Single target raid dps

[Domiuk]

<DIV>I seem to be going a long way back to find good info this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So the question is what sort of numbers are you hitting single target ?   (I know thats an iffy question as it is far more dependant on raid makeup than most people realise)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>More importantly if your competing well with other DPS classes then what casting order tips can you give.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not so worried about aoe as even without much practice as a raid warlock I seem to be hitting decent numbers without dieing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Andromax1]

depends on buffs and the length of the fight. Anywhere from 1500ish with no buffs, and a 30 second fight, to 2k+ using focused casting. With the right buffs Ive seen 2400+ on 2-5 minute single target fights. With no buffs I could eek out around 1500 or so on a 2-5 minute fight

[Sesskia]

<div></div>We did a mistmoore inner sanctum run the other night.I was parsing at between 1200-1600 single target DPS...avg was prob about 1300.My self buffed int was only around 430 because I was wearing resist gear. There was a troub+illu in group (didn't have syn or time comp tho...still managed to outparse the necro who did).Most spells are M1, with a few Ad3 (mainly T6 spells + soul blister).AAs are Agi/Wis with Hatenings and some 8 points in Explosives.(Edit - None of our Brigands were on the raid)<div></div><p>Message Edited by LloydPickering on <span class=date_text>02-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>11:06 AM</span>

[Phineus]

<DIV> I was running between 900-1300 tonight in LoA single target. I have resist gear also. 500ish buffed. No illus and a troub with app 4s. Good aligned classes only. </DIV>

[Tanatus]

<P>Without Troubadur with all M1 spells in the Labs with maxed out sorcs DPS line and maxed AoE warlock line with int after buffs around 600 - susteind DPS over raid duration was 1100 (with average raid DPS 15K). I had died only 2 or 3 times and couple time had lucky spikes in the DPS (several crits in row) around 1800</P> <P>Susteined DPS necro who was died like 4 time was 1430 (same group as I)</P> <P> </P>

[EliteHero]

<DIV>Well i dont know the # of what im hiting but i just keep using my soul flay and my 2 dmg over time on single target mobs ..and if the mob is by it's self freehand with apok and then back to soul and the dmg over time...But ill try get a # do u want parse # ?</DIV>

[Wayoff]

breaking 3k on single targetsBut I'm insane though<div></div>

[Andromax1]

Which single targets, with which buffs? Not really possible unless you have Troub, Illusionist with time compression. And even then itd have to be a fairly short fight and not that often. Also smells of exageration, homie.

[EliteHero]

k just killed some epicx4 lvl 72 a mano i think its called i got this on parse 745.38 not sure if that helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> let me know . I dont really know what that is on parse let me know also <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...

[Sesskia]

<div><blockquote><hr>EliteHero wrote:<div></div>k just killed some epicx4 lvl 72 a mano i think its called i got this on parse 745.38 not sure if that helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> let me know . I dont really know what that is on parse let me know also <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...<hr></blockquote>That means you got 745.38 DPS.You can do better if you want to...Try to get all your spells at least Ad3 (M1 if u can afford)Get you int up as high as you canHope for a troub in your raid groupFigure out a good spell rotation.Try not to die...this is prob the single biggest killer on DPS for an encounter.  The clock ticks on while you feed the worms.I always have a parser running so I can see what different spell rotations can mean to my fights.</div>

[xIzanam]

its depent on the raid.When i cast instant i came over 3500dps. Apokalpyse tick >3000 Void Distortion 6000 and Aura of Nothingness. When fight not longer is as 20s.

[Groma]

<blockquote><hr>LloydPickering wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>EliteHero wrote:<div></div>k just killed some epicx4 lvl 72 a mano i think its called i got this on parse 745.38 not sure if that helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> let me know . I dont really know what that is on parse let me know also <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...<hr></blockquote>That means you got 745.38 DPS.You can do better if you want to...Try to get all your spells at least Ad3 (M1 if u can afford)Get you int up as high as you canHope for a troub in your raid groupFigure out a good spell rotation.Try not to die...this is prob the single biggest killer on DPS for an encounter.  The clock ticks on while you feed the worms.I always have a parser running so I can see what different spell rotations can mean to my fights.</div><hr></blockquote>No, he can't.  The dude is helpless.  I wasn't sure if he just overexaggerated or what until now.  The dude has been level 70 for months now, and still hasnt upgraded his single target DD spell from the old t4 version.<div></div>

[Sesskia]

<div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:<blockquote><hr>LloydPickering wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>EliteHero wrote:<div></div>k just killed some epicx4 lvl 72 a mano i think its called i got this on parse 745.38 not sure if that helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> let me know . I dont really know what that is on parse let me know also <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...<hr></blockquote>That means you got 745.38 DPS.You can do better if you want to...Try to get all your spells at least Ad3 (M1 if u can afford)Get you int up as high as you canHope for a troub in your raid groupFigure out a good spell rotation.Try not to die...this is prob the single biggest killer on DPS for an encounter.  The clock ticks on while you feed the worms.I always have a parser running so I can see what different spell rotations can mean to my fights.</div><hr></blockquote>No, he can't.  The dude is helpless.  I wasn't sure if he just overexaggerated or what until now.  The dude has been level 70 for months now, and still hasnt upgraded his single target DD spell from the old t4 version.<div></div><hr></blockquote>lol. OK, guess theres no hope.</div>

[Myrswithe]

<div></div><div></div>I seem to have better DPS in fights lasting a minute or more.By taking the few seconds to load netherlord, infestation, pyre, and scourge then keeping them up as much as possible WHILE doing my single target nuke/nihility rotation maxes my dps.Forgot to mention, my single target spells are about 2/3rds master and the rest ad3. In a group with both a troub and illusionist, no compression; fights over a minute with single target are 1200+ and as much as 1600. I'm totally specced for pvp have low int, and only 60 some AA.As far as competing with the single target DPS classes with the mentioned group spec I'm just behind them.<p>Message Edited by Myrad on <span class=date_text>02-02-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 AM</span>

[Domiuk]

<DIV>My very first fulll t7 raid with just the warlock I hit 1100 zone wide and in fact managed to top the parse on an aoe fight or 2. (I did of course eat the floor a few times)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Experimenting with casting orders did mean i got some truely dreadful single target parses <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am going to respec to hastenings and concentrate for single target dps and see what sort of numbers I can get but could really still use advice from anybody doing decent single target dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My gear is not great but not exactly poor either but I am almost fully mastered (Dark infestation being the notable add3) and have 3 proccing items Grizzles,planar and bone clasped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[EliteHero]

hu>?

[EliteHero]

Lol let me know what u guys talking about long words no short stuff like DD?

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Domiuk wrote:<div>My very first fulll t7 raid with just the warlock I hit 1100 zone wide and in fact managed to top the parse on an aoe fight or 2. (I did of course eat the floor a few times)</div> <div> </div> <div>Experimenting with casting orders did mean i got some truely dreadful single target parses <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div>I am going to respec to hastenings and concentrate for single target dps and see what sort of numbers I can get but could really still use advice from anybody doing decent single target dps.</div> <div> </div> <div>My gear is not great but not exactly poor either but I am almost fully mastered (Dark infestation being the notable add3) and have 3 proccing items Grizzles,planar and bone clasped.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>If you are parsing 1100 zone wide on your very first t7 raid, you are on the right track to where you should be.  Get that good AA spec, gear yourself out, and learn the threshold of your MT and you will do just fine.</div>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>EliteHero wrote:<div></div>Lol let me know what u guys talking about long words no short stuff like DD?<hr></blockquote>DD=Direct Damage.  Seriously, Elite, after the beating you got the other night in TT trying to run in and cast Rift on an x4 pvp raid, you should be playing a bruiser so you can just drag people off the islands in KoS.  We do appreciate the 136 kill streak your guild gave us after bind rushing 7 times, was quite enjoyable.</div>

[EliteHero]

<DIV>Eh I really dont know what to say , and im sure i upgrade my spells to adept 3 or masters i know that also this is what i use on raids no matter how short or long fight is Tumultuous and curse of void just the debuufs at start of fight ..then netherlord and dark infestation scourge of shadows, war prye...soul,,,and once a while void dis and aura..My aa line is agil and wis and warlock tree i started to go down hasteing line not all way down yet....my int sucks 520 but my gears is not bad... :/.................Btw grooman get any of the new relic ? oh and also freehand 30% with apok when my freehand is up....</DIV><p>Message Edited by EliteHero on <span class=date_text>02-03-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:58 AM</span>

[Myrswithe]

Sounds right dude.Only reason I dont cast some of the dots and debuffs is cuz on trash... guild will seriously kill a mob before I can cast a single spell.<div></div>

[Groma]

If your int is 500+ and your parses are still in the 700s, something is wrong.  You said you rarely cast void distortion? That is your bread and butter man, max it out in the hastenings line and start using it every time that badboy is up.  Typically, Void Distortion accounts for about 18% of my total raid damage. War Pyre is always ticking, and it accounts for about 9%.  As for new gear, no. I built an entirely new raid force a couple weeks ago, and i'm still getting them used to working together so we made KoS raiding priority since we are all familiar with it.  I wouldn't be so concerned with getting the Dark Arts gear, and focus more of your time getting items like Bone Clasp Girdle, Fidgetting Hands of the Savant, Blood of the Brood Watcher, Wand of Second Life, finish your League series, gives 3 items with a 1k proc that works on vampires(but is currently working on all mobs).  There is so much gear from heroic zones that is greatly beneficial on raids, you should be wearing it long before you start worrying about the raid gear, because if you can't kill the mobs that drop the raid gear you will never get it.<div></div>

[EliteHero]

<DIV> <DIV>Aye Thx gromann <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Hey I wana link you a nice robe its a lot better then some of the relic and fabled out there not sure how to link it doh ill just tell u name of it and stats          Pani'sRobe             +7sta +20wis +21int 80+hp 90+power res vs heat cold mentel 296 res vs posion +407 (Effect increases dmg done by spells by up to 35. Its a good robe no ?                                                                                                    </DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by EliteHero on <span class=date_text>02-03-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:05 PM</span>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>EliteHero wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div> <div>Aye Thx gromann <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Hey I wana link you a nice robe its a lot better then some of the relic and fabled out there not sure how to link it doh ill just tell u name of it and stats          Pani'sRobe             +7sta +20wis +21int 80+hp 90+power res vs heat cold mentel 296 res vs posion +407 (Effect increases dmg done by spells by up to 35. Its a good robe no ?                                                                                                    </div></div><p>Message Edited by EliteHero on <span class="date_text">02-03-2007</span> <span class="time_text">03:05 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Until you start looting items off end game boss mobs, you should be wearing your Gown of Glory from Nest of the Great Egg.  Irreplaceable until you are at the top tier of all raiding, and you guys will be a ways from getting there.</div>

[Myrswithe]

Raiment of the Skywatcher isnt terrible either, procs loss of 683 hate 3.9 times per minute, if youre dealing with hate problems.<div></div>

[Tyrion]

<DIV>While my Warlock is my alt, I do enjoy playing her immensely. If you want to parse high, this is my advice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Proc gear. ie.: Mystical Orb of the Invoker, Nercomantic Orb of the Death Reveler, Breath of the Destroyer/Circlet of Living Fire, Grizzfazzles, and any other items that proc DAMAGE on a successful spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) For AAs, go down strength and get max spell crits, and then wisdom for freehand sorcerory. I like the end ability of Wisdom more than strength, as a permanent 12% reduction in spell cost is better than auto-crit. If you were a wizard, I'd take auto-crits though (Nova ftw!).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) If you're levelling up AAs, go down Hastening first and get Quickening end ability before Explosives. I cant' stress how good the Spell Quickening end AA is. Just incredible if timed with dispatch, and any other short-term buffs (illu/troub I mean).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Keep your DoTs up constantly and use Soul Blister/Void Distortion/Aura of Pain EVERYTIME they're up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The rest is raid composition. You NEED a troub for best damage output really. You can raid without one, but it's frustrating after you've been grouped with one and realize how much of a difference it is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Tyrion on <SPAN class=date_text>02-04-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:54 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Tyrion on <span class=date_text>02-04-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:55 AM</span>

[Groma]

<blockquote><hr>Myrad wrote:Raiment of the Skywatcher isnt terrible either, procs loss of 683 hate 3.9 times per minute, if youre dealing with hate problems.<div></div><hr></blockquote>That would have been my suggestion if he was having aggro control issues, but at 700dps, clearly he isn't pulling aggro.  Unless, of course, they have a trouby as main tank <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[EliteHero]

When I was fighting this mob it wasent my tank that I know so I had to hold back a lil and use mu debuffs

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>EliteHero wrote:<div></div>When I was fighting this mob it wasent my tank that I know so I had to hold back a lil and use mu debuffs<hr></blockquote>In an earlier post, you said your DPS is in the 700s.  The last thing you need to worry about is holding back, because if your tank can't keep aggro against 700dps, he shouldn't be tanking period.  I know Horatte, he is a darn good tank, you can pretty much unleash everything you are capable of throwing out there and you wont steal aggro from him.</div>

[EliteHero]

Oh horrate yah. But it wasent him tanking it was someone from vandeta it wasent our guild raid i was just in becuse i wanted some aa and there tank had bad gear and lost agro 2-3times...I made 5th doh on parse the other top 2 wore from  my guild too.<p>Message Edited by EliteHero on <span class=date_text>02-04-2007</span> <span class=time_text>08:44 PM</span>

[Andromax1]

<div></div>Othysis Muruvian Freethinkers hideout. Only a troub for buffs.I did use a miracle for 28k as you can see but with a total dmg of 430k not a huge difference.Allies: (02:35) 3755600 | 24229.68 [Monster-Incinerate-28254]Monster 429036 >2768< 37/591Wizard 343180 >2214< 58/518Swash 337233 >2176< 136/604Necro 308623 >1991< 62/689Warlock 291294 >1879< 55/415Wizard 287555 >1855< 31/344Ranger 246831 >1592< 47/167Brig 240853 >1554< 37/370SK 220489 >1423< 391/569This isnt typical by any means but I thought it was good enough to post

[Sesskia]

<div><blockquote><hr>Andromax1 wrote:<div></div>Othysis Muruvian Freethinkers hideout. Only a troub for buffs.I did use a miracle for 28k as you can see but with a total dmg of 430k not a huge difference.Allies: (02:35) 3755600 | 24229.68 [Monster-Incinerate-28254]Monster 429036 >2768< 37/591Wizard 343180 >2214< 58/518Swash 337233 >2176< 136/604Necro 308623 >1991< 62/689Warlock 291294 >1879< 55/415Wizard 287555 >1855< 31/344Ranger 246831 >1592< 47/167Brig 240853 >1554< 37/370SK 220489 >1423< 391/569This isnt typical by any means but I thought it was good enough to post<hr></blockquote>We never have much luck with him...As a guild we only raid 4 nights a week tho.What tactic did you use? Switching aggro, or just a burn fest while jumping the adds?  24k raid dps suggests burn <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Andromax1]

yea, burn. tricky mob. stars have to align etc. annoying imo.

[Xede]

best i've gotten on single target is about 2300 +/- 150. Thats also with Illusionist's Time compression, synergism, furies vim, troubador's deaggro, coercers deaggro

[Wayoff]

3k single target on fights longer than 2 minutes is attainable I'm not even in the caster grp either. Think luck of the dirge+illusionist.

[Melseb]

He is right... time compression by itself will put you in the 2500-2800 raneg easy. With Luck Of the Dirge and/or Blessings (templar aa) ive broken 3k on singles more than once outside of FTH. In FTH its even easier because you can use the League vampire proc set. Daenarys 70 Warlock Mob Squad Kithicor

[Inebriation]

I average at about 1700-1800. Right group I guess I get around 2300-2500 average.

[Groma]

Lyceum parse, myself and the warlock that outparsed me had a trouby in grp, and the other warlock had fury Int buff. Allies: (40:12) 35486570 | 14712.51 [Assassin-Decapitate-28341] Warlock 1472323 | 1776.02 Gromann 3773342 | 1775.69 Assassin 3595707 | 1732.87 Assassin 3478170 | 1656.27 Brigand 2918279 | 1406.40 Zerker 2731107 | 1190.03 Necro 2475880 | 1158.04 Conjuror 2380712 | 1127.23 Zerker 2306611 | 1092.66 Ranger 2253162 | 1078.07 Dirge 2010248 | 1025.64

[Andromax1]

Warlock <b>1472323</b> | 1776.02 Gromann 3773342 | 1775.69 why does he have less than half the dmg you do? do you not use EXTDPS?

[Groma]

That was not EXT DPS, he was on the raid for the trash, but logged onto his Defiler for the named mobs cause our mystic kept going LD. Here is the Ext DPS. Gromann 3773342 | 1564.40 Warlock 1472323 | 610.42

[Groma]

One thing i am confused on.  What is the difference between DPS and Ext-dps?  Does DPS only count the time you are actually fighting, and Ext count the total combat time for the whole raid?  Reason i ask is i am the raid leader, often times i pull and whatnot so my combat starts early compared to other members of the raid, and i also pick up jobs like rooting heroic mobs and don't focus 100% on dps when i'm having to yell out orders, etc.

[drajev]

Ext dps calculates your dps only for the time when you have been in fight. Dps is the global dps from the moment the mob was pulled till the end of the fights.

[Groma]

That doesn't make sense.  If DPS was total combat, and Ext dps was only while you were engaged with the mob, would Ext DPS have to be higher?

[Koehianna]

<cite>Gromann wrote:</cite><blockquote>That doesn't make sense.  If DPS was total combat, and Ext dps was only while you were engaged with the mob, would Ext DPS have to be higher? </blockquote> You got the two switched around.  Extended DPS is the whole fight (which is why it's called extended).  DPS is just the DPS from the time you engage it.