2h vs dw

fur · 12-20-2004, 06:11 PM

Well thought it was time to get a new thread going about this, as new weapons are beeing introduced soon. My bruiser is currently 25 so havent seen the top end of the spectrum but so far without any parses to back it up, a good 2h weap seems to be abit better dps wise then 2 good dw,s which is purely speculating on my part but nontheless ...

Im using ebon/firwood q-staff and for 2h i had a scorched staff. I sat solo grinding cacklings for abit of cash yesterday and switched back and forth. Rolling only on auto and not using any skills besides fiery fists proccs i started to notice mobs droppin faster when using 2h then dw. I even did some stop time testing and sure enuff they went down a good 4-7 secs faster when i had the 2h weap equipped, the cacklers i killed when testing were all level 23 mobs so no differences in ac regarding mobs. This is of course not solid testing and i dont run parser so have no hard evidence this is true, also i only killed 60 cacklers or so and thats hardly enough to get any solid testing done. However i would really like to see some testing done on this as dw has a great advantage with superior stats from 2 weaps.

On a side note i actually procced about the same using 2h as i did with dw,s i had 42 proccs total with 2h and 44 with dw and killed 30 with each as stated before, my fiery is adept 1.

Skull

JiveMo · 12-20-2004, 08:03 PM

i think unmodifided dps, the dual weild will out dmg the 2 hand.if specials are accounted for, then i think 2h should out dmg the dual wield, since the dmg incr will be greater with the harder hitting weapon as apposed to a smaller increase to a single hitting weapon. that's assuming the dmg increase for specials are in a percentage of the weapon dmg.

X-Kevl · 12-20-2004, 10:29 PM

JiveMofo wrote:that's assuming the dmg increase for specials are in a percentage of the weapon dmg.

I dont think it works this way.At least from testing it doesnt.I believe min-max dmg from specials is calculated from a percentage of your "ATK"-Rating as shown in your character sheet.

EmptySki · 12-20-2004, 11:57 PM

Depends.. If you are tanking it is ideal to use a 2hb because of ripostes, when you want to do dmg use DW.

I use Heirophants Crook when tanking

Cestii of the Master/Baton of the Boar when DPS.

fur · 12-21-2004, 01:41 PM

Ok i notice most of you favoring dw over 2h, but is there any evidence that dw truly outperforms 2hb? There was a parse over at zerk board and that actually showed 2h outperforming dw granted it wasnt one of the most accurate parses, however i truly would like to see some numbers concerning this, so far i ve seen alot of ppl stating both. Also specials doesnt seem to hit harder with 2hb so i think that it might be based of atk as previous poster stated. And im not convinced about 2h beeing better when tanking, one of the few drawbacks with 2h is that when unloading from the front aka tankin you will get parried/blocked but from the back you wont, so i would say dw when tanking cause dw provides more attacks and 2hb when you perform dps/2nd tank role.

Brashn · 12-21-2004, 02:55 PM

furok wrote:
one of the few drawbacks with 2h is that when unloading from the front aka tankin you will get parried/blocked but from the back you wont, so i would say dw when tanking cause dw provides more attacks and 2hb when you perform dps/2nd tank role.

you got it backwards. You want to use 2-handed from the front since you'll eat fewer ripostes, and dual wield from behind, since you don't have to worry about them.

Sheperd · 12-21-2004, 08:15 PM

Unlike EQ1 there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between 2 handed or dw weapons and that includes the damage taken from repostes. They altered reposte damage to be a % of the damage you dealt. So even though you will get reposted more often with dw weapons it will be for less dmg than with a 2h. I think it's probably best to just go with whatever weapons you can get the best of at the time. I like just having to keep one weapon up to date and buying a single 2h then having to buy 2 weapons and make sure the delay and all is right. Then of course there is looks. Would be nice to have some more solid info though.

fur · 12-21-2004, 08:37 PM

Think i need to clarify abit about my previous statement, with 2h beeing better from the front, yes ripostes will be more with dw from the front compared to 2h , but a 2h which is slow to start with and only attacks once will loose alot of dps if that single attack doesnt connect due to parry/riposte/block or just plain miss, while the dw with fast delay and twice the number of attacks will not be so heavily affected as more hits will punch through so to speak, loosing even 1 hit with 2h is alot of wasted dps. Thats why i imply that dw might be a better choice then 2h from the front. I personally think that 2h might be abit ahead owhen it comes to dps compared to dw at least at my level, with dual proccing dw's the issue might be different though.

Message Edited by furok on 12-21-2004 07:38 AM

Sheperd · 12-21-2004, 11:01 PM

Well if the mechanics of the game worked perfectly you would miss the same % of the time with dw weapons as you did with 2h and it wouldn't matter. You might be attacking faster but you will miss a lot or at least it might seem like alot compared to 2h because it's the same %. It should come to the same dps but as we all know in eq1 faster was better. It's possible though that 2h would be better in eq2 with a new combat mechanics.

12-20-2004, 10:29 PM	#3
X-Kevl Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	JiveMofo wrote:that's assuming the dmg increase for specials are in a percentage of the weapon dmg. I dont think it works this way.At least from testing it doesnt.I believe min-max dmg from specials is calculated from a percentage of your "ATK"-Rating as shown in your character sheet. __________________ "Never forget how to fight, know what for." -Shin Tse, Way of the Samurai

12-21-2004, 02:55 PM	#6
Brashn Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	furok wrote: one of the few drawbacks with 2h is that when unloading from the front aka tankin you will get parried/blocked but from the back you wont, so i would say dw when tanking cause dw provides more attacks and 2hb when you perform dps/2nd tank role. you got it backwards. You want to use 2-handed from the front since you'll eat fewer ripostes, and dual wield from behind, since you don't have to worry about them.

12-21-2004, 08:15 PM	#7
Sheperd Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	Unlike EQ1 there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between 2 handed or dw weapons and that includes the damage taken from repostes. They altered reposte damage to be a % of the damage you dealt. So even though you will get reposted more often with dw weapons it will be for less dmg than with a 2h. I think it's probably best to just go with whatever weapons you can get the best of at the time. I like just having to keep one weapon up to date and buying a single 2h then having to buy 2 weapons and make sure the delay and all is right. Then of course there is looks. Would be nice to have some more solid info though. __________________ Sheperd Tinkiewinki I'm dying slowly how about you?

12-21-2004, 11:01 PM	#9
Sheperd Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	Well if the mechanics of the game worked perfectly you would miss the same % of the time with dw weapons as you did with 2h and it wouldn't matter. You might be attacking faster but you will miss a lot or at least it might seem like alot compared to 2h because it's the same %. It should come to the same dps but as we all know in eq1 faster was better. It's possible though that 2h would be better in eq2 with a new combat mechanics. __________________ Sheperd Tinkiewinki I'm dying slowly how about you?

12-20-2004, 06:11 PM	#1
fur General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	Well thought it was time to get a new thread going about this, as new weapons are beeing introduced soon. My bruiser is currently 25 so havent seen the top end of the spectrum but so far without any parses to back it up, a good 2h weap seems to be abit better dps wise then 2 good dw,s which is purely speculating on my part but nontheless ... Im using ebon/firwood q-staff and for 2h i had a scorched staff. I sat solo grinding cacklings for abit of cash yesterday and switched back and forth. Rolling only on auto and not using any skills besides fiery fists proccs i started to notice mobs droppin faster when using 2h then dw. I even did some stop time testing and sure enuff they went down a good 4-7 secs faster when i had the 2h weap equipped, the cacklers i killed when testing were all level 23 mobs so no differences in ac regarding mobs. This is of course not solid testing and i dont run parser so have no hard evidence this is true, also i only killed 60 cacklers or so and thats hardly enough to get any solid testing done. However i would really like to see some testing done on this as dw has a great advantage with superior stats from 2 weaps. On a side note i actually procced about the same using 2h as i did with dw,s i had 42 proccs total with 2h and 44 with dw and killed 30 with each as stated before, my fiery is adept 1. Skull

12-20-2004, 08:03 PM	#2
JiveMo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	i think unmodifided dps, the dual weild will out dmg the 2 hand.if specials are accounted for, then i think 2h should out dmg the dual wield, since the dmg incr will be greater with the harder hitting weapon as apposed to a smaller increase to a single hitting weapon. that's assuming the dmg increase for specials are in a percentage of the weapon dmg.

12-20-2004, 11:57 PM	#4
EmptySki Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	Depends.. If you are tanking it is ideal to use a 2hb because of ripostes, when you want to do dmg use DW. I use Heirophants Crook when tanking Cestii of the Master/Baton of the Boar when DPS.

12-21-2004, 01:41 PM	#5
fur General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	Ok i notice most of you favoring dw over 2h, but is there any evidence that dw truly outperforms 2hb? There was a parse over at zerk board and that actually showed 2h outperforming dw granted it wasnt one of the most accurate parses, however i truly would like to see some numbers concerning this, so far i ve seen alot of ppl stating both. Also specials doesnt seem to hit harder with 2hb so i think that it might be based of atk as previous poster stated. And im not convinced about 2h beeing better when tanking, one of the few drawbacks with 2h is that when unloading from the front aka tankin you will get parried/blocked but from the back you wont, so i would say dw when tanking cause dw provides more attacks and 2hb when you perform dps/2nd tank role.

12-21-2004, 08:37 PM	#8
fur General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	Think i need to clarify abit about my previous statement, with 2h beeing better from the front, yes ripostes will be more with dw from the front compared to 2h , but a 2h which is slow to start with and only attacks once will loose alot of dps if that single attack doesnt connect due to parry/riposte/block or just plain miss, while the dw with fast delay and twice the number of attacks will not be so heavily affected as more hits will punch through so to speak, loosing even 1 hit with 2h is alot of wasted dps. Thats why i imply that dw might be a better choice then 2h from the front. I personally think that 2h might be abit ahead owhen it comes to dps compared to dw at least at my level, with dual proccing dw's the issue might be different though. Message Edited by furok on 12-21-2004 07:38 AM