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Skua
03-14-2005, 09:24 AM
well i have a enchanter in eq and well i really love this class now i will ask u some questions plz answer =)i played eqoa aswell , yeah i know eqoa is more casual game but ...i was playin a wizard when i see a enchanter with a robot pet ...he dismiss pet and charm a orc and send the charmed orc to other orc O_O i was looking this and fastly i log off and start a chanter my first pet was a little robot was funny , i have more pets all pets have TAUNT a good taunt and high live , anywa i can charm mobs , charisma determined my time so i always put point on this , well i lvl to max lvl my enc i loved him because he have tank pets , no really good dps but i can nuke as hell w/o worried about take hate =) , last pets was a swarm weapons the best tank pet ingame , and i haved the last charm i can charm for 5 min and use like my pet , i loved charm drakes =) , well sorry about my little history now the questions :how many time i can charm , can use the charmed pet to attack? coercers no have pets =( so i will no ask about ithmmm can coercers charm white con mobs? or just if u are lvl 30 u can charm lvl 25 and below? affect some stat to charm time? thx for your answers =)

Eeow
03-14-2005, 01:35 PM
<DIV>WHO CARES CHARM!!!</DIV> <DIV>its useless for RAID !!!! </DIV> <DIV>many noobs want charm lets try to use it in RAIDS!!!</DIV> <DIV>they fixed charm again but we are still JUNK FOR RAIDS!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Orki who Pos
03-14-2005, 04:28 PM
<DIV>>how many time i can charm</DIV> <DIV>Many, but after the first time, it will be hard to recharm, since the ex charmed mob now has your own resist buffs running.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> can use the charmed pet to attack? </DIV> <DIV>yes<BR><BR>>hmmm can coercers charm white con mobs?</DIV> <DIV>You can easily charm oranges, as long as they only have 1 arrow on them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>>affect some stat to charm time? </DIV> <DIV>No, it is allways short.<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Be warned, charm in it's current state is useless, and will make your group get less xp, but have higher risk.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Since not all encounters will give xp at all anymore, and a charmed mob WILL come beating on the enchanter afterwards, with buffs out the wazoo)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Skua
03-14-2005, 06:08 PM
thx 4 your answers , i dunno about exp loss :S and about raid well i think u choose your class for the fun u have with it no thinkin in the end game days or no? if i choose coercer is to get some fun no thinking about raiding , well if i get a coercer at 50 i will be raiding more time but i dont want to play a classe that isnt fun to me but is usefull in the end game...are u angry about u end game yep but i dont ask about a spot of coercer in a raid.....i choose conjurer and sk (in raids they are ....useless, conjurer cant stack with another conjurer and sk....) well then i will give it a try =) 1 more question if i charm a orange mob and send it to attack a yellow orange will win (unless the yellow was a caster) i will earn xp? i the pet lost the charm i can mezz it and run away? in exp groups i never see a coercer charming nothing and dunno why , can some1 explainme more about the xp loss? i a coercer charm something and use the pet the group lost xp?¿? how many %?

Orki who Pos
03-14-2005, 06:28 PM
<DIV>1 more question if i charm a orange mob and send it to attack a yellow orange will win (unless the yellow was a caster) i will earn xp?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your charm lasts roughly 30 seconds, you will not be killing a mob in that timeframe. Furthermore, if your charmed mob gets hit, charm will break instantly, often breaking the encounter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=5>You CANNOT use charm for xp purposes in the current state of the game.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While you might believe it's just that all the other coercers in the world haven't figgured out how to charm, some of us actually played charming enchanters in EQ1 since pre kunark.... currently charm just isnt worth it, all risk, no reward.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> i the pet lost the charm i can mezz it and run away?</DIV> <DIV>Your own buffs gives alot to mental resistances, so it will be harder to mez, since it retains your buffs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> in exp groups i never see a coercer charming nothing and dunno why , can some1 explainme more about the xp loss?</DIV> <DIV>When you charm a mob, it has a random chance of when it breaks. If it has started an attack, and then breaks before the attack hits,</DIV> <DIV>the encounter will be broken, and you will get 0 xp for the entire fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Groups love getting no xp and loot after a hard fight, they will ask you what happened at first, and when you do it again, they will add you on their friends list.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If another encounter joins in, both encounters will often get broken right away, giving no xp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> i a coercer charm something and use the pet the group lost xp?¿? how many %?</DIV> <DIV>100%, you get no xp what so ever from broken encounters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Charm can be fun, but regard it as a fun-spell, pretty mutch like the ratonga illusion, it has no real use in xp or loot groups, since stun/stifle is vastly superior as a CC tool, and mez has a (rather high) chance of breaking the encounters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look at it like this, if wizards had a 10-15% chance of clicking <FONT color=#ffcc33>yell</FONT> whenever they hit their ball of fire spell, how often do you think they would use it in an xp group?</DIV> <DIV>Never?  That's how charm is currently.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is really, really, that bad.</DIV>

Tanatus
03-14-2005, 08:46 PM
<DIV>Eeowan just FYI Beguile is class defining spell and IF it will be fixed its reason why 99% ppl made a coercer in first hand. You want be a buff HO? you want be CC HO? - then make a illusionist. I made coercer for pure offensiving purpose according to advertizement Coercer supose to be champing of DPS in game via charmed pet of course. If we will able charm double ups (and this most likely gona be a case) usefullness of charm on a raid will grow expotentially. Btw I was actually charm on raid - franly not very tough mob (named terror in EF encounter have 3 inducers that are charmable and 3 shredders that are not charmable)</DIV>

Orki who Pos
03-14-2005, 08:51 PM
<DIV>>Eeowan just FYI Beguile is class defining spell and IF it will be fixed its reason why 99% ppl made a coercer in first hand.</DIV> <DIV>I wonder where you got that number from btw, i just used to play a chanter.. so i made one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, after having seen the 3 minutes buffs, there was no doubt in my mind i wanted group buffs.</DIV> <DIV>- The 3 minutes buffs are now gone, so the reason is frankly no more... and i cant seem to summon the will to play my illusionist-lite</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> You want be a buff HO? you want be CC HO? - then make a illusionist.</DIV> <DIV>Too late for that, if i could change, i would. On the spot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>Btw I was actually charm on raid</DIV> <DIV>Out of curiosity, what does the other 23 players on the raid say to you when charm manages to break the encounter, so it gives no loot?</DIV> <DIV>Or is that less likely to happen while in a raid group?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Eeow
03-14-2005, 08:55 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Orki who Posts wrote:<BR> <DIV>>Eeowan just FYI Beguile is class defining spell and IF it will be fixed its reason why 99% ppl made a coercer in first hand.</DIV> <DIV>I wonder where you got that number from btw, i just used to play a chanter.. so i made one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, after having seen the 3 minutes buffs, there was no doubt in my mind i wanted group buffs.</DIV> <DIV>- The 3 minutes buffs are now gone, so the reason is frankly no more... and i cant seem to summon the will to play my illusionist-lite</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> You want be a buff HO? you want be CC HO? - then make a illusionist.</DIV> <DIV>Too late for that, if i could change, i would. On the spot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>Btw I was actually charm on raid</DIV> <DIV>Out of curiosity, what does the other 23 players on the raid say to you when charm manages to break the encounter, so it gives no loot?</DIV> <DIV>Or is that less likely to happen while in a raid group?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>thx <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Tanatus
03-14-2005, 10:13 PM
<DIV>Orki FYI charming WITHIN encounter never ever bug encounter. </DIV> <DIV>If you want to bug encounter you need do next </DIV> <DIV>Charm solo mob (or mob within 1 encounter) preferebly casting mob sick it on other encounter.... wait till your pet start casting anymation ... immideatly release pet. THAT will brake encounter (my counter-attack vs. bot-farmers who train ppl in Feerrott during Rallosian Boncer farming)</DIV>