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[Xgal]

<DIV>I hear no one here  complaining to the devs that summoners especially necros own you in dps with absolutely no maintenance (hate reducers etc.). All the proc items help us more then you and we have zero hate and power issues. in fact if your necro in your guild isnt beating you on the parse he sucks. where is the outrage?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>=)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yes im a necro </DIV>

[valkyrja]

<div><blockquote><hr>XgaloX wrote:<div>I hear no one here  complaining to the devs that summoners especially necros own you in dps with absolutely no maintenance (hate reducers etc.). All the proc items help us more then you and we have zero hate and power issues. in fact if your necro in your guild isnt beating you on the parse he sucks. where is the outrage?</div> <div> </div> <div>=)</div> <div> </div> <div>yes im a necro </div><hr></blockquote>Because we have the most fun class to play, so there is no reason for us to be jealous.  If anything you're jealous that you have to play a boring Necro!  And also because we're in a nice comfy spot where we don't have to worry that we'll be nerfed each update (unlike some other classes)=)</div>

[JohnDoe058]

<P>What's the point in expressing outrage, when the devs obviously don't give a rat's end about us, and don't trouble themselves to read these forums anyway?  What you are talking about just adds insult to injury that our end-line EoF AP's are utterly useless.</P> <P>We would express more distaste for these things, but most of us have given up, seeing that our cries fall upon deaf ears.</P> <P>There's no mystery as to why over 2 million people have tried EQ2, yet scantly over 100,000 still play: the devs really don't care about their player base.  "Class balance" is on their list, but very low down.  They seem to be more concerned with adding quests, than they are with making all classes viable in the end game.</P>

[ailees]

and as you can see, some people allways crying.I enjoy being a wizard, have been since beta, I enjoy EQ2, i enjoy EOF.why should I look at warlock ? I don't even give 10 seconds at thinking about it.<div></div>

[SacDaddy420]

really nice attempt at starting some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on the boards here.   Go be 14 years old somewhere else please.  kkthxbye<div></div>

[Angre]

<DIV>I will gladly Wii Box the original poser...I mean poster.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am so torn right now between this expansion, Zelda and Wii boxing. Wii boxing is currently beating everything out. I finally got all the movments figuried out for the right hooks. Man it just kicks so much [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Three hundred more points and I am pro!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>+1 to Nintendo for this new technology in controllers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well its not really new but it is close to being perfected. I can't wait to see some version of street fighter to come out for it.</DIV>

[Zyphius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sparql wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> XgaloX wrote:<BR> <DIV>I hear no one here  complaining to the devs that summoners especially necros own you in dps with absolutely no maintenance (hate reducers etc.). All the proc items help us more then you and we have zero hate and power issues. in fact if your necro in your guild isnt beating you on the parse he sucks. where is the outrage?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>=)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yes im a necro</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Because we have the most fun class to play, so there is no reason for us to be jealous.  If anything you're jealous that you have to play a boring Necro!  And also because we're in a nice comfy spot where we don't have to worry that we'll be nerfed each update (unlike some other classes)<BR><BR>=)<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Correction, we SHOULDN'T hahve to worry that we'll be nerfed each update... or we don't have to worry about there being a good reason for us to be nerfed each update... But for some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] unknown reason, we still do. ::shrug::

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> XgaloX wrote:<BR> <DIV>I hear no one here  complaining to the devs that summoners especially necros own you in dps with absolutely no maintenance (hate reducers etc.). All the proc items help us more then you and we have zero hate and power issues. in fact if your necro in your guild isnt beating you on the parse he sucks. where is the outrage?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>=)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yes im a necro </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>and your point of this post is??  Maybe we should take this thread over to the necro forums so they can castrate you for trying to start a flame war.</P> <P>who cares about other classes dps, wizards are fine where they are at.<BR></P>

[Thibor24]

<DIV>Wizards dont complain because they can look over the fence at the warlock crowd and go ah well we could be worse.</DIV>

[Zyphius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wizards dont complain because they can look over the fence at the warlock crowd and go ah well we could be worse.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't get it. Why do so many people dis the warlock DPS? The only problem with warlocks is insane AoE aggro... IF they can keep that tamed (and sometimes, with some work and other classes, they can), they do INSANE DPS on raids... since SO MANY raids are multiple mobs. Our guild warlock kicks my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] bigger than [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] when he is trying on multi-mob encounters, but not as likely on singles. Sorceres are balanced with each other, in that regard (for the most part); aggro is the only thing that keeps them at bay (and a dead warlock is 0 dps just like a dead wizard).

[wckron]

Trash grp mobs in  raid zone doesnt count as DPS since they go down so fast (most of the time 30 sec or less to get them dead ), named encounter is where it counts . Even if a named that comes with adds, the warlock is limited to not pumping out all his big AoE DoT unless they wanna die in the first 10 sec. And if u wonder why we dis the warlock DPS, one solution, betrayed to a warlock, play around with him and see.<div></div>

[Wilko1981]

<div><blockquote><hr>XgaloX wrote:<div>I hear no one here  complaining to the devs that summoners especially necros own you in dps with absolutely no maintenance (hate reducers etc.). All the proc items help us more then you and we have zero hate and power issues. in fact if your necro in your guild isnt beating you on the parse he sucks. where is the outrage?</div> <div> </div> <div>=)</div> <div> </div> <div>yes im a necro </div><hr></blockquote>Move along troll boy, you will find no food here <span>:smileywink:</span><span></span></div>

[Fews]

<DIV>Well, he has a point. Troll or not(he has very few posts, but accounts been around since game start it seems)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Myself I just get tired of trying to explain it. Course I am only looking at Raiding, since for everyone in my guild, most grouping/zones/etc, are cakewalks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Who knows if devs read these posts in any case. I enjoy being a wizard in any case, but I prefer better balance. I want to see the classes who primary purpose is DPS, who have to risk the most to do it, or have to have the most support classes supporting them to shine DPS wise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A well-played necro should out dps the wizard if the wizard have no other classes helping them manage agro(i.e. no troub or coercer buffs). But currently they(Necros) outdps in almost all conditions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A newbie (relative to a Necro who knows his class ) high level Necro even with great gear and spells will parse about 1100-1400 in many fights. A well played one with medicore gear but knows the right spells/sequencing to use will parse 1800-2100+ single target, 2300+(Up to almost 3K and beyond in the right fights) on multi-target.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Powerful Aoes should make a necro's job tougher than it makes a wizard. This it does.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They have a lot more utility and flexibility. That bothers me not.</DIV> <DIV>They have awesome aggro management built-in and top tier DPS. Yea, irks me. But eh, I don't think it worth much of my time trying to get SOE to see a wizzy point of view on this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Necros been the flavor of the month since Warlocks and Rangers. Look what happened to those classes once SOE proved it to themselves that they way outperformed. Since only NEcros who know the right things to do seem to parse high, maybe the statistics SOE gathers won't reveal the issue and Necros will continue to shine beyond measure rarely giving others a place to light up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a completely seperate tangent concerning game balance. The talk now is that tanks are able to tank raid zones in treasured cloth pieces better than in Plate Fabled due to the flattening gain in mit and the value of bumping up avoidance.  Hope they don't nerf the cloth, but find some way of changing Plate wearing  tanks so that they don't all start wearing cloth.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The joys of balancing a very complicated game with too many classes and too many formulas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Fewson on <span class=date_text>11-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:56 AM</span>

[JohnDoe059]

<P>I don't wish nerfs on any class.  If you aint a warlock/wizard or a Ranger/assassin you are not T1 DPS and should not even come near our DPS.  Is this complaining?  Um hell yeah! Would you complain after I kicked you in the ntus.  Since I cant walk over to SOE and choke script writers to vent my grievances (because that is illegal),   WOW blows goats, and Vangaurd aint out yet. I will scream <STRONG><U>FIX MY CLASS!, and not with a nerf bat</U></STRONG></P> <P>Cut the timers in half on Ice nova and fusion.  Don't change the damage.  Give us a 30% hate transfer like the scouts have, Or how about lose the damage variance on all our spells and set them to the maximum number.  This could be done in 1 night.  You obviously do not want to fix the problem.  So instead of having 2,000,000 people playing a game they like, you now have 100,000 people playing a game you like.  Way to go script writers!  </P> <P>Is that good business?</P> <P>Message Edited by bigfkngun on <SPAN class=date_text>12-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:08 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by bigfkngun on <span class=date_text>12-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:05 AM</span>

[Myr]

<div><blockquote><hr>XgaloX wrote:<div>I hear no one here  complaining to the devs that summoners especially necros own you in dps with absolutely no maintenance (hate reducers etc.). All the proc items help us more then you and we have zero hate and power issues. in fact if your necro in your guild isnt beating you on the parse he sucks. where is the outrage?</div> <div> </div> <div>=)</div> <div> </div> <div>yes im a necro </div><hr></blockquote>I love my wizard..... move along......</div>

[Nethis]

<div><blockquote><hr>bigfkngun wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>I don't wish nerfs on any class.  If you aint a warlock/wizard or a Ranger/assassin you are not T1 DPS and should not even come near our DPS.  <strong><u></u></strong></p> <p>Cut the timers in half on Ice nova and fusion.  Don't change the damage.  Give us a 30% hate transfer like the scouts have, Or how about lose the damage variance on all our spells and set them to the maximum number. </p><p>Message Edited by bigfkngun on <span class="date_text">12-01-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:08 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>That isn't class balancing.</div>

[Mortimus V.]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bigfkngun wrote:<BR> <P>I don't wish nerfs on any class.  If you aint a warlock/wizard or a Ranger/assassin you are not T1 DPS and should not even come near our DPS.  Is this complaining?  Um hell yeah! Would you complain after I kicked you in the ntus.  Since I cant walk over to SOE and choke script writers to vent my grievances (because that is illegal),   WOW blows goats, and Vangaurd aint out yet. I will scream <STRONG><U>FIX MY CLASS!, and not with a nerf bat</U></STRONG></P> <P>Cut the timers in half on Ice nova and fusion.  Don't change the damage.  Give us a 30% hate transfer like the scouts have, Or how about lose the damage variance on all our spells and set them to the maximum number.  This could be done in 1 night.  You obviously do not want to fix the problem.  So instead of having 2,00,000 people playing a game they like, you now have 100,000 people playing a game you like.  Way to go script writers!  </P> <P>Is that good business?</P> <P>Message Edited by bigfkngun on <SPAN class=date_text>12-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:08 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hmm... can anyone craft a "Don't Feed The Trolls" sign for me?  Any carpenters in the house?  :smileyvery-happy: