Stealth Nerf to Condemnation. Plz fix.

pondbi · 04-16-2005, 12:18 AM

When they "fixed" the condemnation skill so that its slash and crush debuff component were debuffed by the same amount, they lowered the amount of the debuff by a whole lot. Back in the day, condemnation used to debuff slash by 1000 something and crush by 80-something by accident, so they patched it so that it would debuff the same amount. After that change, it seems that now slash and crush is debuffed by 80-something, instead of the 1000something. I used to be able to debuff slash on a mob the same amount as a dirge and other AC debuffing classes. Debuffing a mob by 80 ac against slashing and crushing is not even worth it now. Even hex dolls can debuff physical resistances higher than that.

I understand that AC values were changed since LU6, but when i compared with a dirge, he can still debuff by 900, where our debuff got gimped to 80 something.

A question for the devs is: did intend on a lvl 40's skill to debuff so little, or was it a mistake when you guys "fixed" the skill so that the debuff components of the spell matched? Because the 100-150 dmg and 50 hp heal is not worth the 100 mana it takes to cast this spell. This spell is currently almost useless. Can you look into this and fix it?

gachamann · 04-16-2005, 03:50 PM

I agree, this spell has awesome potential, but without a useful debuff it's a waste of power. I used it in tandem with Vengeance (crushing attack) and hardly see any difference after playing with it for several days to get a solid base. Devs please note: My Refusal of Grace (Adept I) costs 95 power and does 500-600dam! Granted that's our nuke, but... Shatter Will, one of our main attacks, costs 38 pwr (Adept I) and does 170-210 dam. It's recast timer is 20s compared to Condemnation's 10s, but I hope you see the disparity here. Fixing the debuffs is all we ask, b/c it's key to making our class strategic and not just another "hit all attacks as fast as you can" class. - Ravynn

pondbi · 04-30-2005, 12:36 AM

can we get some feedback on this from some other paladins? If we dont talk about it, it will never get fixed.

Belgor · 04-30-2005, 10:39 PM

ok, heres my feedback, I agree that it sucks now and should be increased SMILEY

redoule · 05-02-2005, 06:48 PM

I don't even waste a hotkey slot on it now. No point. Waste of power too.

04-16-2005, 12:18 AM	#1
pondbi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	When they "fixed" the condemnation skill so that its slash and crush debuff component were debuffed by the same amount, they lowered the amount of the debuff by a whole lot. Back in the day, condemnation used to debuff slash by 1000 something and crush by 80-something by accident, so they patched it so that it would debuff the same amount. After that change, it seems that now slash and crush is debuffed by 80-something, instead of the 1000something. I used to be able to debuff slash on a mob the same amount as a dirge and other AC debuffing classes. Debuffing a mob by 80 ac against slashing and crushing is not even worth it now. Even hex dolls can debuff physical resistances higher than that. I understand that AC values were changed since LU6, but when i compared with a dirge, he can still debuff by 900, where our debuff got gimped to 80 something. A question for the devs is: did intend on a lvl 40's skill to debuff so little, or was it a mistake when you guys "fixed" the skill so that the debuff components of the spell matched? Because the 100-150 dmg and 50 hp heal is not worth the 100 mana it takes to cast this spell. This spell is currently almost useless. Can you look into this and fix it?

04-16-2005, 03:50 PM	#2
gachamann Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	I agree, this spell has awesome potential, but without a useful debuff it's a waste of power. I used it in tandem with Vengeance (crushing attack) and hardly see any difference after playing with it for several days to get a solid base. Devs please note: My Refusal of Grace (Adept I) costs 95 power and does 500-600dam! Granted that's our nuke, but... Shatter Will, one of our main attacks, costs 38 pwr (Adept I) and does 170-210 dam. It's recast timer is 20s compared to Condemnation's 10s, but I hope you see the disparity here. Fixing the debuffs is all we ask, b/c it's key to making our class strategic and not just another "hit all attacks as fast as you can" class. - Ravynn

04-30-2005, 12:36 AM	#3
pondbi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	can we get some feedback on this from some other paladins? If we dont talk about it, it will never get fixed.

04-30-2005, 10:39 PM	#4
Belgor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	ok, heres my feedback, I agree that it sucks now and should be increased

05-02-2005, 06:48 PM	#5
redoule Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	I don't even waste a hotkey slot on it now. No point. Waste of power too.