STR/WIS VS STR/AGI (AA Lines)

[Windowlicker]

<DIV>Ok, If you really like kicking out some serious damage it seems like there are two options available.  The STR/WIS lines (Freehand/Catalyst) or the STR/AGI (Catalyst/Timers).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would anyone that makes use of the STR/AGI lines have any examples of parses?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Personally I'm currently level 70 with about 67 AA's, and almost full Masters.  The few spells that aren't mastered are A3.  All key damage spells are M1 or higher.  I use the STR/WIS line (Freehand/Catalyst).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our last labs raid I averaged about 1500 - 2000 dps per pull. (With hate reduction)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pre-EoF I wasn't too thrilled with the reduced casting times line, however with the new EoF AA's I'm taking another look.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What do you think?  </DIV>

[Xede]

<DIV>in all honesty there really isnt much difference in DPS going agi/wis or str/wis</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i've never done str/agi as i see the wis line the best for the sorcerer class. increasing base damage by 8% is huge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am currently running agi/wis and going down the hastenings line(only 71 AA's currently) and can average about 1200-1700 DPS(but then again i like to talk in chat channels alot) All spells are mastered. I always have time compression on me and synergism.</DIV>

[Thief]

I really don't understand why people are still going down Str. Agi/Wis <div></div>

[Keitho]

Agi/WIs FTW Nuff Said<div></div>

[dubbs]

So Agi 4/4/4/8/8 and Wis 4/5/4/8 sound about right?

[Niun01]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>dubbs wrote:<div></div>So Agi 4/4/4/8/8 and Wis 4/5/4/8 sound about right?<hr></blockquote>Agility 4/4/4/8/1 Wis 4/5/4/8I will never look back. Was strength/wisdom for a long time and really see no difference in crits after I switched. Currently fully down the hastening line and about to work on my Explosive line next.</div><p>Message Edited by Niun01 on <span class=date_text>01-08-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:09 AM</span>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thief wrote:<BR>I really don't understand why people are still going down Str. Agi/Wis <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Elaborate on your setup then please.

[Andromax1]

<div></div>same as above, I parse a lot better with AGI/WIS I have 100 AA tho so my warlock tree is maxed as well. 2k+ on singles, 3K+ on grps of 2-3 epics np.With synergism btw<p>Message Edited by Andromax1 on <span class=date_text>01-08-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:06 PM</span>

[TheStateFish]

<DIV>I run STR/AGI without catalyst. The best for dps. Try it youself and you'll see. The second symbol with stats and a proc plus the crit% far outweigh the 8% dmg increase with the loss of stats. Spells cast faster and with less spikes in damage(freehand likes to pull aggro) meaning less aggro and higher dps overall. Your single spell numbers won't look as impressive, but your parse will be higher.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[shadowflag]

<P>I've recently went back to STR/AGI from WIS/AGI and noticed a difference. My STR is 4/4/5/8 and AGI is 4/4/8/1. Notice I don't take Catalyst.  It's a waste of points IMO.</P> <P>My Warlock AA's are currently 5/5/5/5/5/3/1 down the Hastenings line. Explosives is at 5/5/5/5/1 with no points in Rift.</P> <P>I haven't crunched the numbers of the parses to see how much more DPS one line does than the other but I'm gonna stick with STR/AGI for two reasons. </P> <P>One is that it bothers me to no end to have my secondary slot empty.  I still think it is a ridiculous compromise for a higher base damage and the other abilities in the line.</P> <P>Second is that I crit A LOT. With Don't Kill the Messenger and a Second Sight potion I hover at 25-26% chance to crit and thats not counting boots or some other mods which could bump the chance higher.  It's appearant to me that the crits offset a Freehand Sorcery attack every 45 or so seconds.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by shadowflag on <span class=date_text>01-08-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[Andromax1]

I dont think that most people take WIS for the freehand attack, they take it so that every spell they use does 8% more dmg than it would otherwise.

[Windowlicker]

<DIV>Hrm, I'll take another look at each line when I'm not sitting at my desk at work <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So far the STR/WIS lines have served me well, but I'm always looking for ways to squeeze a bit more DPS out.  I can see why increasing the average damage of all spells would likely be nice, however I'm unsure if it's going to offset the huge Apoc/Chaostorm crits I see with Freehand and Catalyst.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Currently with Dispatch in, I can watch my Apoc tick for over 4k damage.  I guess I'd be worried that the higher average damage of each spell would be enough to cover that difference.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Melseb]

The whole idea behind the agility line is that you cast SEVERAL (i really dont know how many on average) more spells per fight. Yes you might get a nice 16k apocalypse once per fight, but is that really better than casting  a 10k apocalypse + 3 more void distortions, and 3 more war pyres? It would be interesting to see parses showing how many more spell casts per fight a chain casting warlock gets with the agility line. The bottom line is that I and many many other warlocks are parsing higher with agi/wis than str/wis and this is probably the best explanation for it.Daenarys70 WarlockMob SquadKithicor<div></div>

[Mastire]

<DIV>I used to do STR/Agi. I thaught it was teh bet with cat. + the aditonal item. But due to a few warlokcs insisting that AGI/Wis was better I decided to respec to show I was right. I have only raided 2x since then but I beleive I was wrong. I was doing 1.2-1.4k dps before, now I'm closer to 1.4-1.9k. Going to give it a bit longer before I say for sure though.</DIV>

[gaarder]

<P>i am down for agi/wis as well.</P> <P>my reasoning is quite simple (please correct  me if i am wrong)</P> <P>for dps:</P> <P>str-- 8% critc chance to have 50% dmg bonus is 4% dmg increase</P> <P>agi-- cast/recast everything faster/more often 10-12% is 10%+ dmg increase (assume ur gear dont suck so you dont run oop)</P> <P>wis-- 8% base dmg boost is 8%</P> <P>so on average with out the luck issue, it is agi>wis>str  (not counting catalyst or fhs because that's really a lot of math)</P> <P> </P> <P>for others:</P> <P>agi is obviously better than other 2, u cast/recast more on : debuff, potion, activatable items, god's ability or even CoQ/coO and i am using the dagger from cheldrak, which can actually add a tiny melee dps with the interupting dagger AA, lol</P> <P>wis line maybe good that you have little ward of sage, kinda useless though if you are raiding mostly (the epics gonna cut through ur pity 200wards as nothing anyway)</P> <P>str line: hmmm let me think, o yes, u have 4x8 str more so you can carry more box to hold more precious loot?</P> <P> </P>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> gaarder wrote:<BR> <P>str line: hmmm let me think, o yes, u have 4x8 str more so you can carry more box to hold more precious loot?</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well that and the almost 12% increase to overall crits, and a chunk of extra parry to help with avoidance.

[Niun01]

I don't know. As I said before, I was in Strength/agility for a very long time before i went to strength/wisdom pre-eof.  Now that I've switched over to agility/wisdom and down the hastening line, I will never respec again.  My DPS has grown exponentially.<div></div>

[Thief]

Agi/Wis is simply the formula for Max Dps. Me? I'm the best warlock tank you have ever seen <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Melseb wrote:<BR>It would be interesting to see parses showing how many more spell casts per fight a chain casting warlock gets with the agility line. The bottom line is that I and many many other warlocks are parsing higher with agi/wis than str/wis and this is probably the best explanation for it.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, I was kinda hoping for a few parses.  On the longer term fights it seems like the AGI/WIS lines might be better, I guess I'm concerned about the shorter fights.</P> <P>I do raid, but I do quite a few other things ingame as well.  So I'm more looking to refine my overall damage in all situations, not just raids.</P> <P>With STR/WIS I am consistantly on top of almost every single parse in every single raid I attend already.  If I can squeeze more damage out of that, I'm sure going to look into it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Would you be able to save a couple parses?  Perhaps a few off short term fights, and a couple off longer duration?</P>

[AngryCornFlake]

I'm curious, those of you that go Agi/Wis, since str is not exactly abundant on warlock gear (for good reason), how do you get enough strength to be able to carry anything?  My warlock is a fae and 10str doesn't even allow me to carry some bags.  So do you just pickup one item that's sub-par that has some str on it, to be able to carry anything?  Just wondering.  Agi/Wis line does look quite attractive, but I'd miss the 28 strength, as strange as that is.<div></div>

[Niun01]

<div><blockquote><hr>AngryCornFlake wrote:I'm curious, those of you that go Agi/Wis, since str is not exactly abundant on warlock gear (for good reason), how do you get enough strength to be able to carry anything?  My warlock is a fae and 10str doesn't even allow me to carry some bags.  So do you just pickup one item that's sub-par that has some str on it, to be able to carry anything?  Just wondering.  Agi/Wis line does look quite attractive, but I'd miss the 28 strength, as strange as that is.<div></div><hr></blockquote>You may come across an item or two that has some strength. I know at lvl 70 my strength is... 31.  Not much but enough to carry what I have to.</div>

[KrAzE1]

<P>Maybe I need to give the agi line some more testing. I havent had a chance to really study</P> <P>the parses from last night with the respec and break it apart. Maybe I'm not crit'ing like</P> <P>some of you are but my dps was down from the previous raid in the same zone, same </P> <P>items on and same setup even the same amount of AA's. And I was in real bad shape as far</P> <P>as power. The chain casting was nice but even with the GOG and Pris 2 and a few other power</P> <P>items I was in dire need of a power regen in the group. Going to test that out next and see if I can</P> <P>keep chain casting till the end if it helps my dps. One other thing I noticed is that my dps also dropped</P> <P>on low hit point trash mobs.</P>

[Eldarath]

<P>Currently trying out the agi/wis, was using str/agi before, first indications show that it is definitely not any worse then str/agi, will know more after a few more raids, having 2 warlocks in our raids one str/agi, and one agi/wis we will have some fun competitions.</P>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrAzE1 wrote:<BR> <P>Maybe I need to give the agi line some more testing.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>What kind of stuff do you have?  How many masters?  How is your overall gear?  (How much INT/Disruption)</P> <P>Also, other then the AGI line which did you take?</P>

[KrAzE1]

<DIV>I'm fully fabled mostly KOS a few EOF items except for my pris 2. All T7 masters and missing 2 -T6 masters (Neth Realm, Dark Infestation) both of those AD3. All gear is adorned. Disruption 373, Focus 363, Subjugation 364. Im testing the AGI/Wis line instead of my normal STR/Wis and changed from Explosive maxed with the rest in Hastening to Hastening maxed with rest in Explosive. My total AA's are 85 my int 629 in raid its over 800. In FTH last nite and was down a little less than 200 dps on the merge than I was before <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  what am I doing wrong?</DIV>

[Niun01]

Does Dark infestation even drop anymore?  I have not seen one on the broker or in channel being sold in so so so so long! and now that I need it, it's nowhere to be found.<div></div>

[Sesskia]

Adept III ftw!I haven't seen any other way to get it, except through crafters.<div></div>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrAzE1 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm fully fabled mostly KOS a few EOF items except for my pris 2. All T7 masters and missing 2 -T6 masters (Neth Realm, Dark Infestation) both of those AD3. All gear is adorned. Disruption 373, Focus 363, Subjugation 364. Im testing the AGI/Wis line instead of my normal STR/Wis and changed from Explosive maxed with the rest in Hastening to Hastening maxed with rest in Explosive. My total AA's are 85 my int 629 in raid its over 800. In FTH last nite and was down a little less than 200 dps on the merge than I was before <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  what am I doing wrong?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hrm, your disruption seems a bit on the low side.  Are you finding you get resisted frequently?

[Mastire]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrAzE1 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm fully fabled mostly KOS a few EOF items except for my pris 2. All T7 masters and missing 2 -T6 masters (Neth Realm, Dark Infestation) both of those AD3. All gear is adorned. Disruption 373, Focus 363, Subjugation 364. Im testing the AGI/Wis line instead of my normal STR/Wis and changed from Explosive maxed with the rest in Hastening to Hastening maxed with rest in Explosive. My total AA's are 85 my int 629 in raid its over 800. In FTH last nite and was down a little less than 200 dps on the merge than I was before <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  what am I doing wrong?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Remove the item from your 2ndary slot <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And you should have at minimum 383 disruption/Subdigation.</P>

[KrAzE1]

Bad info because I logged in grabbed my stats from work real quick and forgot i died ant the end of the raid last night. I didnt rebuff lol  buffed focus386, disruption 406, subjugation 397 <div></div>

[Deathspell]

Can someone tell what they cast in e.g. Obelisk of Blight?I have 50/50 fabled/legendary gear and 85% Master1 and 15% adept3 spells.  I think I had about 717 INT, but I'm not sure in that group. I went the STR/WIS lines. Nothing in the Warlock tree yet.I installed ACT and I got out-parsed by a Wizard, a fully fabled bruiser and Assassin.Only on the grouped encounters I could compete but the bruiser and assassing were very close, but seems I immediately drop to 4th place when I skip or hesitate a second on spellcasting... mobs died so fast as well.I assume ACT does not need ajustments and works as intented, so I suck at dps, any help is welcome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Windowlicker]

I've stuck with my Catalyst, Freehand, and 8 points into the first INT.  I guess the reason being I'm looking for a combination that's going to yield the best dps all around.I'm still not running into any other warlocks that are ripping off more damage then me.  I suppose when that day happens I'll probably ask them what setup they're using and alter my AA's.Don't fix what Isn't broken I guess <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Phineus]

<P> Im thinking one will have an advantage in certain fights and the other in another. Im str/agi and have fiddled with wis. Im on a pvp server and didnt feel wis fit my playstyle very well. Im not banging out 3k but aggro is a serious issue. Im generally at 800-1k on solo epics and Im happy with that. Hitting 1000-2500 on groups(mostly on the low side of that). I cannot go all out but feel a 12% reuse bonus is better than 8% higher damage. Im in catalyst mainly for pvp reasons. If I can down 1 opposing player faster It helps my group. If its a caster or healer it gives me the advantage in the intial moments of the fight.</P> <P> I also have aftershocks and focused. Aftershocks is a small bonus(4-5%) and focused is a good way to steal aggro at an innapropriate time. The real bonus for aftershocks is the line and not the final skill.  So in raids I use focused to set up my debuffs and get my pets, procs a few attacks and detuants off. I only attack so that I can use the detaunts. You can get out 30 seconds worth of casting while its on so you can get a lot out there. Our wizards arent close but Im a pretty serious pvper and they arent. I have much better spells and gear. Think Im missing 2 masters (I have the ad3's of course) and I have legendary minimum. Im more zen with the raid dps. I have never topped the parse and am not really trying to. I get beat by 1 swash every time and another sometimes. 1 ranger often. 1 monk and 1 zerker sometimes. I would rather use all the debuffs and power tap than top the dps chart. I think if I could go all out from the start of the fight I might come in second every raid(sept for poets return Ive hit 8k ext dps in there that zone is mine). A properly specd swash will smoke a warlock in raids every time. Of this I am certain. My int is sub 500 unbuffed and this will affect my dps probably more than anything else. I forget the break even point on stats but I went for slightly more balanced stats than put all my eggs in one basket. My wis and agi are pretty high which nets me a lil more survivability in the wild. </P> <P> Ive hit 8k ext dps in a 6 on 6 pvp fight, which is possibly the highest for anyone on the server. What was impressive was that it was a well equiped group from a raiding guild that has access to DT, In other words it wasnt bots in treasured. That is much more important to me than raid zone dps. </P>

[Windowlicker]

<DIV>Yeah see I'm not on a PVP server.  In a labs raid with my current setup I usually throw out an absolute minimum of 1500 dps on each pull, including singles.  On the better pulls I can easily clear 2000 to 2500.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our Swash probably suck, because they never out parse me.  The only people I'm usually wrestling with are hardcore raiding Necro's, Wizards, or other Warlocks.  On the odd occasion the Brigands will get up there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I too like the Explosive line not so much for the end ability, but the 10% boost to damage, and 75% boost to radius that gets tacked onto Apoc etc.  3 to 5% extra overall damage from the aftershocks is NOT that bad though if you think about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now I'll add the Hastenings line with my remaining points and it should pick things up considerably.</DIV>

[Groma]

I just respecced from Stamina(pvp server) to Str 4/4/4/8 Wis 4/5/4/8/1.  in an hour and 10 minutes of actual combat in HoS last night i parsed 1411.93dps The problem with going for faster reuse timers, is with the hastenings/quickcast line, your timers will always be back up by the time you cycle thru the spells you should pretty much always be casting.  Seems like a waste compaired to 8% increased dmg across the board, combined with 25is % freehand sorcery once or twice a fight. I honestly have never specced for the agility line, but i don't see how faster reuse timers would help me with my current hastenings spec because by the time im done cycling thru my typical spell order, everything is back up again. <div></div>

[Andromax1]

<div></div>Im sure someone has mentioned this already, but WIS > AGI > STR So if for some crazy reason you wanted STR over the other 2, then take STR/WIS. For max parsage you will want AGI/WIS. You run out of pwr faster, but you parse higher,  guarunteed. In my experience ive gone up several hundered on my zonewides from STR WIS.As far as<blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote: I honestly have never specced for the agility line, but i don't see how faster reuse timers would help me with my current hastenings spec because by the time im done cycling thru my typical spell order, everything is back up again. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Perhaps you arent using your entire (single target for arguments sake) repetoire, because I have no problem finding something to queue up with my enhanced reuse speeds.

[Groma]

<div></div>What i mean is, by the time i cast netherlord, scourge, dark infestation, war pyre, void distortion, and soul blister, its all up ready for me to cast again. <div></div><p>Message Edited by NadKS on <span class=date_text>01-27-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:17 AM</span>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR> What i mean is, by the time i cast netherlord, scourge, dark infestation, war pyre, void distortion, and soul blister, its all up ready for me to cast again.<BR> <P>Message Edited by NadKS on <SPAN class=date_text>01-27-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:17 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>and if you go full agi and hastening, it'll still all be up and ready to cast, but more often.

[Groma]

I guess i see your point.  Problem is now, i'm already holding back to prevent pulling aggro off the MT.  Did HoS thursday night, parses 1412dps over the duration of the raid, but i died 14 times, #2 on parse.  Did Lyceum last night, was top of the parse at 1205dps, died 8 times(6 to pulling aggro).  I can almost always parse higher, i just don't live long enough that way.  Some fights i can die and still top the parse, but its much more beneficial to the raid if i crank out a tad less damage all at once, and live to kill the mobs over time.  I'm Exiled on a pvp server, so respeccing AAs isn't a very easy task since it requires carting 10p thru the enemy city, but i will see what i can do. <div></div>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>I guess i see your point.  Problem is now, i'm already holding back to prevent pulling aggro off the MT.  Did HoS thursday night, parses 1412dps over the duration of the raid, but i died 14 times, #2 on parse.  Did Lyceum last night, was top of the parse at 1205dps, died 8 times(6 to pulling aggro).  I can almost always parse higher, i just don't live long enough that way.  Some fights i can die and still top the parse, but its much more beneficial to the raid if i crank out a tad less damage all at once, and live to kill the mobs over time.  I'm Exiled on a pvp server, so respeccing AAs isn't a very easy task since it requires carting 10p thru the enemy city, but i will see what i can do.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Str/Agi will fix that, and you'll parse higher than with wis/agi. less aggro spikes means less death, and more consistant damage over time with more crit hits, less min-average hits and the extra power/int/proc from the second symbol. I run 33% crits right now on raids, and it's nice. I stil can't go all out on anything but am the most consistant dps overall. (you'll see a necro spike one battle, and a wizard the next, but i'm always right at the top of the list just below them if they pass me). and go hastening before explosives, more bang for the buck on focused casting. (I spiked 10k on the lyceum fight just before i died. if i had a pally along with my the troub and coercer dehate i woulda lived i know it, and that was before i had aftershock : )<p>Message Edited by TheStateFish on <span class=date_text>01-27-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:00 PM</span>

[TheStateFish]

<BR>Mid-sentence double post. sweet<p>Message Edited by TheStateFish on <span class=date_text>01-27-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:00 PM</span>

[Groma]

Yeah, i'm already finished with the Hastenings line all the way to quickcast.  Working my way down the explosives line.  I was going to do it anyway, so i figure i will toss the last point into Aftershock, even if it isnt all that.  If i was going to max the explosives line regardless, its probably the second best single point i can spend(behind quickcast).Will fool around with it when i get the opportunity to go respec.  I wanna get a good amount of parse data with the current spec before i change, so i have something to compaire it to.<div></div>

[Phineus]

 Having a troub in your group and the illus time compression on you will really drive your dps up. My Illus has the double attack and is working his way down to time compression. Only problem is I cant buff my warlock with my illus so Im gonna have to find another parse freak to buff. Another nice thing is the troub and illus in combat power regen stack. Oh yes, thats a lot of mana to burn.

[Deathspell]

ok, I've STR/WIS at the moment and did a pickup raid in Labs yesterday.From what I remember: 2x70 Warlocks, 67 conjuror, 70 Necromancer, no wizards, 1 ranger, 1 assassin.I showed 2nd place on most parses, but it was only around 700-850.I was followed closely by a bruiser and the nr 1 spot was exclusively for the Assassin who had no match and parsed twice as high.The other Warlock parsed like 450.Even with amends on me, I pulled aggro and my highest parse was 950 i believe.What's going on? How can you guys parse 1200 and up?(I have good gear, 50/50 fabled-legendary and mastered out, so it has to be something I'm doing wrong or not correct or is the difference between STR and AGI line that huge??All tips welcome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Groma]

You said pickup raid, but only mentioned a handful of classes.  If you went in there x2, without many decent buffs, you can count on your parse being pretty weak. Group build wasnt the case, you have to work on your casting order. 1st, make sure you are always casting, there should never be a gap more than .5 sec where you don't have something going.  2nd, always have your dots ticking.  I'm new to this, because war pyre and scourge used to not even be on my hotbar.  Someone told me to make sure my dots are ticking all the time, my dps shot up by 200-300. Your group setup should make the difference from here.  A troub/illusionist can make your dps skyrocket, find one. <div></div>

[Deathspell]

Chaincasting is something I automatically stopped doing really, because of the class really. You get to a point when you're tired of dying, healers and tanks hating you because of the constant aggro pulling. So you let the damage settle a bit or throw in some deaggro.However, I tried not to do slack and I did chaincast (and I pulled aggro as well).I usually open with Dark Infestation and Corrupt Gift when it's up.By the time I've loaded Catalyst and FHS too I start with I Apocalypse or Chaosstorm, Void Abs, Nebula followed by Void Dist, Soul Blister. I keep Chaosstorm ticking all the time. and then toggle between the damage spells that are up.I tried Rift occasionally, but it's a slow cast and reuse time is high, I don't consider it add much to my more "constant" damage.I usually don't debuff with Maehlstrom, etc... because most of the mobs died fast.<div></div>

[Windowlicker]

<div><blockquote><hr>Deathspell wrote:ok, I've STR/WIS at the moment and did a pickup raid in Labs yesterday.What's going on? How can you guys parse 1200 and up?(I have good gear, 50/50 fabled-legendary and mastered out, so it has to be something I'm doing wrong or not correct or is the difference between STR and AGI line that huge??All tips welcome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>I parse between 1500 and 2100 on every pull in Labs and I'm STR/WIS/INT.  I'm almost totally mastered (Aside from a few minor).The key is having nice and high INT, High disruption, and the correct casting order.  Beyond that, you need the raid to stack hate reduction on you.  In my case I usually have mastered amends running, mastered hate transfer with hate reduction coming from at least one more class on top of that.If the planets are not aligned like this, my dps will suffer greatly.</div>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deathspell wrote:<BR>ok, I've STR/WIS at the moment and did a pickup raid in Labs yesterday.<BR>From what I remember: 2x70 Warlocks, 67 conjuror, 70 Necromancer, no wizards, 1 ranger, 1 assassin.<BR><BR>I showed 2nd place on most parses, but it was only around 700-850.<BR>I was followed closely by a bruiser and the nr 1 spot was exclusively for the Assassin who had no match and parsed twice as high.<BR>The other Warlock parsed like 450.<BR>Even with amends on me, I pulled aggro and my highest parse was 950 i believe.<BR><BR>What's going on? How can you guys parse 1200 and up?<BR>(I have good gear, 50/50 fabled-legendary and mastered out, so it has to be something I'm doing wrong or not correct or is the difference between STR and AGI line that huge??<BR><BR>All tips welcome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your prob is your probably AEing to much. War Pyre / Soul Blister / Aura are your friend and should be cast as soon as they refresh. Void Absolution/Nebula/Rift are spells that should only be cast in certain situations.</P> <P>And as for agro, You having deagro matters as much as the MT getting agro. Correct raid setup will probably help u out the most.</P>

[Mastire]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deathspell wrote:<BR>Chaincasting is something I automatically stopped doing really, because of the class really. <BR>You get to a point when you're tired of dying, healers and tanks hating you because of the constant aggro pulling. So you let the damage settle a bit or throw in some deaggro.<BR><BR>However, I tried not to do slack and I did chaincast (and I pulled aggro as well).<BR>I usually open with Dark Infestation and Corrupt Gift when it's up.<BR>By the time I've loaded Catalyst and FHS too I start with I <FONT color=#ff0000>Apocalypse or Chaosstorm, Void Abs, Nebula</FONT> followed by Void Dist, Soul Blister. I keep Chaosstorm ticking all the time. and then toggle between the damage spells that are up.<BR><BR>I tried Rift occasionally, but it's a slow cast and reuse time is high, I don't consider it add much to my more "constant" damage.<BR><BR>I usually don't debuff with Maehlstrom, etc... because most of the mobs died fast.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Starting a fight with those no tank can keep agro. And on sinlge target mobs your wasting DPS by casting Void Abs and nebula, DPS for those spells on single target mobs is low.<BR></DIV>

[Andromax1]

<div></div><div></div>Yeah if youre having problems with agro it is not because of chain casting.  Its spell order.If you think you need to 'stop casting' cast something else besides apoc or void dist.  Maybe dark pyre or scourge, netherlord etc.  Dark pyre tends to do more dps on singles than apocolyse anyways and is far less hate.The only time its worthwhile to use Void Abso or nebula, on singles, is when youre focused casting.  Which is good to throw all your AEs onto a single, in that shorter time, lots of aftershocks procs.<p>Message Edited by Andromax1 on <span class=date_text>01-28-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:50 PM</span>

[Deathspell]

OK, i know very well that a catalysted/FHS Apocalypse will draw aggro, BUT you tell me how you parse in top 3 otherwise.Single nukes are a waste on group encounters. By the time you have thrown in Dark Infestion, Corrupt Gift, Maehlstrom... the mobs are halfway health. Starting to cast catalyst and or Apocalypse now is way too late, unless you want to have it tick once or so.I hope someone can tell me, coz I 'm not getting it.

[Phineus]

<DIV> While Im waiting for tank to get aggro I get corrupt gift, netheros realm, dark infestation, tulmultuous maelstrom, nebula, followed by chaostorm. I can rift almost anytime and use focused casting to get these all set up. Then its just a matter of cycling direct hits for solo or group hits for groups. I have dots and aura running every timer. The troub makes my dark proc almost first following cast. Mana tap early if you think itll be a long one. Debuff if he is killing your tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> If your raids dps is low your dps will be low. If you dont have a troub, illus, dirge, swash and pally. You likely will not be going full boar. As my raid's dps has climbed so has mine. When raid wide dps is 15k-20k you should be able to do 2k no problem. Im actually ditching my warlock in favor of an illusionist for raiding soon. I like the warlock but think the utility of an illus in the right hands will be much more valuable to my guild. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> We pulled a contested a few weeks ago from a raiding guild on our server. Killed their raid and took their mob. Number one on the parse was an illusionist. Had 4 warlocks and 3 rangers present. Blew my mind. One of the warlocks was me but I was once again pulling punches to avoid killing our raid on this mob. I was expecting the raid who spawned the epic to come around the corner at any time but they did not. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://files.filefront.com/badpiewmv/;6549050;;/fileinfo.html" target=_blank>http://files.filefront.com/badpiewmv/;6549050;;/fileinfo.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> What taking a contested looks like for anybody into that sort of thing. </DIV>

[poontang]

<P>Everyone is probably going to make great points about the lines they have chosen, but the only way to know for sure is going to be getting some parse numbers from each set up.</P> <P>I have never tried the AGI line at all, because Ive always been drawn to the increased base damage and crits.</P> <P>I use the STR/WIS set up.....with no catalyst...and sagacity. My extra point is in freehand.</P> <P>I also have my explosive line pretty much done except for Rift, and I got aftershock.</P> <P>I havent started on my Hastening line yet, so Im not gonna have the benefits of that quite yet...I only have 71 AA's atm.</P> <P>We just finished a Labs raid right before I came here....and zonewide I did 1930 DPS with a high his of incinerate at 28k.</P> <P>This was without a troubador on raid, and no crit potions, no synergism......all I had was Paladin amends and Harmonios Link.</P> <P>My spells are all master except Corrupt Gift and Dark Infestation, which are adept 3. I got decent gear, but not great...missing alot of proc items and damage increasers Id like to have.</P> <P> </P> <P>Im interested in the AGI line....but my goal is ultimately max DPS on raids.......Id like to see some more examples of numbers here, parses, whatever per zone to make a good comparison.</P> <P> </P> <P>Qualith</P>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> poontang wrote:<BR> <P>Everyone is probably going to make great points about the lines they have chosen, but the only way to know for sure is going to be getting some parse numbers from each set up.</P> <P>I have never tried the AGI line at all, because Ive always been drawn to the increased base damage and crits.</P> <P>I use the STR/WIS set up.....with no catalyst...and sagacity. My extra point is in freehand.</P> <P>I also have my explosive line pretty much done except for Rift, and I got aftershock.</P> <P>I havent started on my Hastening line yet, so Im not gonna have the benefits of that quite yet...I only have 71 AA's atm.</P> <P>We just finished a Labs raid right before I came here....and zonewide I did 1930 DPS with a high his of incinerate at 28k.</P> <P>This was without a troubador on raid, and no crit potions, no synergism......all I had was Paladin amends and Harmonios Link.</P> <P>My spells are all master except Corrupt Gift and Dark Infestation, which are adept 3. I got decent gear, but not great...missing alot of proc items and damage increasers Id like to have.</P> <P> </P> <P>Im interested in the AGI line....but my goal is ultimately max DPS on raids.......Id like to see some more examples of numbers here, parses, whatever per zone to make a good comparison.</P> <P> </P> <P>Qualith</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I don't have my parses handy, but AGI is where the majority of the increased dps comes from, the debate is whether STR or WIS compliments it better.<BR>

[poontang]

<P>I dont think thats the case at all....there are still several of us that use the STR/WIS set up, and until we can get some good numbers up Im not convinced that AGI is the end all.</P> <P>Qual</P>

[Groma]

I'd like to see that zonewide parse.  I'm fairly well equipped, 9 proc items, all masters but dark infestation, and going balls out with trouby in group im lucky to break 1.7k<div></div>

[Andromax1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:I'd like to see that zonewide parse.  I'm fairly well equipped, 9 proc items, all masters but dark infestation, and going balls out with trouby in group im lucky to break 1.7k<div></div><hr></blockquote>Lucky to break 1.7k zonewide or on singles period?I am spec'd AGI/WIS and have improved considerably since switching from STR/WIS.This was Freethinkers tonight, we were missing our assassins, so our dps wasnt super high. <u>The conjurors both left early</u> so their EXT is fairly low.We had a few bad run ins with Othysis Muruvian, so thats also cut our EXT down a bunch.<b><font color="#6633ff">The Numer format such as 20000 >2000< 10/100 format means Total dmg >DPS< Crits/Hits<font color="#ffffff"></font></font></b><u>Zonewide-</u>Allies: (42:14) 38838547 | 15326.97 [Wizard-Manaburn-53363]Monster (ME) 4678071 >1846< 388/6129Ranger 3386921 >1337< 864/2367Swash 3124023 >1233< 1136/5386Brig 2858802 >1128< 866/5095Conj  2454399 >969< 467/5393Conj 2207247 >871< 543/3993<u>Zyphlax the shredder</u>Allies: (03:35) 3220963 | 14981.22 [Wizard-Manaburn-47103]Monster(ME) 417481 >1942< 45/580Brig 307604 >1431< 114/496Ranger 299828 >1395< 71/185Conj 292350 >1360< 68/581Wizard 284706 >1324< 20/283Conj 275958 >1284< 114/521<u>Othysis Muruvian</u> A few peoples names didnt make it on parse cause they got cloned and it turned them into NPCsaccording to the parser, so this isnt showing our full raid DPS by a long shot.We had trouble with her this time, like I said, cause not enough DPS people online.This was one of our attempts that I was lucky enough not to be cloned on. (stunned the whole fight)<u></u>Allies: (03:12) 2312855 | 12046.12 [Wizard-Ice Nova-9366]Monster(ME) 453530 >2362< 48/590Swash 349563 >1821< 141/664Conj 286912 >1494< 72/406Conj 273619 >1425< 75/596Brig 227098 >1183< 56/395<u>My highest single target parse on raid</u> It was a trash mob, a single vampire sorceror.Allies: (00:51) 907466 | 17793.45 [Wizard-Ice Nova-19535]Monster 132235 >2593< 20/154Swash 79255 >1554< 29/147Wizard 78267 >1535< 7/59Ranger 76728 >1504< 20/47Conj 68926 >1351< 17/140Conj 67173 >1317< 10/145</div>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

Nice parses!Note the inclusion of a Brigand on that raid. If you are only getting 1.7k DPS parses without a brigand, that could explain why. Add the brigand and you could see a dramatic increase.We are all so dependant on each other in this game.<div></div>

[Sesskia]

I respecced from Str/Agi to Agi 44481 + Wis 44480 (Once finished 100 AAs will be 45480) to see what difference I found...and I have to say, Im convinced. I can't post exact parses, but I can say that looking at the graphs, I have gone up by around 200 ExtDPS on raids.  My equip or group setup hasn't really changed significantly, simply the AAs.As a comparator, 77 AAs total, my EOF AAs are full Hastenings with focused casting, and I have a straight min run down explosives to get 1 point in Apoc so far...I will eventually get Aftershocks.<div></div>

[Groma]

I STR/Wis specced in the old tree.  New tree im hastenings all the way to QC, and Explosives almost to Aftershock(90aa, need a few more).  So far my best zonewide is around 1700, but i only started parsing recently so this is for HoS, FTH and LoA only.  Will get a parse in Labs next run, which im sure will be significantly more for me.  Trouby in grp, no hate reduction other than that, and no illusionist.  Do have 2brigs on each of those raids.  Will drop some more data later, but i should definitely be parsing higher somehow. <div></div>

[Deathspell]

Yeh, I was wondering if people chose faster casting in both trees, AGI and Hastenings, to get their improved DPS.<div></div>

[Andromax1]

<div><blockquote><hr>Deathspell wrote:Yeh, I was wondering if people chose faster casting in both trees, AGI and Hastenings, to get their improved DPS.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Most definately...</div>

[Melseb]

<div></div>Yes. You cast WAY more spells per fight and it's quite noticable youre doing more damage even before the parse is posted. Ive been tweaking my spell rotation and was getting 2.2k dps on single target in EH last night. AGI and Hastenings ftw. Its hard for alot of warlocks to believe that it is better to have 3 extra void distortions and 2 extra war pyres per fight instead of an apocalypse that ticks for 1200 more per tick.Daenarys70 WarlockMob SquadKithicor<div></div><p>Message Edited by Melseb on <span class=date_text>02-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:53 AM</span>

[Melseb]

<div><blockquote><hr>Deathspell wrote:OK, i know very well that a catalysted/FHS Apocalypse will draw aggro, BUT you tell me how you parse in top 3 otherwise.Single nukes are a waste on group encounters. By the time you have thrown in Dark Infestion, Corrupt Gift, Maehlstrom... the mobs are halfway health. Starting to cast catalyst and or Apocalypse now is way too late, unless you want to have it tick once or so.I hope someone can tell me, coz I 'm not getting it.<hr></blockquote>I dont have catalyst and i usually use FHS on rift. On group encounters you precast netherous realm + corrupt gift first. Then have fhs + rift land right as the mobs are pulled back to the raid (remember no aggro for that one). Then just make sure you are in range to use chaostorm. Infestation ->Apoc -> interference -> consussive -> chaostorm -> absolution -> Nebula (but ONLY if there are 4+ mobs, if only 3 or less cast nihility and VD if chaostorm or absolution isnt up = more dmg) -> /repeat.Then just make sure that you use absolution over VD if there is more that one mob and always always spam chaostorm. This rotation (or something very similar) will get you at top of parse 3+ mob encounters. Necros will give you competition if they use lifeburn but you should usually be top dps. Dont be happy with getting 3rd place on encounters like that. Its what warlocks are designed for.</div>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Andromax1 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I am spec'd AGI/WIS and have improved considerably since switching from STR/WIS.<BR><BR>This was Freethinkers tonight, we were missing our assassins, so our dps wasnt super high. <U>The conjurors both left early</U> so their EXT is fairly low.<BR><BR>We had a few bad run ins with Othysis Muruvian, so thats also cut our EXT down a bunch.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Your post convinced me to give it a shot.  I've never respec'd my Warlock, so it was a freebie at any rate.</P> <P>Tonight we'll be makin a run at LoA, and I'll be watching my parser on my second monitor throughout the raid.  I may keep myself spec'd AGI/WIS until i'm able to take a few runs at Labs as well .. mainly because I'm more familier with my damage output there.</P> <P> </P> <P>Things I've noticed immediately:</P> <P>- I can no longer carry a strongbox, so my carrying capacity is GREATLY reduced.  I've had to bank much of the inventory I had on my character because my STR is so low.</P> <P>- My INT is 32 points lower.  This of course has dropped my powerpool, and reduced my damage marginally.</P> <P>- I can no longer use the 2handed version of my godking weapon without completely eliminating one of my AA lines.</P> <P> </P> <P>I'll post my findings once I've been able to test it out a little better.  With my old setup I was consistantly #1 on the parses on virtually every pull while raiding with my guild.  If there is a damage increase, I should be able to notice it.  If there's a decrease, some of those up-and-comers that get close to me will likely pass me.</P>

[Groma]

I respecced and raided as a str/agi spec last night.  I'm raid leader and end up pulling half the time depending on the zones, so my parse isn't always as high as it could be considering i'm not just dps from start to finish.  VERY pleased with Str/Agi over Str/Wis.  Also, finishing claymore with Blood of the Brood Watcher, allows me to have 2 proc items in Secondary/ranged instead of leaving 1 slot empty.  Regardless, without the proc, i noticed AT LEAST a 200dps increase with the new spec.  Appreciate the advice, turned out to be very beneficial to me. <div></div>

[Groma]

<div></div>Respecced Str/Agi, Hastenings/Explosives(with aftershock).  This is tonight's Lyceum run for my guild.<span class="postbody">Allies: (40:5<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 38200491 | 15541.29 [Wiz-Fusion-28062]Gromann 4165119 | 1694.52Wizard 3843757 | 1563.77Necro 2919668 | 1187.82Assassin 2907941 | 1183.05Assassin 2882256 | 1172.60Berzerker 2515029 | 1023.20Assassin 2484624 | 1010.83Brigand 2240103 | 911.35Brigand 2223815 | 904.73Ranger 2175018 | 884.87I could have probably parsed a bit higher, but was in charge of rooting adds on Gnillaw, so virtually no dps that entire fight.  Happy with the new AA spec, thanks for the advice fellas.</span><div></div>

[EpokSilvermo]

<div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:<div></div><span class="postbody">Necro 2919668 | 1187.82Assassin 2907941 | 1183.05Assassin 2882256 | 1172.60Assassin 2484624 | 1010.83Brigand 2240103 | 911.35Brigand 2223815 | 904.73Ranger 2175018 | 884.87</span><hr></blockquote>This parse should be the ninja AFK alert for your raid leader <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Deathspell]

<div></div>Are you guys going the full AA lines? AGI 4/4/4/41WIS 4/4/4/4/1or something like:AGi 4/4/4/4/1WIS 4/4/4/8/0?The last ability from the WIS line gives a 12% reduced power cost.Which could be nice if spells used less power especially when you cast more/faster spells.You divided those points on Brainstorm to enhance base damage or on FHS?As for the EOF lines, would you pick War Pyre or Thwart to continue to Void Distortion?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Deathspell on <span class=date_text>02-03-2007</span> <span class=time_text>05:24 AM</span>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Deathspell wrote:<div></div>Are you guys going the full AA lines? AGI 4/4/4/41WIS 4/4/4/4/1or something like:AGi 4/4/4/4/1WIS 4/4/4/8/0?The last ability from the WIS line gives a 12% reduced power cost.Which could be nice if spells used less power especially when you cast more/faster spells.You divided those points on Brainstorm to enhance base damage or on FHS?As for the EOF lines, would you pick War Pyre or Thwart to continue to Void Distortion?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Deathspell on <span class="date_text">02-03-2007</span> <span class="time_text">05:24 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I completely skipped thwart.  I wanted to max the other options, and still have enough points to max explosives, get Aftershock, and still have the 3 points needed to dispel magic/nox so that i could yank the dmg shields off raid mobs in MMIS.  There is a cloak inside of Castle Mistmoore, drops in the library, that procs a huge power drain.  I parsed it in DT the other night, and it turned out to give me over 30k power in less than an hour of combat.  To put it into perspective;  last time we cleared Lyceum, i was Str/Wis specced with the 12% reduced power cost, and did not have that cloak.  On Vilucidae, i was out of power and spamming the regens when he hit Stance of Thule at 25%.  Last night, with the new spec and having that cloak, i never had to use my power regen spells on myself, and the raid dps was only different by about 250.  Would rather get a cloak that is capable of benefitting me more than wast 8 points in an ability that would be much better spent elsewhere.</div>

[Windowlicker]

Our LoA raid last night was missing our regular Brigand, and very light on DPS casters.  I was ripping off some huge damage, but I usually do anyways.  I'll probably need a couple more raids to really get a good feel for how AGI/WIS is working for me.I might give STR/AGI a try after this.One thing I've noticed immediately it's not as easy to pull of single target damage with STR/AGI as the STR/WIS/INT combo I was using before.<div></div>

[Deathspell]

Just to let know that I went AGI/WIS. I don't think I do more damage (still have to look into that) BUT, I do like the class more now. It feels so much more "lively" to play a Warlock now. I was pleased about the STR/WIS line, but now I just realise how slow it all was <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[RFMan]

Has anyone checked out the str/agi spec post-GU32?  Right now, I'm 4/4/6/8/2 agi 4/7/4/8/2 wis, but the last point on the wisdom tree doesn't enhance damage at all; however, it's a waste not to get it, since it's so close. I'm thinking of respeccing to 4/4/7/8/2 str and 4/4/6/8/2 agi.  Not only would this allow for two dps-increasing final skills, it would also allow you to wield something in the offhand, increasing your int further.  This seems almost ideal: you cast quickly, get critical hits, and can ensure that your apocalypse always drops a train on them.  The only problem I see is that it may make our dps very inconsistant, which was one thing I liked about agi/wis. In fact, I think I'm going to log on and do this right now.  This would help tremendously in soloing, which is what I do most frequently.

[poontang]

<cite>RFMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Has anyone checked out the str/agi spec post-GU32?  Right now, I'm 4/4/6/8/2 agi 4/7/4/8/2 wis, but the last point on the wisdom tree doesn't enhance damage at all; however, it's a waste not to get it, since it's so close. I'm thinking of respeccing to 4/4/7/8/2 str and 4/4/6/8/2 agi.  Not only would this allow for two dps-increasing final skills, it would also allow you to wield something in the offhand, increasing your int further.  This seems almost ideal: you cast quickly, get critical hits, and can ensure that your apocalypse always drops a train on them.  The only problem I see is that it may make our dps very inconsistant, which was one thing I liked about agi/wis. In fact, I think I'm going to log on and do this right now.  This would help tremendously in soloing, which is what I do most frequently. </blockquote><p> Parse it for a little while and let us know.....Im currently WIS/AGI...and now that i can get Sagacity along with the added casting speed I love it.</p><p> Would be hard for me to switch now, but Id be interested in STR/AGI for the same reasons you mentioned...higher crits and getting to use an offhand item.</p><p>Qual</p>

[Groma]

I've specced it all, and by far happiest with the Str/Agi spec over any of it.  Currently specced int/Agi, and will stay that way unless they revamp the AA lines completely.  The only time i wish i had specced Wis over Str is when i have time compression on me, since i tend to run out of power a whole lot faster.