bezerker or sk??

Chris14 · 02-20-2006, 08:15 AM

should i be a beserker or shadowknight? i like being wanted in groups and having a good time there, but i also enjoy being able to solo sometimes.

chrno01 · 02-20-2006, 10:27 AM

SK can heal and give 475 mitigation at later levels to anyone (at the cost of their own.) That and we get a pet.

SonnyA · 02-20-2006, 07:31 PM

zerker

Kryptonix · 02-20-2006, 07:40 PM

Pains me to say this but Zerker..... better taunts, better dps, more likey to be MT or MA on raids, can use bows, can dual weild.

golobnig · 02-20-2006, 08:01 PM

Why is it that in this game a beserker can outdamage a SK? That makes no sense to me at all. Why do they even have a SK class in the game? From what I have read Beserkers can solo just as easy as a SK and when it comes to grouping or raiding a Beserker will always be MT over the SK...so again why is there a SK class? Well I personally made a SK last night and I had a good time with him. I made him some nice armor and weapons and he kicked major butt on the island. But after coming and reading the Beserker and SK forums this morning I feel I made a [Removed for Content] character. Is there any hope for the SK class? I wanted a DPS warrior class and I thought I was getting that when I created a SK. I know a bruiser is top damage overall for warrior class, but I wanted the top DPS that can wear plate armor. So my question to all you high level SK out there...at high levels does the SK damage ever surpass the beserkers dps? Thanks.

SonnyA · 02-20-2006, 08:11 PM

golobnight wrote:
Why is it that in this game a beserker can outdamage a SK?

The SK is a crusader. Their DPS has been sacrificed in exchange for better survival abilities.

Don't expect a change in power balance. SKs are more versatile and better survivors than zerkers. But it comes at a price. SKs will never be the best of the best at everything, and no class ever will. If there ever was such a class, then the devs made an error because then there was no reason to play anything but that.

Compare it with vehicles. A truck is good when you want to move a lot of stuff. A sportscar is good when you want to get there fast. But it can't be both.

If you truly feel good playing the SK, then it's ok. What more do you want?

Xakkoriz · 02-20-2006, 09:55 PM

Whoa whoa whoa whoa... hold on their for a second. Berserker better taunts??? I don't know about you guys but I can tank just as well as any berserker... we have enough taunts... Insidious Promise, Blasphemy, and Catastrophic Slam... not to mention Rescue if things go bad... You can keep aggro if you actually USE your taunts. When you tank use a 1hander and shield... pull with Insidious Promise or Blasphemy and when they get to you use Catastrpohic Slam... use your taunts and you should be able to keep aggro...

megatra · 02-20-2006, 10:12 PM

Xakkoriz wrote:Whoa whoa whoa whoa... hold on their for a second. Berserker better taunts??? I don't know about you guys but I can tank just as well as any berserker... we have enough taunts... Insidious Promise, Blasphemy, and Catastrophic Slam... not to mention Rescue if things go bad... You can keep aggro if you actually USE your taunts. When you tank use a 1hander and shield... pull with Insidious Promise or Blasphemy and when they get to you use Catastrpohic Slam... use your taunts and you should be able to keep aggro...

Unfortunately it's not that easy. I have Blasphemy Master II, Catastrophic Slam Master I, and Insidious Promise Master I. I can chain these all day long (even using FD and Rescue) and still lose aggro.

Torgrimm Ja · 02-20-2006, 10:26 PM

You guys keep saying that Berzerker have better DPS, but i just dont understand it?

Berzerkers have better AOE dps yes, but i cant see that they have better dps on a single target?

Taking parser's where Berzerkers hits multiple mobs and do high DPS isnt exactly giving us new players a clue about DPS balance.

IMO as i see it SK outdmg Berzerker on a single target by alot, and they have better mitigation/drains.

Its not the same class, but who want it to be?

I know taunts are needed on SK's, but thats about it right?

Please help me understand WHY you think berzerkers outdmg a SK, and dont throw AOE into the mix please. because thats not consistant dmg at all.

- Torgrimm

skidmark · 02-20-2006, 10:35 PM

My main is a Defiler. I haven't played a berserker but I have started an SK and got him to 15th level. The class is fun, but I get the feeling that it is like the "priest" of the warriors. Hard as hell to kill, but doesn't seem to dish out a lot either (still a lot more than a Defiler). I love the ward that inflicts damage and heals. Probably not the best choice for Master II (was going to take single target taunt) but it certainly makes soloing a lot easier.I haven't grouped much with him, when I did Necro pets were out-taunting me. It was understandable since I haven't had a chance to upgrade my taunts. With the bonus xp this weekend I made 11 levels yesterday so didn't upgrade anything as far as spells and CAs are concerned.

Margen · 02-20-2006, 10:50 PM

Torgrimm Jarl wrote:
You guys keep saying that Berzerker have better DPS, but i just dont understand it?
Berzerkers have better AOE dps yes, but i cant see that they have better dps on a single target?
Taking parser's where Berzerkers hits multiple mobs and do high DPS isnt exactly giving us new players a clue about DPS balance.
IMO as i see it SK outdmg Berzerker on a single target by alot, and they have better mitigation/drains.
Its not the same class, but who want it to be?
I know taunts are needed on SK's, but thats about it right?
Please help me understand WHY you think berzerkers outdmg a SK, and dont throw AOE into the mix please. because thats not consistant dmg at all.
- Torgrimm

My guild has one SK (me) and one beserker, he out dps me in 90pct of the fights. If we compare when tanking (group only, I never have tanked a teir 6 x4), its not even close, this is due to the beserkers repoiste abiliteis and the fact that all of their abilites are based on Str where alot of ours are based on Int (which when tanking is pitiful).

We are pretty close to being equaly equiped (he has better shoulders, and legs, but my hands are better) and he has a couple more masters then me ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] drops faver zerkers hehe). The simple fact is that at end game beserker can top off at 1200dps from what I've seen, I personally nerver have come close to that.

And no I am not being lazy. Compare this to aggro abiliteis that beserker get, is one reason alot of SK's really get ticked off.

Torgrimm Ja · 02-20-2006, 11:23 PM

Well, that really didnt answer my question, because he was probably outdmg'ing you with AOE's.

What im asking for, is if you and him had killed a single similar mob, what would the end result of that parsing be ?

Would his DPS be higher than yours ?

I just cant see it, you have pet, use a 2hander and even have life drains and a hard hitting nuke. (even if its on a timer)

Im curious if his DPS would be even close to yours on a single target ?

Thanks.

-Torgrimm Jarl

plantb · 02-20-2006, 11:58 PM

With HT we could down a single mob faster then a zerker, but thats every 15mins.

My bro is a Zerker, on single mobs he does down them quicker then me. My mob may have 5-10% left when his is dead.

Grp mobs, he owns

Soloing I guess I own.

Plant

golobnig · 02-21-2006, 12:34 AM

Does he have better equipment then you? I mean how does he out dps you on a single target? Are you getting resisted alot with your spells that is lowering your dps down some or does he just have some uber sword and haste items that just puts up that high dps? I guess where I am confused is does the beserker combat skills do more damage then sk spells?

Caedyil · 02-21-2006, 01:55 AM

Zerker.

plantb · 02-21-2006, 04:42 AM

same armour, same one hander an shield. 2 hander he use Ex Axe I use great mace.

He has CAs we have CAs and Spells. He has 380Str self buffed i have 260 str and 269 int in offensive. Still beats me.

Zerker has the advantage as he only needs to concentrate on one stat for dmge.

Plant

._Jammer · 02-21-2006, 06:47 PM

I got one question

Are you using your pet the times he outdamage you?

I admit i know nothing of berserkers, but i compare my sk with my swashbuckler that is about the same lvl.

What i like with the sk is, you have these uber spells for the times when you are in trouble, something my swashie dont, he just kills better most times, but if the swashbuckler gets a add or so, I better have escape spell ready.

Bruener · 02-21-2006, 07:22 PM

Torgrimm Jarl wrote:
You guys keep saying that Berzerker have better DPS, but i just dont understand it?
Berzerkers have better AOE dps yes, but i cant see that they have better dps on a single target?
Taking parser's where Berzerkers hits multiple mobs and do high DPS isnt exactly giving us new players a clue about DPS balance.
IMO as i see it SK outdmg Berzerker on a single target by alot, and they have better mitigation/drains.
Its not the same class, but who want it to be?
I know taunts are needed on SK's, but thats about it right?
Please help me understand WHY you think berzerkers outdmg a SK, and dont throw AOE into the mix please. because thats not consistant dmg at all.
- Torgrimm

The thing is zerkers and sk's both excel when it comes to AE dps. But a zerker will out dps a sk in those instances. Otherwise when it comes to a solo mob our dps really drops and becomes pretty low, while a zerkers seems to stay on top. Running a parser in SC there were very few times that the bezerker was actually not on top of the dps list....that includes solo mobs. Now he was tanking but the he would out dps me on solo mobs by over 3 times the amount of dps I was doing....when it came to group mobs I was a lot closer to his dps...but he still was on top.

The truth is that atm Bezerkers are the FOTM when it comes to tanks. They have awesome agro control, very good dps, and can take a beating....whether it is group mobs, solo mobs.....disease mobs or cold mobs. It really doesn't matter....bezerkers are "The Tank" of choice atm.

Margen · 02-21-2006, 07:58 PM

._Jammer_. wrote:
I got one question
Are you using your pet the times he outdamage you?

I admit i know nothing of berserkers, but i compare my sk with my swashbuckler that is about the same lvl.

What i like with the sk is, you have these uber spells for the times when you are in trouble, something my swashie dont, he just kills better most times, but if the swashbuckler gets a add or so, I better have escape spell ready.

To answer your question on the pet, yes at least I do. The pet makes it closer on single mobs but the beserker still out damges me on long raid fights.

Yamoran · 02-21-2006, 10:46 PM

should i be a beserker or shadowknight? i like being wanted in groups and having a good time there, but i also enjoy being able to solo sometimes.**************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** *****************

What? You dare to ask, soldier?

Get out of my sight before I crush you, weakling.

You dont have the dedication to become a Shadowknight.

Begone!

02-20-2006, 08:11 PM	#6
SonnyA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	golobnight wrote: Why is it that in this game a beserker can outdamage a SK? The SK is a crusader. Their DPS has been sacrificed in exchange for better survival abilities. Don't expect a change in power balance. SKs are more versatile and better survivors than zerkers. But it comes at a price. SKs will never be the best of the best at everything, and no class ever will. If there ever was such a class, then the devs made an error because then there was no reason to play anything but that. Compare it with vehicles. A truck is good when you want to move a lot of stuff. A sportscar is good when you want to get there fast. But it can't be both. If you truly feel good playing the SK, then it's ok. What more do you want?

02-20-2006, 10:12 PM	#8
megatra Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 306	Xakkoriz wrote:Whoa whoa whoa whoa... hold on their for a second. Berserker better taunts??? I don't know about you guys but I can tank just as well as any berserker... we have enough taunts... Insidious Promise, Blasphemy, and Catastrophic Slam... not to mention Rescue if things go bad... You can keep aggro if you actually USE your taunts. When you tank use a 1hander and shield... pull with Insidious Promise or Blasphemy and when they get to you use Catastrpohic Slam... use your taunts and you should be able to keep aggro... Unfortunately it's not that easy. I have Blasphemy Master II, Catastrophic Slam Master I, and Insidious Promise Master I. I can chain these all day long (even using FD and Rescue) and still lose aggro. __________________

02-20-2006, 10:26 PM	#9
Torgrimm Ja Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 8	You guys keep saying that Berzerker have better DPS, but i just dont understand it? Berzerkers have better AOE dps yes, but i cant see that they have better dps on a single target? Taking parser's where Berzerkers hits multiple mobs and do high DPS isnt exactly giving us new players a clue about DPS balance. IMO as i see it SK outdmg Berzerker on a single target by alot, and they have better mitigation/drains. Its not the same class, but who want it to be? I know taunts are needed on SK's, but thats about it right? Please help me understand WHY you think berzerkers outdmg a SK, and dont throw AOE into the mix please. because thats not consistant dmg at all. - Torgrimm __________________ Torgrimm Jarl - Berzerker Member of "Norse Fury" on Darathar Euro PvP Server.

02-20-2006, 10:50 PM	#11
Margen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 648	Torgrimm Jarl wrote: You guys keep saying that Berzerker have better DPS, but i just dont understand it? Berzerkers have better AOE dps yes, but i cant see that they have better dps on a single target? Taking parser's where Berzerkers hits multiple mobs and do high DPS isnt exactly giving us new players a clue about DPS balance. IMO as i see it SK outdmg Berzerker on a single target by alot, and they have better mitigation/drains. Its not the same class, but who want it to be? I know taunts are needed on SK's, but thats about it right? Please help me understand WHY you think berzerkers outdmg a SK, and dont throw AOE into the mix please. because thats not consistant dmg at all. - Torgrimm My guild has one SK (me) and one beserker, he out dps me in 90pct of the fights. If we compare when tanking (group only, I never have tanked a teir 6 x4), its not even close, this is due to the beserkers repoiste abiliteis and the fact that all of their abilites are based on Str where alot of ours are based on Int (which when tanking is pitiful). We are pretty close to being equaly equiped (he has better shoulders, and legs, but my hands are better) and he has a couple more masters then me ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] drops faver zerkers hehe). The simple fact is that at end game beserker can top off at 1200dps from what I've seen, I personally nerver have come close to that. And no I am not being lazy. Compare this to aggro abiliteis that beserker get, is one reason alot of SK's really get ticked off. __________________ Blackoath Uglyone 80 Shadow Knight of Chaos Phang 80 Swashbuckler of Chaos You EVER going to fix SKs Sony?

02-20-2006, 11:23 PM	#12
Torgrimm Ja Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 8	Well, that really didnt answer my question, because he was probably outdmg'ing you with AOE's. What im asking for, is if you and him had killed a single similar mob, what would the end result of that parsing be ? Would his DPS be higher than yours ? I just cant see it, you have pet, use a 2hander and even have life drains and a hard hitting nuke. (even if its on a timer) Im curious if his DPS would be even close to yours on a single target ? Thanks. -Torgrimm Jarl __________________ Torgrimm Jarl - Berzerker Member of "Norse Fury" on Darathar Euro PvP Server.

02-20-2006, 08:15 AM	#1
Chris14 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 105	should i be a beserker or shadowknight? i like being wanted in groups and having a good time there, but i also enjoy being able to solo sometimes.

02-20-2006, 10:27 AM	#2
chrno01 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 79	SK can heal and give 475 mitigation at later levels to anyone (at the cost of their own.) That and we get a pet.

02-20-2006, 07:31 PM	#3
SonnyA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	zerker

02-20-2006, 07:40 PM	#4
Kryptonix Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 206	Pains me to say this but Zerker..... better taunts, better dps, more likey to be MT or MA on raids, can use bows, can dual weild.

02-20-2006, 08:01 PM	#5
golobnig Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Why is it that in this game a beserker can outdamage a SK? That makes no sense to me at all. Why do they even have a SK class in the game? From what I have read Beserkers can solo just as easy as a SK and when it comes to grouping or raiding a Beserker will always be MT over the SK...so again why is there a SK class? Well I personally made a SK last night and I had a good time with him. I made him some nice armor and weapons and he kicked major butt on the island. But after coming and reading the Beserker and SK forums this morning I feel I made a [Removed for Content] character. Is there any hope for the SK class? I wanted a DPS warrior class and I thought I was getting that when I created a SK. I know a bruiser is top damage overall for warrior class, but I wanted the top DPS that can wear plate armor. So my question to all you high level SK out there...at high levels does the SK damage ever surpass the beserkers dps? Thanks.

02-20-2006, 09:55 PM	#7
Xakkoriz Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 136	Whoa whoa whoa whoa... hold on their for a second. Berserker better taunts??? I don't know about you guys but I can tank just as well as any berserker... we have enough taunts... Insidious Promise, Blasphemy, and Catastrophic Slam... not to mention Rescue if things go bad... You can keep aggro if you actually USE your taunts. When you tank use a 1hander and shield... pull with Insidious Promise or Blasphemy and when they get to you use Catastrpohic Slam... use your taunts and you should be able to keep aggro...

02-20-2006, 10:35 PM	#10
skidmark Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 486	My main is a Defiler. I haven't played a berserker but I have started an SK and got him to 15th level. The class is fun, but I get the feeling that it is like the "priest" of the warriors. Hard as hell to kill, but doesn't seem to dish out a lot either (still a lot more than a Defiler). I love the ward that inflicts damage and heals. Probably not the best choice for Master II (was going to take single target taunt) but it certainly makes soloing a lot easier.I haven't grouped much with him, when I did Necro pets were out-taunting me. It was understandable since I haven't had a chance to upgrade my taunts. With the bonus xp this weekend I made 11 levels yesterday so didn't upgrade anything as far as spells and CAs are concerned.

02-20-2006, 11:58 PM	#13
plantb Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 149	With HT we could down a single mob faster then a zerker, but thats every 15mins. My bro is a Zerker, on single mobs he does down them quicker then me. My mob may have 5-10% left when his is dead. Grp mobs, he owns Soloing I guess I own. Plant

02-21-2006, 12:34 AM	#14
golobnig Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Does he have better equipment then you? I mean how does he out dps you on a single target? Are you getting resisted alot with your spells that is lowering your dps down some or does he just have some uber sword and haste items that just puts up that high dps? I guess where I am confused is does the beserker combat skills do more damage then sk spells?

02-21-2006, 01:55 AM	#15
Caedyil Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 19	Zerker.

02-21-2006, 04:42 AM	#16
plantb Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 149	same armour, same one hander an shield. 2 hander he use Ex Axe I use great mace. He has CAs we have CAs and Spells. He has 380Str self buffed i have 260 str and 269 int in offensive. Still beats me. Zerker has the advantage as he only needs to concentrate on one stat for dmge. Plant

02-21-2006, 06:47 PM	#17
._Jammer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32	I got one question Are you using your pet the times he outdamage you? I admit i know nothing of berserkers, but i compare my sk with my swashbuckler that is about the same lvl. What i like with the sk is, you have these uber spells for the times when you are in trouble, something my swashie dont, he just kills better most times, but if the swashbuckler gets a add or so, I better have escape spell ready.

02-21-2006, 07:22 PM	#18
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	Torgrimm Jarl wrote: You guys keep saying that Berzerker have better DPS, but i just dont understand it? Berzerkers have better AOE dps yes, but i cant see that they have better dps on a single target? Taking parser's where Berzerkers hits multiple mobs and do high DPS isnt exactly giving us new players a clue about DPS balance. IMO as i see it SK outdmg Berzerker on a single target by alot, and they have better mitigation/drains. Its not the same class, but who want it to be? I know taunts are needed on SK's, but thats about it right? Please help me understand WHY you think berzerkers outdmg a SK, and dont throw AOE into the mix please. because thats not consistant dmg at all. - Torgrimm The thing is zerkers and sk's both excel when it comes to AE dps. But a zerker will out dps a sk in those instances. Otherwise when it comes to a solo mob our dps really drops and becomes pretty low, while a zerkers seems to stay on top. Running a parser in SC there were very few times that the bezerker was actually not on top of the dps list....that includes solo mobs. Now he was tanking but the he would out dps me on solo mobs by over 3 times the amount of dps I was doing....when it came to group mobs I was a lot closer to his dps...but he still was on top. The truth is that atm Bezerkers are the FOTM when it comes to tanks. They have awesome agro control, very good dps, and can take a beating....whether it is group mobs, solo mobs.....disease mobs or cold mobs. It really doesn't matter....bezerkers are "The Tank" of choice atm. __________________

02-21-2006, 07:58 PM	#19
Margen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 648	._Jammer_. wrote: I got one question Are you using your pet the times he outdamage you? I admit i know nothing of berserkers, but i compare my sk with my swashbuckler that is about the same lvl. What i like with the sk is, you have these uber spells for the times when you are in trouble, something my swashie dont, he just kills better most times, but if the swashbuckler gets a add or so, I better have escape spell ready. To answer your question on the pet, yes at least I do. The pet makes it closer on single mobs but the beserker still out damges me on long raid fights. __________________ Blackoath Uglyone 80 Shadow Knight of Chaos Phang 80 Swashbuckler of Chaos You EVER going to fix SKs Sony?

02-21-2006, 10:46 PM	#20
Yamoran Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 40	should i be a beserker or shadowknight? i like being wanted in groups and having a good time there, but i also enjoy being able to solo sometimes.************************************** ********************************************** ********************************************** *************** What? You dare to ask, soldier? Get out of my sight before I crush you, weakling. You dont have the dedication to become a Shadowknight. Begone! __________________ Pucifous Fiddlefeet Alerius Delnoche Gworg Hellfart