Disillusioned Level 50 Paladin.

demonevs · 06-17-2005, 02:14 PM

Well I think my honeymoon period is over and im sat in the dust wondering - what next?

I created this char in November and about a month ago I dinged 50.
And im now sat around wondering what to do next.
Im in a pretty strong guild on splitpaw, we regularly raid in an alliance, but im sat there doing nothing in between wednesdays and sundays when this happens.
For raids, my paladin is nothing more than a rez bot. It cant hold aggro as well as a zerker, cant tank as well as a guardian
It was a superb solo class, but now ive maxed out my level - there's nothing *too* solo SMILEY

Ive done most of the heritages (the decent ones, geb, screaming mace etc) the rest left are crap lol

I've tried a few other classes to near 30, but nothing comes close to how 'capable and fun' the paladin was up to level 50.

- Templar, great solo, better xp solo than grouped - has become a chore of regen, run in spam smite ho's.
- Warlock, 3 button king, useless xp without a group unless you are happy grinding solo's.
- Brig/Bard, good fun get splattered solo unless you kite

What im kinda looking for is something as fun solo as the paladin, useful in groups and when i get it to level 50 - is useful in a raid.

My paladin @ 50's kinda redundant, fabled gear, leet spells yadda yadda -but jack of all trades and master of none.

Im not trying to bring a downer on the class, but can anyone give any suggestions of a class thats as good to play up to 50? (i.e you dont MIND grinding with no vit as its fun)

Cheers for any help all

Caslav · 06-17-2005, 05:48 PM

Well I can sympathize with you, sort of. Last night I hit 32 and came to the conclusion, I was not having fun playing EQ2 anymore. So I cancelled and removed EQ2 from the computer. I don't have any major gripes with the game, however, it is just a game. I needed to send some PM's to folks saying good-bye, but this is pretty much it for EQ2 and me today. Free time is a chereshed thing. If I am not having fun doing something, its time to move on.

There is always another game. Some hold interest longer than others. I've had three hold my interest for longer than a year each. The Quake series of FPS games, DAoC, and Diablo 2. Each one of those games had something special, a hook that kept me coming back for more. In Quake, it was pure skill and thrill of team deathmatch. In DAoC, it was pride and defense of your "realm". It kept you grinding away leveling until weeee hours of the morning. In Diablo 2, it was the Battlenet rankings....looking and seeing where you stood gave you a sense of accomplishment.

In the end I did not find that hook in EQ2 that would keep me. I have all legendary gear for a lvl 32 paladin. I look like I'm wearing a rusty suit. Decidely not fun. I feel like I have experienced all the game has to offer except maybe for raids. However, I've been on raids before in DAoC to kill Goldenstadt the dragon, so again there was nothing new in the end game here. EQ2 is a beautiful game and I am sure in time it will develop into a great MMO.

I think the next MMO I try wll be Dungeond and Dragons Online. Leveling there is going to be based on the quests you complete, not the amount of mobs you kill. It seems that its a new direction and definitely different than killing the same mobs over and over and over. In the meantime, Battlefield 2 is where I'll be.

Later

Valian1 · 06-17-2005, 06:09 PM

Heh, how about Paladin again?

Well, I've found out that Fury is pretty fun, ive got my alt to 20 so far with minimal work. Maybe you could start tradeskilling? And if you dont like caster or scout, maybe try out doing a zerker or guard.

Syf · 06-17-2005, 07:43 PM

Maybe try a shadowknight? and see how the evil side of the crusader suits you.

Avigat · 06-17-2005, 11:44 PM

The class is what you make of it. I find alot more to do than being a rez bot.

If your guildies are constantly dying on raids, you should have a chat with them to change their tactics.

And grind writs till the next expansion SMILEY

Hogom · 06-18-2005, 12:44 AM

I'd reccomend a Fury as well. They work well solo, small group and full group, and their varying abilities between damage and healing work great together.

You also might want to give zerker a shot, the damage potential combined with heavy armor make them very survivable solo, just like us paladins.

Dasein · 06-18-2005, 01:02 AM

I'm at about the same point - I started back in November and hit 50 a few weeks ago. However, I have as much to do now as I did when I was 40 or 30. My quest journal is still consistently full, and there's stuff for me to do solo, grouped or in a raid. We also have a number of guildmates coming up through the ranks in the high 30s - low 40s, and so I'm helping them out with their quests and working on building a good raiding force. Then there's guild writs, house decorating, RP events, crafting and an couple of alts to play. With Splitpaw coming out in a couple of weeks, I'm not at all worried about running out of things to do before the expansion arrives.

Pilo · 06-18-2005, 07:26 AM

Sunshine? A good book? Flying lessons (my personal reccomendation)? Heck, even a different game? These are all options too. I'm not saying quit, but if you aren't having fun stop playing for a while. If there's nothing to do to advance your character you won't even miss out on anything by not playing. Come back when you feel like it or when more content is added to the game that would be something you'd like to try.

BlackW · 06-18-2005, 05:37 PM

demonevs wrote:

Well I think my honeymoon period is over and im sat in the dust wondering - what next?

I created this char in November and about a month ago I dinged 50.
And im now sat around wondering what to do next.
Im in a pretty strong guild on splitpaw, we regularly raid in an alliance, but im sat there doing nothing in between wednesdays and sundays when this happens.
For raids, my paladin is nothing more than a rez bot. It cant hold aggro as well as a zerker, cant tank as well as a guardian
It was a superb solo class, but now ive maxed out my level - there's nothing *too* solo
Ive done most of the heritages (the decent ones, geb, screaming mace etc) the rest left are crap lol

I've tried a few other classes to near 30, but nothing comes close to how 'capable and fun' the paladin was up to level 50.

- Templar, great solo, better xp solo than grouped - has become a chore of regen, run in spam smite ho's.
- Warlock, 3 button king, useless xp without a group unless you are happy grinding solo's.
- Brig/Bard, good fun get splattered solo unless you kite

What im kinda looking for is something as fun solo as the paladin, useful in groups and when i get it to level 50 - is useful in a raid.

My paladin @ 50's kinda redundant, fabled gear, leet spells yadda yadda -but jack of all trades and master of none.

Im not trying to bring a downer on the class, but can anyone give any suggestions of a class thats as good to play up to 50? (i.e you dont MIND grinding with no vit as its fun)

Cheers for any help all

Excellent post! :smileyvery-happy:

I am not lvl 50 yet, waiting for my guild to catch up to tier5. I made a second, high-elf Paladin as an experiment and to help my guild. I poured all that I learned from the first Paladin into him. He is VERY strong, stronger than you might imagine from a high elf. I have also done all of the quests that I skipped with my frist Paladin, especially HQs and have found them all to be fun. I have also invested in Adept III skills with my new Paladin and the results have been very good. I have no trouble tanking or holding agro with any mob near my lvl.

EQ2 is also about people and relationships. I have been using both of my Paladins to mentor and help others in my guild. Roleplaying a Paladin is also always fun. Eventually every game gets old and then it is about community, people and relationships.

The expansion is coming in September and you will be able to move beyond lvl 50 then :smileywink:

jshari · 06-19-2005, 01:23 AM

yeah i feel that the closer i get. i would suggest any mage class, mostry wizard or Enchanter. high dmg, and power pumpers. but furys are fun too. Ive always wanted to make a char and make him the fastest bard in the game. but thats just my little dream

Rellikd · 06-19-2005, 01:40 AM

On eq1 i quit my paladin for a necromancer. I'd try that here, i think something good is coming for necro's similar to their power in eq1.

MickM · 06-19-2005, 02:36 PM

hehe if u are bored from eq2 imo your arent playing the game to its full. there is endless content to discover and do. i've been 50 for a while and i always have something to keep me busy when i play. and just when u think there isnt something to do sony always comes out with something new i.e adventure pack or expansion. and to say to Caslav i dont think imo you really have experienced the game to its fullest. a paladin really doesnt pick up till about 40-45.... at least to me it didnt. jus the other night i pulled 242dps in a raid fight.... while taking time to rez and heal others which is pretty good for a char that has a rep for being worthless on the dps department. mid gaming really isnt much of a challenge untill u start to raid and then its a thrill... i'm a old eq1 player and i played it for a good 4yrs and it never got boring and neither has eq2 for me. maybe and mmo jus isnt for you. fps pose no real accomplishment imo then being faster then the other person....anyone can aim crosshairs its jus who can do them faster. D2 has nothing on eq2....literally can beat the game in a day start to finish.... only other thing to do is pvp which is really boring. theres just too much stuff in eq2 to ever be bored. and if u get tired make a diff class and play it up and take a different route to 50.....cuz theres no way u played every little zone or exp spot to get your first char to 50. new stuff is added all the time. i don't see why people don't like killing the solo mobs. thats what they're there for is for people to solo them. i have a dirge alt and i can do mobs for a faster and better exp ratio then i could in a grp. you jus gota find the right spot cuz indeed there are the "hotspots" for l33t exp grinding hehe.

TrueRuneCra · 06-19-2005, 06:36 PM

"It cant hold aggro as well as a zerker, cant tank as well as a guardian"

Haha. Sorry, but you musn't know how to you play your class effectively. I'm a lv50 paladin and have main tanked every raid mob currently in the game at one point or another. I don't lose aggro and I tank as well as a Guardian.

Paladins are not broken, and I'm shocked every time I read these forums. So many people complaining for absolutely no reason.

Titali · 06-20-2005, 08:11 AM

well rune you get 5 stars from me based solely upon the ninja 1 stars. ive never had much of an issue myself either. i really cant wait for the combat changes and the spell/skill revamps myself, just curious as to how things are going to turn out.

demonevs · 06-20-2005, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the replies - seems the best route is perhaps another class to 50. And in response to Rune, ahem I do - I know how to build aggro and keep it held - against a zerk going all out, not a chance towards the end of the battle if power's getting low, if powers still high then I often keep it, but a good zerk can hold it better than me, and are much faster at pulling apart a group (i.e main /adds) so it can be split between two groups. Guardians on paper *are* better end game tankers, and zerks *are* better at generating aggro. I can only assume you either play with poor guardians/zerkers or just play in a big guild on a very small populace server.

Troodon · 06-20-2005, 07:09 PM

I can appreciaete your situation demonevs, after hitting 50 a couple of weeks ago Im in it too. Splitpaw is fortunate to have a guild alliance: a lot of the smaller guilds have got together providing a means to quest and raid: a means to fend off the predatory cherry picking of members of the smaller guilds by raiding guilds, allowing less hardcore people a taste a raiding. The alliance is still finding its feet, but the hard work is begining to pay off. So far raid recruitment has been rather unorganized: a raid is anounced and people start turning up. With the last raid on Zalak, there were over 30 people waiting hoping for a chance to take down Zalak, myself amoungst them and undesirable it seems. :p Even when Im lucky enough to get a chance to go on a raid Im certainly not wanted as a Fighter, just a psuedoPriest, not exactly what I spent 50 levels trying to achieve. Should a real priest be available I guess Id be left on the reserve bench. Theres still the posibility of the Combat Changes shaking things up, relaxing the Warrior strangle hold on raid tanking, but I dont hold out much hope. Rather than trying to aim at designing encounters and engineering the classes so that particular Fighter classes are more suitable at against particular mobs, or at least has some key role to play on a raid, they're backing away from the notion of the Archetype and solidying the status quo after a few tweaks.

krabpeop · 06-21-2005, 06:02 AM

PvP is coming...

Alluin · 06-29-2005, 04:03 PM

Holding aggro can be done if done right. I tanked the EL Spirit Monk (forget his name) whilst my partnered beserker went (in his own words) 'all out dps' The point being we didn't have any other dps classes and it was better for me a 46 Paladin to tank whilst him the 49 beserker with an EBBC did the damage. Didn't lose aggro once :smileyvery-happy:

06-17-2005, 02:14 PM	#1
demonevs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	Well I think my honeymoon period is over and im sat in the dust wondering - what next? I created this char in November and about a month ago I dinged 50. And im now sat around wondering what to do next. Im in a pretty strong guild on splitpaw, we regularly raid in an alliance, but im sat there doing nothing in between wednesdays and sundays when this happens. For raids, my paladin is nothing more than a rez bot. It cant hold aggro as well as a zerker, cant tank as well as a guardian It was a superb solo class, but now ive maxed out my level - there's nothing too solo Ive done most of the heritages (the decent ones, geb, screaming mace etc) the rest left are crap lol I've tried a few other classes to near 30, but nothing comes close to how 'capable and fun' the paladin was up to level 50. - Templar, great solo, better xp solo than grouped - has become a chore of regen, run in spam smite ho's. - Warlock, 3 button king, useless xp without a group unless you are happy grinding solo's. - Brig/Bard, good fun get splattered solo unless you kite What im kinda looking for is something as fun solo as the paladin, useful in groups and when i get it to level 50 - is useful in a raid. My paladin @ 50's kinda redundant, fabled gear, leet spells yadda yadda -but jack of all trades and master of none. Im not trying to bring a downer on the class, but can anyone give any suggestions of a class thats as good to play up to 50? (i.e you dont MIND grinding with no vit as its fun) Cheers for any help all

06-17-2005, 05:48 PM	#2
Caslav Lord Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 44	Well I can sympathize with you, sort of. Last night I hit 32 and came to the conclusion, I was not having fun playing EQ2 anymore. So I cancelled and removed EQ2 from the computer. I don't have any major gripes with the game, however, it is just a game. I needed to send some PM's to folks saying good-bye, but this is pretty much it for EQ2 and me today. Free time is a chereshed thing. If I am not having fun doing something, its time to move on. There is always another game. Some hold interest longer than others. I've had three hold my interest for longer than a year each. The Quake series of FPS games, DAoC, and Diablo 2. Each one of those games had something special, a hook that kept me coming back for more. In Quake, it was pure skill and thrill of team deathmatch. In DAoC, it was pride and defense of your "realm". It kept you grinding away leveling until weeee hours of the morning. In Diablo 2, it was the Battlenet rankings....looking and seeing where you stood gave you a sense of accomplishment. In the end I did not find that hook in EQ2 that would keep me. I have all legendary gear for a lvl 32 paladin. I look like I'm wearing a rusty suit. Decidely not fun. I feel like I have experienced all the game has to offer except maybe for raids. However, I've been on raids before in DAoC to kill Goldenstadt the dragon, so again there was nothing new in the end game here. EQ2 is a beautiful game and I am sure in time it will develop into a great MMO. I think the next MMO I try wll be Dungeond and Dragons Online. Leveling there is going to be based on the quests you complete, not the amount of mobs you kill. It seems that its a new direction and definitely different than killing the same mobs over and over and over. In the meantime, Battlefield 2 is where I'll be. Later __________________ Caslav Macenvanje Paladin of Qeynos

06-17-2005, 07:43 PM	#4
Syf Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	Maybe try a shadowknight? and see how the evil side of the crusader suits you. __________________

06-18-2005, 12:44 AM	#6
Hogom Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	I'd reccomend a Fury as well. They work well solo, small group and full group, and their varying abilities between damage and healing work great together. You also might want to give zerker a shot, the damage potential combined with heavy armor make them very survivable solo, just like us paladins. __________________

06-18-2005, 01:02 AM	#7
Dasein Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,847	I'm at about the same point - I started back in November and hit 50 a few weeks ago. However, I have as much to do now as I did when I was 40 or 30. My quest journal is still consistently full, and there's stuff for me to do solo, grouped or in a raid. We also have a number of guildmates coming up through the ranks in the high 30s - low 40s, and so I'm helping them out with their quests and working on building a good raiding force. Then there's guild writs, house decorating, RP events, crafting and an couple of alts to play. With Splitpaw coming out in a couple of weeks, I'm not at all worried about running out of things to do before the expansion arrives. __________________ Troll Lord Casywdian

06-17-2005, 06:09 PM	#3
Valian1 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 52	Heh, how about Paladin again? Well, I've found out that Fury is pretty fun, ive got my alt to 20 so far with minimal work. Maybe you could start tradeskilling? And if you dont like caster or scout, maybe try out doing a zerker or guard.

06-17-2005, 11:44 PM	#5
Avigat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	The class is what you make of it. I find alot more to do than being a rez bot. If your guildies are constantly dying on raids, you should have a chat with them to change their tactics. And grind writs till the next expansion

06-18-2005, 07:26 AM	#8
Pilo Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 51	Sunshine? A good book? Flying lessons (my personal reccomendation)? Heck, even a different game? These are all options too. I'm not saying quit, but if you aren't having fun stop playing for a while. If there's nothing to do to advance your character you won't even miss out on anything by not playing. Come back when you feel like it or when more content is added to the game that would be something you'd like to try.

06-18-2005, 05:37 PM	#9
BlackW Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 496	demonevs wrote: Well I think my honeymoon period is over and im sat in the dust wondering - what next? I created this char in November and about a month ago I dinged 50. And im now sat around wondering what to do next. Im in a pretty strong guild on splitpaw, we regularly raid in an alliance, but im sat there doing nothing in between wednesdays and sundays when this happens. For raids, my paladin is nothing more than a rez bot. It cant hold aggro as well as a zerker, cant tank as well as a guardian It was a superb solo class, but now ive maxed out my level - there's nothing too solo Ive done most of the heritages (the decent ones, geb, screaming mace etc) the rest left are crap lol I've tried a few other classes to near 30, but nothing comes close to how 'capable and fun' the paladin was up to level 50. - Templar, great solo, better xp solo than grouped - has become a chore of regen, run in spam smite ho's. - Warlock, 3 button king, useless xp without a group unless you are happy grinding solo's. - Brig/Bard, good fun get splattered solo unless you kite What im kinda looking for is something as fun solo as the paladin, useful in groups and when i get it to level 50 - is useful in a raid. My paladin @ 50's kinda redundant, fabled gear, leet spells yadda yadda -but jack of all trades and master of none. Im not trying to bring a downer on the class, but can anyone give any suggestions of a class thats as good to play up to 50? (i.e you dont MIND grinding with no vit as its fun) Cheers for any help all Excellent post! :smileyvery-happy: I am not lvl 50 yet, waiting for my guild to catch up to tier5. I made a second, high-elf Paladin as an experiment and to help my guild. I poured all that I learned from the first Paladin into him. He is VERY strong, stronger than you might imagine from a high elf. I have also done all of the quests that I skipped with my frist Paladin, especially HQs and have found them all to be fun. I have also invested in Adept III skills with my new Paladin and the results have been very good. I have no trouble tanking or holding agro with any mob near my lvl. EQ2 is also about people and relationships. I have been using both of my Paladins to mentor and help others in my guild. Roleplaying a Paladin is also always fun. Eventually every game gets old and then it is about community, people and relationships. The expansion is coming in September and you will be able to move beyond lvl 50 then :smileywink: __________________ Blackweb, Human Paladin - Lucan Dlere Roleplay Server Order of Marr Crusader/Paladin Guide - In Progress

06-19-2005, 01:23 AM	#10
jshari General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	yeah i feel that the closer i get. i would suggest any mage class, mostry wizard or Enchanter. high dmg, and power pumpers. but furys are fun too. Ive always wanted to make a char and make him the fastest bard in the game. but thats just my little dream __________________

06-19-2005, 01:40 AM	#11
Rellikd Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21	On eq1 i quit my paladin for a necromancer. I'd try that here, i think something good is coming for necro's similar to their power in eq1.

06-19-2005, 02:36 PM	#12
MickM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 21	hehe if u are bored from eq2 imo your arent playing the game to its full. there is endless content to discover and do. i've been 50 for a while and i always have something to keep me busy when i play. and just when u think there isnt something to do sony always comes out with something new i.e adventure pack or expansion. and to say to Caslav i dont think imo you really have experienced the game to its fullest. a paladin really doesnt pick up till about 40-45.... at least to me it didnt. jus the other night i pulled 242dps in a raid fight.... while taking time to rez and heal others which is pretty good for a char that has a rep for being worthless on the dps department. mid gaming really isnt much of a challenge untill u start to raid and then its a thrill... i'm a old eq1 player and i played it for a good 4yrs and it never got boring and neither has eq2 for me. maybe and mmo jus isnt for you. fps pose no real accomplishment imo then being faster then the other person....anyone can aim crosshairs its jus who can do them faster. D2 has nothing on eq2....literally can beat the game in a day start to finish.... only other thing to do is pvp which is really boring. theres just too much stuff in eq2 to ever be bored. and if u get tired make a diff class and play it up and take a different route to 50.....cuz theres no way u played every little zone or exp spot to get your first char to 50. new stuff is added all the time. i don't see why people don't like killing the solo mobs. thats what they're there for is for people to solo them. i have a dirge alt and i can do mobs for a faster and better exp ratio then i could in a grp. you jus gota find the right spot cuz indeed there are the "hotspots" for l33t exp grinding hehe. __________________

06-19-2005, 06:36 PM	#13
TrueRuneCra Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	"It cant hold aggro as well as a zerker, cant tank as well as a guardian" Haha. Sorry, but you musn't know how to you play your class effectively. I'm a lv50 paladin and have main tanked every raid mob currently in the game at one point or another. I don't lose aggro and I tank as well as a Guardian. Paladins are not broken, and I'm shocked every time I read these forums. So many people complaining for absolutely no reason. __________________ Rune Paladin of the Ardent Legion

06-20-2005, 08:11 AM	#14
Titali Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 158	well rune you get 5 stars from me based solely upon the ninja 1 stars. ive never had much of an issue myself either. i really cant wait for the combat changes and the spell/skill revamps myself, just curious as to how things are going to turn out.

06-20-2005, 12:30 PM	#15
demonevs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	Thanks for the replies - seems the best route is perhaps another class to 50. And in response to Rune, ahem I do - I know how to build aggro and keep it held - against a zerk going all out, not a chance towards the end of the battle if power's getting low, if powers still high then I often keep it, but a good zerk can hold it better than me, and are much faster at pulling apart a group (i.e main /adds) so it can be split between two groups. Guardians on paper are better end game tankers, and zerks are better at generating aggro. I can only assume you either play with poor guardians/zerkers or just play in a big guild on a very small populace server.

06-20-2005, 07:09 PM	#16
Troodon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 201	I can appreciaete your situation demonevs, after hitting 50 a couple of weeks ago Im in it too. Splitpaw is fortunate to have a guild alliance: a lot of the smaller guilds have got together providing a means to quest and raid: a means to fend off the predatory cherry picking of members of the smaller guilds by raiding guilds, allowing less hardcore people a taste a raiding. The alliance is still finding its feet, but the hard work is begining to pay off. So far raid recruitment has been rather unorganized: a raid is anounced and people start turning up. With the last raid on Zalak, there were over 30 people waiting hoping for a chance to take down Zalak, myself amoungst them and undesirable it seems. :p Even when Im lucky enough to get a chance to go on a raid Im certainly not wanted as a Fighter, just a psuedoPriest, not exactly what I spent 50 levels trying to achieve. Should a real priest be available I guess Id be left on the reserve bench. Theres still the posibility of the Combat Changes shaking things up, relaxing the Warrior strangle hold on raid tanking, but I dont hold out much hope. Rather than trying to aim at designing encounters and engineering the classes so that particular Fighter classes are more suitable at against particular mobs, or at least has some key role to play on a raid, they're backing away from the notion of the Archetype and solidying the status quo after a few tweaks.

06-21-2005, 06:02 AM	#17
krabpeop Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	PvP is coming...

06-29-2005, 04:03 PM	#18
Alluin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	Holding aggro can be done if done right. I tanked the EL Spirit Monk (forget his name) whilst my partnered beserker went (in his own words) 'all out dps' The point being we didn't have any other dps classes and it was better for me a 46 Paladin to tank whilst him the 49 beserker with an EBBC did the damage. Didn't lose aggro once :smileyvery-happy: