Not that it even matters anymore but Charm in LU#15 gets nerfed even more ......

[Petgroup]

<DIV> <P>- Charm spells cannot be maintained while crossing zones.</P> <P> </P> <P>- Charmed aquatic creatures will now break charm if their owner leaves the water.</P> <P> </P> <P>Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee</P></DIV>

[Azmode]

<DIV>Would you expect anything different?  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    The only pets worth charming were the aquatic pets.  Isn't it ironic?</DIV>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

nah thats not a nerf thats a bug fix! my hopes of getting our classes fixed diminishes every time we dont have an update to our class with an DT moment! 

[Gilbert]

<P>Well they say they are looking at our class.  What they don't tell us is that they are looking at it and having a collective laugh.</P> <P>I'm sure it's some sort of sociological experiment on a mmorpg.  How long will a group of people play a class no matter how horrible it gets especially when they get nerfed every update.</P> <P>I have so much incentive to play another mmorpg but I refuse to leave.  I must be a masochist.</P>

[Prieston]

You need to learn the difference between a nerf and a bug fix. Charm and aquatic creatures was a bug. It is now being fixed.

[Azmode]

Thats not the point.  Try to think past your fanboish rose colored goggles for a second.  Whats more important, fixing our ability to charm water creatures on land or fixing the SPELL charm and the entire subclass.  You dont pi$$ off the playerbase with petty nerfs the day after you declare that the class is broke.  <p>Message Edited by Azmodeus on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:08 PM</span>

[Jaxidi]

<DIV>That change to charm and aquatic mobs was actually not just isolated to your charm.  Go agro an aquatic mob and run onto land and notice that agro breaks and the mob goes back into the water and the fight is over.  The change to charm is just a side-effect to that.  So it works both ways.  Both for your charm and also for agro.  Perhaps there are exceptions to this but that's the way they're going towards and hoping to get to.</DIV>

[Lee Hor]

Hi,FYI,The fight with an aquatic creature and leave the water then break the fight part has been around since i believe LU13.I think charm need to be fixed we all know what we would like done to it, full duration charm, upgrade the spell for a longer duration.can sony realy no achieve this or maybe thats there suprise for therr year aniversary The coercers finally get fixed. hehe.also i would like to be able to Duel people with a charmed pet. Please fix this too.Thank you**************************()()()())(())()()()() ()(()***************************()()()()(()()()()( ))()(()()************************hopefully the dodgy stars and brackets above the coercer sony into reading this **cough cough Moorgard  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Petgroup]

<DIV>My point being is that they spent .5 a sec on this charm "bug" that coulda been spent on Fixing a spell thats been broken and fixed 75 times since release.  I was hoping to see something good in this update for us, instead we get jack. Luckily I still have my Conjurer till they nerf the crap outta him. That will happen before a charm update that the majority of the Coercer base loves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mention stun epics, in this lil hidden away forum, gone ....</DIV> <DIV>Mention Charm sux and we can't do any CC anymore, all over the front page forums, see yeah at Christmas 2007.</DIV>

[bodthewiz]

<P>Classic SOE way nerf first fix later! they have time to nerf but not time to fix? This is absolute madness!</P> <P> </P> <P>Psssssssst! hey SOE if your gonna fix the spell fix the whole thing please!</P><p>Message Edited by bodthewizzy on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:29 AM</span>

[Wras]

<DIV> <P><FONT size=3>Look on the bright side...they buffed our Smirking Demeanor icon.</FONT></P> <P><STRONG>"Coercer changes:</STRONG>- Smirking Demeanor and its upgrades should now have an orange icon background."</P></DIV>

[Signal9]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wrasse wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><FONT size=3>Look on the bright side...they buffed our Smirking Demeanor icon.</FONT></P> <P><STRONG>"Coercer changes:</STRONG>- Smirking Demeanor and its upgrades should now have an orange icon background."</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Lol, my response to this 'fix' is:  So??  Who the F cares?  You could make it sky-blue-pink-with-orange-polkadots for all I care, it's JUST AN ICON!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But, hey, thanks for putting the recipe for Spell Lash into the books so we can upgrade past app 1 (Err, sorry, still not in the books as far as I know.  Checking when I get home, but hoping)</DIV>

[Bloodtoo]

I agree that's a change to a bugged game mechanism that just happens to affect charm directly.  Did anyone really believe they should be able to make fish breathe air and fly simply by charming them.  I mean so many people complained about fish pursuing onto land I'm surprised it took this long to fix. <div></div>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<P>mind over matter offcourse they should suddenly forget they dont have lungs and move across the land!</P> <P>We control their minds no? </P>

[xxalan]

<DIV>i thought charm just held when we zoned, but the mob doesn't get to come with us, this seems like a very very very small fix for us then so we don't have to cancel and recast....again VERY small</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But i agree with the rest of posters, they should make the spell usable before they nerf it more</DIV>