Dueling classes Question

Kaleyen · 11-16-2005, 09:02 PM

Ok, if a Monk was dueling all the classes (not at the same time mind you) at the same level with about the same "class" of equipment, which classes would we just rock, which ones would we have troubles with and what classes would just own us? I have yet to duel anyone, but want to get some tips on each class before I start to.

Deadly Nightshadow · 11-16-2005, 10:22 PM

Kaleyen wrote:
Ok, if a Monk was dueling all the classes (not at the same time mind you) at the same level with about the same "class" of equipment, which classes would we just rock, which ones would we have troubles with and what classes would just own us?

I have yet to duel anyone, but want to get some tips on each class before I start to.

As a Defiler, I beat Monks hands down; full health. I ward for the initial damage, cure the DoT attacks, ward and start an assault on my own. As a Monk, I'd say Defilers are the ones you want to look out for. Mainly because your avoidance makes no difference to casters.

Kota · 11-16-2005, 10:32 PM

avoidance doesn't seem to make much of a difference to any class. i've dueled guardians that parsed better avoidance pvp than me. my impression is that burst damage wins melee pvp. haven't dueled lately because i'm away from home, and the motel i live in has crappy internet.

Deadly Nightshadow · 11-16-2005, 10:34 PM

Burst sometimes wins but.....Defilers go slow and steady.....I fear if the duel gets too hot......

hayaikaze · 11-16-2005, 10:43 PM

If you have good gear and know how to play your class Monks rock. I was 52 the other day and beat a 56 Coercer. Can beat just about any class as long as they are not too far ahead in lvl.

As for dealing with casters, we have several stuns/stiffles, a shield for all types of magic at lvl 52, and interupts (taunts).

ArivenGemini · 11-16-2005, 11:16 PM

Lahkota13 wrote:
avoidance doesn't seem to make much of a difference to any class. i've dueled guardians that parsed better avoidance pvp than me. my impression is that burst damage wins melee pvp. haven't dueled lately because i'm away from home, and the motel i live in has crappy internet.

avoidance certainly makes a difference to me when using my swash vs a monk.. it is noticible the amount of stuff that misses and thus removes my burst damage to win SMILEY

For me, it takes a 2+ level superiority to have a predominant win chance... under that and it becomes iffy really fast.. even level and I have no real chance at all.

Rrawl · 11-17-2005, 02:41 AM

Try fighting a Warden, their dustorm knocks you back so much you just can't get in for more then one or two hits at a time.

Then while you're getting back up they have time to heal themselves. We don't have enough stuns and stifles to cover the time it takes to get back up and in range from the knockback.

diamondma · 11-17-2005, 11:01 AM

bleh temps and inqs give me the most trouble out of any class specially inqs with their crazy lockdowns and the plate armor makes them suck up damage quite well. not sure about others but really good clerics are the hardest for me to beat. pallies are also pretty tough fights other than that i dont really have many problems with other classes.

Neimhidh · 11-17-2005, 09:40 PM

I think it can be summed up that we fare the worst when dueling healers.

The only players that have ever beaten me were healers, including a paladin.

a chanter beat me but he was like 5 levels over me, so that doesn't count.

fre'do · 11-17-2005, 10:06 PM

why healers??? all u have to do is deal them damage and make them use there mana to heal and as long as u have more mana in the end u will win. oh yeah keep movin so they have to find u.. besides u have taunts to stop heals or other stuff they do...they dont do great damage. the one duel i fought was a cleric of same level as me and he gave up once he realize i was makin him use his mana and i had way more life then him. everytime he healed it was gone the next second.

ArivenGemini · 11-17-2005, 10:47 PM

fre'do wrote:why healers??? all u have to do is deal them damage and make them use there mana to heal and as long as u have more mana in the end u will win. oh yeah keep movin so they have to find u.. besides u have taunts to stop heals or other stuff they do...they dont do great damage. the one duel i fought was a cleric of same level as me and he gave up once he realize i was makin him use his mana and i had way more life then him. everytime he healed it was gone the next second.

Well it depends on which ones.. for example the druids can do damage to you every time you hit them.. they have fair to middling avoidance and decent regens of damage.. heck my fury has a extra regen in combat of health without me casting a spell at all.. and I also have a couple nukes, so if your interrupts are down I can get in some good hits... plus my DOTS... now my inquisitor has heavy armor for that mitigation love.. -and- I can root you, I can hit you with some spells that mean every time you do a CA or hit me you do damage, plus when my heals are up, every time you hit me you heal me.. It can be hard.. yeah we dont have a lot of DPS, but if our power levels are good, we can make you work for your win.

11-16-2005, 09:02 PM	#1
Kaleyen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: kk thx la~ Posts: 1,341	Ok, if a Monk was dueling all the classes (not at the same time mind you) at the same level with about the same "class" of equipment, which classes would we just rock, which ones would we have troubles with and what classes would just own us? I have yet to duel anyone, but want to get some tips on each class before I start to. __________________ Blaye \| 80 Guardian \| Leader of Anomaly

11-16-2005, 10:22 PM	#2
Deadly Nightshadow Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 182	Kaleyen wrote: Ok, if a Monk was dueling all the classes (not at the same time mind you) at the same level with about the same "class" of equipment, which classes would we just rock, which ones would we have troubles with and what classes would just own us? I have yet to duel anyone, but want to get some tips on each class before I start to. As a Defiler, I beat Monks hands down; full health. I ward for the initial damage, cure the DoT attacks, ward and start an assault on my own. As a Monk, I'd say Defilers are the ones you want to look out for. Mainly because your avoidance makes no difference to casters. __________________

11-16-2005, 10:34 PM	#4
Deadly Nightshadow Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 182	Burst sometimes wins but.....Defilers go slow and steady.....I fear if the duel gets too hot...... __________________

11-16-2005, 11:16 PM	#6
ArivenGemini Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,260	Lahkota13 wrote: avoidance doesn't seem to make much of a difference to any class. i've dueled guardians that parsed better avoidance pvp than me. my impression is that burst damage wins melee pvp. haven't dueled lately because i'm away from home, and the motel i live in has crappy internet. avoidance certainly makes a difference to me when using my swash vs a monk.. it is noticible the amount of stuff that misses and thus removes my burst damage to win For me, it takes a 2+ level superiority to have a predominant win chance... under that and it becomes iffy really fast.. even level and I have no real chance at all. __________________

11-17-2005, 02:41 AM	#7
Rrawl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 403	Try fighting a Warden, their dustorm knocks you back so much you just can't get in for more then one or two hits at a time. Then while you're getting back up they have time to heal themselves. We don't have enough stuns and stifles to cover the time it takes to get back up and in range from the knockback. __________________

11-16-2005, 10:32 PM	#3
Kota Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	avoidance doesn't seem to make much of a difference to any class. i've dueled guardians that parsed better avoidance pvp than me. my impression is that burst damage wins melee pvp. haven't dueled lately because i'm away from home, and the motel i live in has crappy internet.

11-16-2005, 10:43 PM	#5
hayaikaze Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 147	If you have good gear and know how to play your class Monks rock. I was 52 the other day and beat a 56 Coercer. Can beat just about any class as long as they are not too far ahead in lvl. As for dealing with casters, we have several stuns/stiffles, a shield for all types of magic at lvl 52, and interupts (taunts).

11-17-2005, 11:01 AM	#8
diamondma Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 261	bleh temps and inqs give me the most trouble out of any class specially inqs with their crazy lockdowns and the plate armor makes them suck up damage quite well. not sure about others but really good clerics are the hardest for me to beat. pallies are also pretty tough fights other than that i dont really have many problems with other classes.

11-17-2005, 09:40 PM	#9
Neimhidh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 201	I think it can be summed up that we fare the worst when dueling healers. The only players that have ever beaten me were healers, including a paladin. a chanter beat me but he was like 5 levels over me, so that doesn't count. __________________ Reepacheep, Assasin, Venekor Badbh, Monk, Unrest Cliaranach, Dirge, Unrest Cxaxukluth, Fury, Venekor

11-17-2005, 10:06 PM	#10
fre'do Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 131	why healers??? all u have to do is deal them damage and make them use there mana to heal and as long as u have more mana in the end u will win. oh yeah keep movin so they have to find u.. besides u have taunts to stop heals or other stuff they do...they dont do great damage. the one duel i fought was a cleric of same level as me and he gave up once he realize i was makin him use his mana and i had way more life then him. everytime he healed it was gone the next second. __________________ Proud Ratonga part of TSB trying to stop Ratonga Punting and evenin the odds against the taller races. Meos- Ratonga Brigand lvl 80 Fredia- dwarf monk lvl 84 Inob Carpenter lvl 60

11-17-2005, 10:47 PM	#11
ArivenGemini Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,260	fre'do wrote:why healers??? all u have to do is deal them damage and make them use there mana to heal and as long as u have more mana in the end u will win. oh yeah keep movin so they have to find u.. besides u have taunts to stop heals or other stuff they do...they dont do great damage. the one duel i fought was a cleric of same level as me and he gave up once he realize i was makin him use his mana and i had way more life then him. everytime he healed it was gone the next second. Well it depends on which ones.. for example the druids can do damage to you every time you hit them.. they have fair to middling avoidance and decent regens of damage.. heck my fury has a extra regen in combat of health without me casting a spell at all.. and I also have a couple nukes, so if your interrupts are down I can get in some good hits... plus my DOTS... now my inquisitor has heavy armor for that mitigation love.. -and- I can root you, I can hit you with some spells that mean every time you do a CA or hit me you do damage, plus when my heals are up, every time you hit me you heal me.. It can be hard.. yeah we dont have a lot of DPS, but if our power levels are good, we can make you work for your win. __________________