Sorry to interrupt...

[Owa]

<DIV>Let me just come right put and say it - I love you! As a monk, Wardens are my absolute bestest friends - without you I'm...I'm nothing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, my guild on Lucan seemingly  has an aversion to all things Wardeny. Are there any Warden-friendly guilds (on Lucan, natch) who would be interested in taking on a level 50 Monk desperate to start raiding  - and acquiring the good gear we'll all need come September?</DIV><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:53 PM</span>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <DIV>Let me just come right put and say it - I love you! As a monk, Wardens are my absolute bestest friends - without you I'm...I'm nothing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, my guild on Lucan seemingly  has an aversion to all things Wardeny. Are there any Warden-friendly guilds (on Lucan, natch) who would be interested in taking on a level 50 Monk desperate to start raiding  - and acquiring the good gear we'll all need come September?</DIV> <P>Message Edited by annaspider on <SPAN class=date_text>07-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:53 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well...In my HUMBLE High Elven opinion - those who have an aversion to all things Warden have rocks in their head.    Wardens buff Strength, have an incredible power pool buff, buff mental...and specialize in buffing AGI (why YOU love us so well..<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ) .  </P> <P>The guilds raiding Dragons and Cold things (and the like), would be way more successful if they took along a couple of  the ONLY priest who buffs Elemental Resists.  </P> <P>On the other hand..they may not be able to FIND any Wardens because the Wardens on your server may have gotten tired of getting the snot beat out of them because of aggro issues with tanks that don't taunt and being told their healing was 'slow' because it's both direct and regen...etc.<BR></P> <P>And..the feeling is Mutual.  Monks are probably my favorite to duo with.  With me to buff them, they rarely get hit - so healing is easy.  Plus those that play the class are often very Zen  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Suits my Wardeny self quite well.</P> <P>Thanks for your post..<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Most kind!</P>

[nierika]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <DIV>Let me just come right put and say it - I love you! As a monk, Wardens are my absolute bestest friends - without you I'm...I'm nothing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, my guild on Lucan seemingly  has an aversion to all things Wardeny. Are there any Warden-friendly guilds (on Lucan, natch) who would be interested in taking on a level 50 Monk desperate to start raiding  - and acquiring the good gear we'll all need come September?</DIV> <P>Message Edited by annaspider on <SPAN class=date_text>07-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:53 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well...In my HUMBLE High Elven opinion - those who have an aversion to all things Warden have rocks in their head.    Wardens buff Strength, have an incredible power pool buff, buff mental...and specialize in buffing AGI (why YOU love us so well..<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ) .  </P> <P><FONT color=#ccccff>Humble?  High elf?  Er... i got lost somehwere and wandered into an alternate universe eh?</FONT></P> <P>The guilds raiding Dragons and Cold things (and the like), would be way more successful if they took along a couple of  the ONLY priest who buffs Elemental Resists.  </P> <P>On the other hand..they may not be able to FIND any Wardens because the Wardens on your server may have gotten tired of getting the snot beat out of them because of aggro issues with tanks that don't taunt and being told their healing was 'slow' because it's both direct and regen...etc.</P> <P><FONT color=#ccccff>I have fought this from day one.  Back in November when I chose to go the druid route this time (my main in eq1 was a cleric), I had several people attempt to talk me out of it, saying "you won't be able to main heal" and so on and so forth.  Now I find I can hold my own with the cleric line (boo naysayers!), and yet... I still have to 'prove' myself to every pickup group I get into.  On the flip, I will say that the clerics have it easy - they don't worry when the mob scores a critical hit because their heal procs anyways.  I don't know... I love the challenge the HoT line of healing brings.</FONT></P> <P>And..the feeling is Mutual.  Monks are probably my favorite to duo with.  With me to buff them, they rarely get hit - so healing is easy.  Plus those that play the class are often very Zen  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Suits my Wardeny self quite well.</P> <P><FONT color=#ccccff>I love monks as well... my perception is that wardens are hybrid healers, monks are hybrid fighters; we just complement each other abilities so well.  I duo with my husband (a monk) and a friend (a bruiser) a lot, and it's always extremely enjoyable whereas duoing with a guard... well... I know he'll hold aggro but we may be a while.  hee hee</FONT></P> <P>Thanks for your post..<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Most kind!</P> <P><FONT color=#ccccff>Yes!  Praise us some more!  we are poor red headed step children in need of love! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Owa]

Ok  - so you like the praise. How about the job offers though? :smileyvery-happy:

[Ravenmi]

<DIV>Wrong server unfortuneatly, but much Monk Love here as well. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Speaking of anti Warden peeps, I had a group I was with a few weeks ago. (first time I've gotten in a pickup group in recent memory.  Was a very good one tho)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Berserker Tank, A Ranger, a Wizard, a Dirge, Templar and Warden (me)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Where eating through stuff so fast it was scary, somehow the Templar even got agro once and I had to go pretty nuts to keep her up. (was wearing a Robe so didn't take hits very well, heh)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, Templar left and they where all like, well guess we need to find a healer now.  (/faint)  I wanted to beat them senseless.. I guess they just assumed the Templar had been doing all the healing but I was healing at least as much or more then the Templar, (pretty sure I saw her casting more then a few nukes, was probably having fun and nothin wrong with that. lol)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I stuck up for myself and said, anything we've done so far tonight I could heal solo, if you want to fill out the missing slot thats a good idea but doesn't matter what class we get to fill it really. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They trusted me and didn't have a problem..  can only hope they didn't just chalk it up to being a fluke or something.. bleh. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV>I"ve had that happen too - just makes me grit my teeth...I even said to a friend "I was solo healing that"...they said "well, the Templar must have been stifling or debuffing"  I'm like "No, the Templar was not doing poo...*I* was debuffing AND healing...please note the power usage here"  ..."well, Templars are more power efficient healers"    well...they are power efficient when they are NOT DOING ANYTHING!!! /argh!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I even went so far in one group as to not do anything..and the MT almost died, in an encounter where I could easily have solo healed it...but was 'backup healer'.       The Templar sent me a tell yelling at me for not healing.  And THEN I was in a group where a Templar two levels lower than me was designated Main Healer...I was to be doing damage and 'backup healing'.  So I did  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And we wiped twice.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I could go on and on..LOL but I'll stop now.   There are so many awesome Templars out there - but just like any class there are many more that don't have a clue.</DIV>

[nierika]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR> <DIV>I"ve had that happen too - just makes me grit my teeth...I even said to a friend "I was solo healing that"...they said "well, the Templar must have been stifling or debuffing"  I'm like "No, the Templar was not doing poo...*I* was debuffing AND healing...please note the power usage here"  ..."well, Templars are more power efficient healers"    well...they are power efficient when they are NOT DOING ANYTHING!!! /argh!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I even went so far in one group as to not do anything..and the MT almost died, in an encounter where I could easily have solo healed it...but was 'backup healer'.       The Templar sent me a tell yelling at me for not healing.  And THEN I was in a group where a Templar two levels lower than me was designated Main Healer...I was to be doing damage and 'backup healing'.  So I did  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And we wiped twice.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I could go on and on..LOL but I'll stop now.   There are so many awesome Templars out there - but just like any class there are many more that don't have a clue.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm not really temp bashing, I'm more 'people who think the only true healer is a cleric' bashing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  but i certainly do share your frustration.  I know there have been times I needed another healer to help me out but there have been plenty of times I've solo healed epic mobs (x2) 3 levels above me (well... we DID have a lot of DPS).  I think the difference between a group I can solo heal and a group I can't is whether or not the tank can hold aggro.  </P> <P>I do admit that clerics have an advantage over me because of their reactive heal, they don't generate nearly the same amount of hate that I do with HoT's, and they're wearing heavy armour so if they do get a bit of heal aggro they can survive a few more hits.</P> <P>isn't it ironic that the healing class that generates the most amount of heal aggro wears the lightest armour?</P> <P> </P>

[Ravenmi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nierika wrote: <P>isn't it ironic that the healing class that generates the most amount of heal aggro wears the lightest armour.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>We make up for it in leatness tho. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Phear te uba Warden Tanking powa!<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heh.. man trying to type something in leet speak makes my head hurt. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously tho, I tend to find myself taking hits better then my Templar friends for some reason.. but I think its because I go out of my way to make sure I have every defensive edge possible since agro was part of growing up (so to speak) for me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Over 60% avoidance, always have a shield on.. AC on things is always a Huge factor in if I'll wear it or not.  As such with wolf form My mitigation and avoidance, (and HPs of course) are usually higher then Templars I see.. heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But you really have to work for it as a Warden.  If Templars got agro more often and where as concerned about it as I was and actually tried to make themselves more sturdy they'd probably be a lot better at taking damage then I am.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also totally agree on the solo heal = tank ability to hold agro.  If I tank can keep agro off me there is almost no chance that they are going to die. </DIV>

[nierika]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ravenmist wrote: <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><this snip brought to you by the letter K and the number 3></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously tho, I tend to find myself taking hits better then my Templar friends for some reason.. but I think its because I go out of my way to make sure I have every defensive edge possible since agro was part of growing up (so to speak) for me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Over 60% avoidance, always have a shield on.. AC on things is always a Huge factor in if I'll wear it or not.  As such with wolf form My mitigation and avoidance, (and HPs of course) are usually higher then Templars I see.. heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Truthfully - I don't have a cleric alt (well... I DO but she's level 10) so I don't understand all of the mechanics of the cleric classes, my information goes on my small bit of knowledge from grouping with Temps.  We don't have a Temp to my level in my guild (I am in a very small guild of friends <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) so if someone needs a healer is pretty much just me.  hehe  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree with you about taking a hit fairly well, although my high elf does get irritated when the tundra terrors make her break a nail.  Her avoidance is relatively high because agi has always been my secondary stat to buff, but if she DOES get hit repeatedly it can go pretty bad.  (uhm... i just said something really stupid didn't i... I chalk it up to lack of caffiene)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV>I have a lvl 24 Templar alt - rolled 'just to see'.  Eventually I wll play her higher, but for now - I do think Templars have some great heals and duoing in Stormhold with no aggro is like a vacation. (can you imagine a vacation to sh? ew).  The only time I get aggro is when the tank I duo with starts chatting and forgets to taunt - then he grabs it back and we go on.    I can cast any heal or any buff at any time up to and including (practically) on the pull.  Can you IMAGINE!!??   LOL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I have learned so far is:  There's no decision tree.  Heal ( I admit nicely, but wardens have heals 'as nice') or do some fairly laughable damage using up a lot of mana...so, in a group with DPS:  heal, heal heal....::snore:: heal...oh Melee cause I'm wearing armor..heal...next!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So..yes, Templars ARE awesome healers.  I think that the ones that we have seen have no sense of humor is because they are bored to death, compared to the fun WE have  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[3cho]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So..yes, Templars ARE awesome healers.  I think that the ones that we have seen have no sense of humor is because they are bored to death, compared to the fun WE have  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Not only do we have fun... but our spell affects are really cool looking too! :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Owa]

<P>Don't tell anyone I said this - but Templars are really , really dull. They're like Paladins - very serious, milk-monitor types who laugh awkwardly at jokes without ever actually finding them funny.</P> <P>Wardens are all 'earthy' and quirky. I want one for my very own. I love you.</P> <P>ps. My wife has no idea I'm using her account name. Let's keep it this way, ok?</P>

[Unmask]

<DIV>You can post on my server forums for input if you like.  My guild raids daily and has 3 wardens (1 or 2 in non-MT groups usually).  I don't know if we are recruiting monks but I know we took on a bruiser recruit from another server recently.  If you want more info send me a PM.</DIV>

[Owa]

<P>Thanks <EM>very</EM> much to those of you who sent offers of work for this disgruntled monk! Upon reflection (and some vigorous debate) however, I've decided to stick with my present guild - loyalty and all that - <U>but </U>if any 40+ wardens are dissatisfied with their lot and would like to join a now-EXTREMELY-Warden-friendly guild on Lucan, please send me a PM and we'll get the drinks in! You would be so welcome it's almost nauseating.</P> <P>:smileyvery-happy:</P>