid and then the Heal/Buff weighted Warden.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing i have noticed and have played several healer classes at least to level 25 or so is that actually they all heal pretty much the same , just in different ways.  With Warden and Fury I find that the Start of the battle and when something adds is the toughest part, but once I get on top then things run smoothly.  One thing that Warden gets that I dont see a lot of elsewhere is the ability to absolutley pile on every HoT every Burst every Burst+HoT and the AE heals and not get minced thanks to the hate reducers.  Wisp is a stunning spell since the update, over 600 hate reduction is not to be sniffed at.  I like playing Warden more than any other healing class, despite the difficulties cos I see the other healers having problems all of their own.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However I must point out that, if you are exping on yellow heroics with three up arrows and the like then really you need two healers cos there are gonne be adds at some point in most zones, there is no sweet spot in most places.  two healers of any type can  handle just about anything in the single group situation and its always good to hit the perfect balance of heals dps and tank/off tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other healer I bother with much is my Dark Elf Inquisitor but thats a different kinda game althogether and I dont find it any easier or harder than with my beloved Warden.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Not to knock your opinion or anything, but what level have you played your warden too? Have you been out in DoF, to some of the dungeons and played in a full group of 6? I have and I can tell you now that wardens are second class healers. We just cannot cope with spike damage, and yes the mobs still do hit hard. Wardens do ok as long as we are fighting just one mob, and we pay full attention from start to finish. There is no room for error anymore, so if you look away for one second while healing, it's likely your tank will die, unless you have a second healer in your group. Wardens however really start to run into trouble when there are adds, or you are fighting a mob that gets your tank in the orange on a pull. We have no way to deal with that situation. Take the 1.5 seconds to cast SW on whoever was added on is like trying to put out a fire with a teaspoon of water. It makes no difference and they will die anyay. Of course since you stopped healing the MT to cast that, it's likely his hps are now in the orange, and since you no longer have SW up you have to cast VR. Oops a 3 sec cast is too long and bam your tank is dead. Of course you could choose to cast Chlorostorm when you get an add. That may buy you a few seconds but it's a gamble since it is very likely that whoever got added on will be dead by the time you get Chlorostorm off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A warden has to make sure that nobody in the group ever drops below the yellow, because once they do we will have a very hard time saving them. This is not something other healers suffer from since their DHs can cope with spike damage. It is a very hard pill to swallow, since we have gone from having the best DH's to having nonexistent ones, and this has resulted in us becoming second rate healers. I really hope Lockeye is keeping an eye on what is happening, because changes need to be made or wardens are going to become extinct. We need the inital heal tick on our DHs to be made bigger and the HoT ticks changed to something like 100hps a second over 3 seconds for SW and 6 for VR. That will compress our healing into a shorter space of time, so we have more breathing space. DoF is a fun new zone to be in, but you know what I don't find myself rushing to log into the game anymore. Nobody wants to play class that is second best.</DIV>

[Uzu]

@corsairBest healer class is now the inquisitor - simply because he have now the strongest direct heals. That's fact, believe me, regardless what others say. Strong direct heals are the key to keep the MT alive in difficult raids.If You never want to raid then maybe another class is better - but there are only two ways to go: You become a raider earlier or later or You quit the game earlier or later.In retrospect I think that there are too much healer subclasses in EQ2. There are 6 but I think 3 are enough:Templar with his reactive heals, warden with his direct heals and fury as a mage/healer-hybrid.Wardens and templars was the perfect duo for raids, furys was more for the casual non raiding players - there was not really a need for 3 more healer subclasses.Because of this most players who was interested to be healers had choosen templar or warden. To remove this imbalance the SOE devs has decided to brutal nerf templars and wardens.They have broken my warden-pride and they will pay for it.Not now because EQ2 is still the best MMORPG for me - they will pay for it when Vanguard will be released. My whole guild have decided to change at this point of time. And not only my guild will do that - all other raiding guilds will do the same, that's for sure.

[Maldach]

The simple fact is that no one healer can do it all now. If your group is going for serious exp and tackling higher level mobs, you need two healers.

[Maelakai]

<P>I have to agree here.  If you are going after ^^^ yellow and orange mobs you want to have 2 healers.  If you are going after high orange ^^^'s you almost want 3.</P> <P>You need the extra healage to keep up... and don't even get me started on epics <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Jasimo]

They have broken my warden-pride and they will pay for it.<BR>Not now because EQ2 is still the best MMORPG for me - they will pay for it when Vanguard will be released. My whole guild have decided to change at this point of time. And not only my guild will do that - all other raiding guilds will do the same, that's for sure. <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P>Uzuhl - Vanguards looks [Removed for Content] :smileyvery-happy:  </P> <P>As for the changes you guys are experiencing as wardens, I'm sorry if you guys got nerfed (dependant upon opinion it seems).  I am a 52 Defiler and I have no trouble being the only healer in our groups.  Generally group with guardian or sk, necro, coercer, assasin, and warlock; all of whom have high potential of grabbing aggro :smileywink:  Only a few times have I not been able to keep us all alive and that is in extreme cases of multiple adds.  I am able to be MH in the Shimmering Citadel, Poet's Palace, Living Tombs, Silent City, and Pillars of Flames (as these are the only zones i really xp in).  The only time my group needs a 2nd healer is if we are fighting Epic X2 mobs in Silent City.  We fight eithery yellow and orange ^^^ heriocs or we pull 2-4 groups of yellow and orange heroics at one time (guadian as tank) without mezzing and I am still able to keep my group up.  We wiped only once because the MT accidentally pulled a couple of groups and one of em had a Named...oops hehe.  When fighting the Epic X2 in Silent City it was me and a Fury and we were able to keep the MT (SK) up with no trouble.  But like ppl have said b4, it really depends on what type of healer u want to be.  As wardens get HoT's, defilers do not.  We rely on direct healing, warding and debuffing.  Direct heals are long cast and recast time unlike Inquisitors who get fastest cast and recast timers but they don't heal for as much, but can heal faster =)  So each healing class is important, just depends on your play style which healer is best for you.  I would suggest reading the forums for the other healing classes (if you haven't already) and get a feel for what they do and how they like it.  Hope that helps get some perspective from a non - warden healing class :smileyhappy:  Personally i love druids, i kinda wish i would of made one when i first started, but shh....keep that between us.  I love my defiler now tho after DoF (hated b4 lol).  Hope that helps!</P> <P>52 Defiler</P> <P>Message Edited by Jasimora on <SPAN class=date_text>09-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:09 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Jasimora on <SPAN class=date_text>09-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:13 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Jasimora on <span class=date_text>09-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 AM</span>

[Saben01]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generally group with guardian or sk, necro, coercer, assasin, and warlock; all of whom have high potential of grabbing aggro <img src="../../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" border="0" height="16" width="16"> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You do realize that a necro can now heal for 750 right ? You aren't alone healing , I'm sure the necro is helping out when needed. This sounds like a quote from another healer on another forum stating that he can heal just fine alone, and had a Pal as tank and a necro in his group, both of which can heal along with the healer in the group to relive the pressure of having to do it alone. We do have problems with spike healing, and hopefully at some point that will be fixed. I'm actually hoping at level 54 when I can pick my regen at master 2 and be able to regen over 200 a tick that will fix the problem, but what about the people that are way below level 54 and have to struggle with this type of damage. Relica Sazon 53 Gnome Warden of Befallen Member of Shadowed Strife <div></div>

[Mor]

I know our mystic can do an amazing job as a single healer, so it might be very well be possible for a defiler to do the same.  <div></div>

[Dragonreal]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saben01 wrote:<BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Generally group with guardian or sk, necro, coercer, assasin, and warlock; all of whom have high potential of grabbing aggro <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" width=16 border=0> <BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>You do realize that a necro can now heal for 750 right ? You aren't alone healing , I'm sure the necro is helping out when needed. This sounds like a quote from another healer on another forum stating that he can heal just fine alone, and had a Pal as tank and a necro in his group, both of which can heal along with the healer in the group to relive the pressure of having to do it alone.<BR><BR>We do have problems with spike healing, and hopefully at some point that will be fixed. I'm actually hoping at level 54 when I can pick my regen at master 2 and be able to regen over 200 a tick that will fix the problem, but what about the people that are way below level 54 and have to struggle with this type of damage.<BR><BR>Relica Sazon<BR>53 Gnome Warden of Befallen<BR>Member of Shadowed Strife<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Also Sks get some kiind of heal too... they all callin' it a reactive so I guess that's what it is

[shirpa]

<span><blockquote><hr>Maldach wrote:The simple fact is that no one healer can do it all now. If your group is going for serious exp and tackling higher level mobs, you need two healers. <div></div><hr></blockquote>As a warden, what's the point of being a healer (back-up or primary) in a group when our HoTs don't stack with the other healers...or even with our own HoTs?</span><div></div>

[Jasimo]

Yes I do know necro's get a heal now, and I don't always group with a necro....that is just a group that i'm in alot.  But even so, when not grouped with a necro I am still able to heal by myself.  We 3 man alot in PoF, LT, and SC.  So single healing for defilers isn't a big issue.  It can be in certain situations of course, but a second healer is not usually necessary.  Anyway, I think we all know that alot of things are not even right now, not just with healers either.  Hopefully in the next LU some of these issues will be fixed. <div></div>

[xenocyst]

I am a warden, I still solo heal quite well. I simply no longer solo heal like I used to. <div></div>

[Somniloquy]

The best healing classes are Templar, Inquisitor, Mystic and Defiler.  Temp and Inq have a slight edge on the others.  They all outclass the druid subs now. 

[rainydayman0]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shirpa wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maldach wrote:<BR>The simple fact is that no one healer can do it all now. If your group is going for serious exp and tackling higher level mobs, you need two healers. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>As a warden, what's the point of being a healer (back-up or primary) in a group when our HoTs don't stack with the other healers...or even with our own HoTs?<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i think our hots do stack now btw, last night i got 3 or 4 ticks going on the tank, its was really cool to watch...

[3cho]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rainydayman010 wrote:<BR>i think our hots do stack now btw, last night i got 3 or 4 ticks going on the tank, its was really cool to watch... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Our heals always stacked with each other (each line).  There was a seperate issue brought up regarding two wardens in the same group.  Their heals were not stacking (I cast SW DH+regen) then the other warden casts SW but the regen portion of the second cast overwrites the first.  I have not experienced it first hand, but I understand folks are trying to bring it to the attention of the Devs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yup, it's cool to watch the ticks from all the lines fly by.  Hard to keep it going sometimes (burns up power to have to keep re-caqst the group HoT), but sometimes it's necessary.</DIV>

[Gerrie]

there is no best healer class, all healers do a fine job atm and the only class that sais they dont are some of the warden, allthough not even all the wardens say so.Furys surely dont heal worse then Templars and Templars dont heal worse then Inquisitors and Inquisitors dont heal worse then Templars and shamans seem to do fine also.And i m likely to add "Enchanter" to the healer classes as they got a 12second stun, 12 seconds is enough for most heroic encounter in a nice group isnt it? Along with continious stiffle and strong powerregens.<p>Message Edited by Gerrie on <span class=date_text>09-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:38 AM</span>

[Tuved2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gerrie wrote:<BR>there is no best healer class, all healers do a fine job atm <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Don't be ridiculous.</DIV>

[KageMirai]

<DIV>I have found that I can heal avoidance tanks better after the revamp.  Also I duo with a brigand constantly and find that I have little to no problem keeping him up.  It's just a matter of relearning how to heal.  It's nice to pile on the heals, lose very little power, then sit back and watch the scroll of green numbers above his head as he's being healed.  I can't bring someone back up from red really anymore like I used to be able to but as long as I keep someone in the green, even if I have to over heal a little so the regens will go off, then I don't have a problem.  There is no real best healing class.  The group I run with usually consists of a Monk, Templar, Brigand, and then me.  We haven't had a problem taking on most mobs with just the four of us.  I think people are complaining because we can't deal with the damage spikes like we used to be able to so when someone gets down to red if we're solo healing there's going to be a problem.  Perhaps if the initial part of our heals were bigger it would be better, having them cut in half and then being forced to adapt is hard and I'm just now fully getting the hang of it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>~Kashka, 53 Warden, Lucan DLere</DIV>

[VizP]

I am a defiler and my current exp group have said simply do not want another healing class to replace me as the MH - the total combination of my heals (we get the strongest heal in the game now.. sacrifical line), wards + group wards (now with mitigation), buffs plus great debuffs/dots means that I really have convinced them from their experience with others that post patch defilers are something else. I myself feel a lot happier with a second healer helping me  btw and up to now a warden has been my secondary but I am 100% sure there is no way she could have healed the same was as I did as the only healer (and it seems all of you feel the same way as you seem a little upset about the class). BTW someone mentioned a cleric as being the best healer.. you may want to ask a nearby cleric what they think. Every templar/inquisitor I have met feels they are now second fiddle to shamans because they are no longer 'the' healing class... <div></div>

[creepinghunter]

<P>Thanx for your insight Vizp.  But I will bet that there are people around these boards that will flame and disagree with you.  I like seeing a fresh perspective from another class personaly and it goes to fortify the complaints of many of my fellow Wardens.  Who have said for quite awhile now that we and maybe even other healers are not balanced.  Not saying that I want them to nerf other classes to make it balanced but something needs to happen.  I did some more solo healing again today in Clefts and did just fine solo healing againts one ^^^ or 2 ^^ .  but if we got jumped by more and I took my eyes away for even 1/10th of a second I could not get him back to a healthy spot and we even died a few times as well.  Now a guild Fury came by and with the same instances did all the healing while I NUKED, and did a little healing.  The Fury was 2 levels higher then I and had their healing spells at adept 3 or better.  I have the same also</P> <P>We even recruited a lvl 59 brawler from the guild to tank for us on a nasty shard recovery run and I got to see a DH from a Fury, dont know spell, but it brought him back to full when mine barely moved his health bar.  </P> <P>Good luck Vizp and again thank for your insight )</P>

[Broomhilda]

<P>I think that answer as to who is the best healer will take some time to develop.  Time and experience in the end-game content as well.  I think trying to determine now who is the best is a bit premature.  However, that being said I would state that I hope that it is NEVER answered as we are all supposed to be balanced~!  </P> <P>This is coming from a Defiler, a class that was broken for 9 months.  Would I wait that long again?  Absolutely not.  Anyway I digress...</P> <P>I have played with all the healing classes since revamp: Defiler/Fury. Defiler/Warden, Defiler/Mystic, Defiler/Templar, Defiler/Inquisitor.  I would say that for the most part we are far MORE balanced than before.  There were too many inequitites in healing pre-revamp and the desparity was staggering.  However I find that I now pair best with my two diametric opposites: Wardens/Templars.  With their defensive skills and my offensive and both our healing techniques combined, there is no stopping any group we are in together.  The whole "solo" healer concept is cool, but quite frankly I dont care how "UBER" I think I am, I prefer 2 healer groups.  Why?  Because its simply more fun that way for me.  I think everyone is predicating things on solo healing and I truly beleive that the best way is with two different type of healers.  With 2 healers supporting each other there is so much more opportunity to use our other spells that benefit the group far more.  However I understand that solo healing is at times a neccessity and so be it.  I beleive I now do far better than before.  But again, things have changed so much.  It really depends on what we are fighting, group makeup, etc.  The variables are far more complicated than before.  So again I have no answer.  But I will say this...things are alot more challenging for everyone concerned.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Now readling a little more into these Warden forums has opened up my eyes to some of your current issues (ie HOTS not stacking, etc.).  If this is indeed true all I can say is that I truly hope it doesnt take you guys 9 months like it did us to get some attention.  It probably wont because you guys aren't as self-sabotaging as Defilers are! lol!  All I can say is that I feel your pain.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Good luck to you!  </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class=date_text>10-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:47 PM</span>

[Shennr]

<P>Like you said there are times when a group will only be able to get 1 healer. In fact most groups only desire one healer because it allows for more dps (faster killing) to happen. I have never known a group that likes to have 3 priests in it except for raids.</P> <P>I would prefer to solo heal as well because then I can run my groups through instances, encounters and small names faster. Time is precious to me and I feel that a Warden should be on par with healing as the other priests. We should not be neglected to having to wait on a second healer in a group just to make sure that the group is stable.</P>