Monk lvl 51 to 60 arts and some other things from beta...

Gaige · 08-21-2005, 07:35 AM

Here we go, since NDA is lifted, granted I don't feel too well so I'm gonna sleep after this, so I'll have to answer questions tomorrow.

Without further ado:

As you can see one of our special skills is a group FD, and the other is a 20 second, 2300ish (at app1) ward against magical damage with a 90 second recast. The few masters I have there I got just to see how spells scale, and how good the invis worked at master 1 lvl. I was invis to some lvl 59+++ group x 4 mobs and some 60+++x2 in Silent City, but I haven't had a lot of time to test it, working a ton lately.

Next is a persona screen with me in "agility mode" (which isn't saying much SMILEY

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Now keep in mind a few things while looking at these stats and my avoidance/mit numbers. This is wearing all the same stuff I'm wearing at lvl 50 w/o food or drink. My agility dolls are +12 and I'm using all 3 bloodstone rings with acgf. So this is pretty much just the stat increases you can sort of expect from gaining 10 lvls. So it will probably look way different after respec and with newer loot. Don't mind me freaking out in guild say, I just barely noticed it ;p

Now here is one with me going all strength (pris, iceduster, two +12 dolls, glove of savagery) BUT staying in the totally defensive stance. Keep in mind my stances are app1, I couldn't get them master SMILEY

Lost 40ish agility, gained some str, and I only lost a few % from my avoidance and mitigation. Not too bad I suppose.

Last but not least is all strength in my totally offensive stance (only app1 as well):

As you can see I gained some attack, some more mitigation and some more avoidance. I would call this dps mode. I'm running offensive stance, group haste, self haste, and our str/wis buff (which amounts to melee damage and resistances).

Like I said take these with a grain of salt since all of my gear is the same stuff I'm wearing currently. When all of us hit 60 and start raiding and getting spell upgrades and gear upgrades I'm sure the numbers will be a lot different, plus with our coming /respec.

More later.

Nemesis465 · 08-21-2005, 07:49 AM

Woot thanks Gaige! SMILEY

Was hoping for this.

Cwi · 08-21-2005, 08:25 AM

Thanks Gaige SMILEY

Siberia2 · 08-21-2005, 12:15 PM

Rock on!! Quick question, tho.. What's the Attack with the icon of a Cobra partially coiled next to the pouncing tiger icon and the devestation fist icon? Did they switch the icons around?

shirka · 08-21-2005, 01:07 PM

Thanks for posting this Gage SMILEY

I must say, the idea of a group FD... I had to pick myself up from rolling on the floor laughing! Definitly going to make an emote with that, ROFL! It is idiotic. I mean, How can I make someone else suddenly learn how to FD? Did SOE really think a berserker going berserk will lie still on the ground feigning death on my command? hehe I'm happy with the new invis. Always found it irritating, giving monk invis and then making it wortless at higher levels. Why does it say Brawler at Stilled life? (new FD) I hope it does not mean Bruisers also get this spell?

Message Edited by shirka on 08-21-2005 02:11 AM

Jezekie · 08-21-2005, 02:12 PM

shirka wrote: Why does it say Brawler at Stilled life? (new FD) I hope it does not mean Bruisers also get this spell?
Message Edited by shirka on 08-21-2005 02:11 AM

It would be safe to assume that. Monks and Bruisers have always had shared Combat Arts that were from either the Fighter Archtype or Brawler class. (Goading Gesture, Devastaion Fist, the feign death line, Rescue).

shirka · 08-21-2005, 03:56 PM

Monks and bruisers share some things yes. but bruiser don't have FD afaik.

Jezekie · 08-21-2005, 04:21 PM

shirka wrote:Monks and bruisers share some things yes. but bruiser don't have FD afaik.

Huh?

Linky 14 - Feign Death (Allows the brawler to sometimes trick enemies into thinking that the brawler is dead.) 28.6 - Play Dead (Allows the brawler to sometimes trick the enemies into thinking that the brawler is dead.) 42 - Stop Heart (Allows the brawler to sometimes trick enemies into thinking that the brawler is dead.) Or from the Pre-revamped list. =)

Lebr · 08-21-2005, 04:27 PM

Didnt see an upgrade for our heal is there an upgrade, Gaige ?

shirka · 08-21-2005, 05:48 PM

@ jezekiell : ah ok. I used another list and FD was missing there

FelthLightbring · 08-21-2005, 06:29 PM

Group FD !!!!! Thanks Gaige! :smileyvery-happy:

Jezekie · 08-21-2005, 07:27 PM

Lebru1 wrote:Didnt see an upgrade for our heal is there an upgrade, Gaige ?

The Combat Arts in the 51-60 range follows the same rules as the previous CA's. That is, there is an update to a CA every 14 levels. Though not all CAs are updated in higher levels. This would put the next heal upgrade at lvl 62.

Grabaan · 08-21-2005, 08:05 PM

Monks for teh win!

Fleaba · 08-21-2005, 11:22 PM

Thanks for the post Gage. Yeah, group feign is going to be nice when some raid mob decides out of nowhere that he's peeved at someone for no reason other then he's in a bad mood. LOL

Lareal · 08-21-2005, 11:35 PM

Some nice stuff in there, but I was really hoping to see a SF upgrade, to make up for what it seems they are doing to it with that "In some circumstances" comment on the description on test. SF is our single biggest contribution to raids. Ward is nice, Group FD is great, updated invis(well, let's just say about [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time)but none are likely to be a truly compelling reason to put a monk in the raid over other classes, especially if group FD fails as much as normal FD. Stifle was that reason. With it we made a big contribtution to raid success. Hopefully by the time the changes go live, SF will be changed back to more of it's current form. It is in no way overpowering, it's just another benefit to the raid.

Lebr · 08-22-2005, 07:29 AM

Jezekiell wrote:

Lebru1 wrote:
Didnt see an upgrade for our heal is there an upgrade, Gaige ?

The Combat Arts in the 51-60 range follows the same rules as the previous CA's. That is, there is an update to a CA every 14 levels. Though not all CAs are updated in higher levels. This would put the next heal upgrade at lvl 62.

Sweet thats one master i wont have to upgrade. /smirk

Renal · 08-22-2005, 10:46 AM

It sucks to be out of country and have a beta key sitting in my e-mail inbox. Keep me posted with the super secret infos Gage.

shirka · 08-22-2005, 11:33 AM

Renalan wrote:It sucks to be out of country and have a beta key sitting in my e-mail inbox.

Well that sucks bigtime......for us! Why in heavensname did you apply for beta? Did you know you were going to be out of country? Or was it some emergency?

Rohlstu · 08-22-2005, 06:24 PM

Thanks Gage. Nice info to have. While somewhat excited about the new things coming. I am disappointed also in that to be avoidance based as we are, we really aren't getting anything to boost that. Yes, nice buff for Str/Wis...but worries me that your best avoidance is almost 59%. I do realize still some more work to be done, just worried here.

StDrahcir · 08-22-2005, 07:00 PM

The avoidance we now have is the pits! I guess we definately aren't supposed to be tanks now.

Mid to High 50's at level 50. That's horrible considering I have high 70's at level 40.

Message Edited by StDrahcir on 08-22-2005 11:49 AM

Rumbi · 08-22-2005, 07:08 PM

Group Feign Death?!

/envy

NamaeZero · 08-22-2005, 07:45 PM

Rumbite wrote:

Group Feign Death?!

/envy

Why the envy? You're a Brawler too. It's not like Bruisers won't get the skill. They will.

Nemesis465 · 08-22-2005, 09:30 PM

Group FD is a monk only thing, bruisers wont get it. SMILEY

Reposa · 08-23-2005, 12:08 AM

Bruisers don't get it. A bruisers new level 50 abilities are: Kick 'em While They're Down(deal additional damage if the opponent is on the ground) Sonic Fists (a teleport attack that does slow damage at range) Stone Deaf (absorbs 1 hit)

Little_Cr · 08-23-2005, 02:16 AM

sounds like some great spells!

so to clarify, is the Group FD an actual FD where the group is stripped of buffs and literally FD.

OR is it a "the mob THINKS the group is FD" and acts accordingly. i.e. basically a big whopping de-taunt?

Doug · 08-23-2005, 02:47 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

FD no longer strips buffs.

Crunion · 08-23-2005, 02:48 AM

:smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by Crunion on 08-22-2005 04:11 PM

Cwi · 08-23-2005, 02:53 AM

According to this post FD won't cancel Maintained spells or pets anymore. I am not on Test or Beta but looking at the description it is a real FD.

Message Edited by Cwiyk on 08-22-2005 05:59 PM

Gaige · 08-23-2005, 04:11 AM

Cwiyk wrote:
According to this post FD won't cancel Maintained spells or pets anymore. I am not on Test or Beta but looking at the description it is a real FD.

Yup that is correct, and you now get a message when you fail a FD attempt. Its a lot better imho.

Skha · 08-23-2005, 02:52 PM

That looks like a tanking nerf to me.

08-21-2005, 07:35 AM	#1
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Here we go, since NDA is lifted, granted I don't feel too well so I'm gonna sleep after this, so I'll have to answer questions tomorrow. Without further ado: As you can see one of our special skills is a group FD, and the other is a 20 second, 2300ish (at app1) ward against magical damage with a 90 second recast. The few masters I have there I got just to see how spells scale, and how good the invis worked at master 1 lvl. I was invis to some lvl 59+++ group x 4 mobs and some 60+++x2 in Silent City, but I haven't had a lot of time to test it, working a ton lately. Next is a persona screen with me in "agility mode" (which isn't saying much ) Now keep in mind a few things while looking at these stats and my avoidance/mit numbers. This is wearing all the same stuff I'm wearing at lvl 50 w/o food or drink. My agility dolls are +12 and I'm using all 3 bloodstone rings with acgf. So this is pretty much just the stat increases you can sort of expect from gaining 10 lvls. So it will probably look way different after respec and with newer loot. Don't mind me freaking out in guild say, I just barely noticed it ;p Now here is one with me going all strength (pris, iceduster, two +12 dolls, glove of savagery) BUT staying in the totally defensive stance. Keep in mind my stances are app1, I couldn't get them master Lost 40ish agility, gained some str, and I only lost a few % from my avoidance and mitigation. Not too bad I suppose. Last but not least is all strength in my totally offensive stance (only app1 as well): As you can see I gained some attack, some more mitigation and some more avoidance. I would call this dps mode. I'm running offensive stance, group haste, self haste, and our str/wis buff (which amounts to melee damage and resistances). Like I said take these with a grain of salt since all of my gear is the same stuff I'm wearing currently. When all of us hit 60 and start raiding and getting spell upgrades and gear upgrades I'm sure the numbers will be a lot different, plus with our coming /respec. More later. __________________

08-21-2005, 07:49 AM	#2
Nemesis465 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	Woot thanks Gaige! Was hoping for this.

08-21-2005, 08:25 AM	#3
Cwi Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 187	Thanks Gaige __________________

08-21-2005, 12:15 PM	#4
Siberia2 General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 91	Rock on!! Quick question, tho.. What's the Attack with the icon of a Cobra partially coiled next to the pouncing tiger icon and the devestation fist icon? Did they switch the icons around? __________________

08-21-2005, 01:07 PM	#5
shirka Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 234	Thanks for posting this Gage I must say, the idea of a group FD... I had to pick myself up from rolling on the floor laughing! Definitly going to make an emote with that, ROFL! It is idiotic. I mean, How can I make someone else suddenly learn how to FD? Did SOE really think a berserker going berserk will lie still on the ground feigning death on my command? hehe I'm happy with the new invis. Always found it irritating, giving monk invis and then making it wortless at higher levels. Why does it say Brawler at Stilled life? (new FD) I hope it does not mean Bruisers also get this spell? Message Edited by shirka on 08-21-2005 02:11 AM __________________

08-21-2005, 02:12 PM	#6
Jezekie General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,136	shirka wrote: Why does it say Brawler at Stilled life? (new FD) I hope it does not mean Bruisers also get this spell? Message Edited by shirka on 08-21-2005 02:11 AM It would be safe to assume that. Monks and Bruisers have always had shared Combat Arts that were from either the Fighter Archtype or Brawler class. (Goading Gesture, Devastaion Fist, the feign death line, Rescue). __________________ ---------------------------- Retired

08-21-2005, 03:56 PM	#7
shirka Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 234	Monks and bruisers share some things yes. but bruiser don't have FD afaik. __________________

08-21-2005, 04:21 PM	#8
Jezekie General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,136	shirka wrote:Monks and bruisers share some things yes. but bruiser don't have FD afaik. Huh? Linky 14 - Feign Death (Allows the brawler to sometimes trick enemies into thinking that the brawler is dead.) 28.6 - Play Dead (Allows the brawler to sometimes trick the enemies into thinking that the brawler is dead.) 42 - Stop Heart (Allows the brawler to sometimes trick enemies into thinking that the brawler is dead.) Or from the Pre-revamped list. =) __________________ ---------------------------- Retired

08-21-2005, 04:27 PM	#9
Lebr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 122	Didnt see an upgrade for our heal is there an upgrade, Gaige ? __________________ T r a n q u i l ~ O n e

08-21-2005, 05:48 PM	#10
shirka Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 234	@ jezekiell : ah ok. I used another list and FD was missing there __________________

08-21-2005, 06:29 PM	#11
FelthLightbring General Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 140	Group FD !!!!! Thanks Gaige! :smileyvery-happy: __________________

08-21-2005, 07:27 PM	#12
Jezekie General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,136	Lebru1 wrote:Didnt see an upgrade for our heal is there an upgrade, Gaige ? The Combat Arts in the 51-60 range follows the same rules as the previous CA's. That is, there is an update to a CA every 14 levels. Though not all CAs are updated in higher levels. This would put the next heal upgrade at lvl 62. __________________ ---------------------------- Retired

08-21-2005, 08:05 PM	#13
Grabaan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 135	Monks for teh win!

08-21-2005, 11:22 PM	#14
Fleaba General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 179	Thanks for the post Gage. Yeah, group feign is going to be nice when some raid mob decides out of nowhere that he's peeved at someone for no reason other then he's in a bad mood. LOL __________________

08-21-2005, 11:35 PM	#15
Lareal Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 89	Some nice stuff in there, but I was really hoping to see a SF upgrade, to make up for what it seems they are doing to it with that "In some circumstances" comment on the description on test. SF is our single biggest contribution to raids. Ward is nice, Group FD is great, updated invis(well, let's just say about [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time)but none are likely to be a truly compelling reason to put a monk in the raid over other classes, especially if group FD fails as much as normal FD. Stifle was that reason. With it we made a big contribtution to raid success. Hopefully by the time the changes go live, SF will be changed back to more of it's current form. It is in no way overpowering, it's just another benefit to the raid.

08-22-2005, 07:29 AM	#16
Lebr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 122	Jezekiell wrote: Lebru1 wrote: Didnt see an upgrade for our heal is there an upgrade, Gaige ? The Combat Arts in the 51-60 range follows the same rules as the previous CA's. That is, there is an update to a CA every 14 levels. Though not all CAs are updated in higher levels. This would put the next heal upgrade at lvl 62. Sweet thats one master i wont have to upgrade. /smirk __________________ T r a n q u i l ~ O n e

08-22-2005, 10:46 AM	#17
Renal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	It sucks to be out of country and have a beta key sitting in my e-mail inbox. Keep me posted with the super secret infos Gage.

08-22-2005, 11:33 AM	#18
shirka Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 234	Renalan wrote:It sucks to be out of country and have a beta key sitting in my e-mail inbox. Well that sucks bigtime......for us! Why in heavensname did you apply for beta? Did you know you were going to be out of country? Or was it some emergency? __________________

08-22-2005, 06:24 PM	#19
Rohlstu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	Thanks Gage. Nice info to have. While somewhat excited about the new things coming. I am disappointed also in that to be avoidance based as we are, we really aren't getting anything to boost that. Yes, nice buff for Str/Wis...but worries me that your best avoidance is almost 59%. I do realize still some more work to be done, just worried here. __________________ Vin Diesel once beat Super Mario Bros 3 without even touching his Nintendo controller. He just yelled at his TV in between bites of his "Filet of Child" sandwich, and the game beat itself out of fear.

08-22-2005, 07:00 PM	#20
StDrahcir Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 26	The avoidance we now have is the pits! I guess we definately aren't supposed to be tanks now. Mid to High 50's at level 50. That's horrible considering I have high 70's at level 40. Message Edited by StDrahcir on 08-22-2005 11:49 AM __________________ _________________________________ I died faster and more often the a ranger in a pit of moss snakes - Wingrider01

08-22-2005, 07:08 PM	#21
Rumbi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 145	Group Feign Death?! /envy __________________ ________________________________ Knuckle the Barbarian -- 60 Bruiser Officer of Retribution Oasis Server

08-22-2005, 07:45 PM	#22
NamaeZero Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 242	Rumbite wrote: Group Feign Death?! /envy Why the envy? You're a Brawler too. It's not like Bruisers won't get the skill. They will.

08-22-2005, 09:30 PM	#23
Nemesis465 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	Group FD is a monk only thing, bruisers wont get it.

08-23-2005, 12:08 AM	#24
Reposa Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 128	Bruisers don't get it. A bruisers new level 50 abilities are: Kick 'em While They're Down(deal additional damage if the opponent is on the ground) Sonic Fists (a teleport attack that does slow damage at range) Stone Deaf (absorbs 1 hit) __________________

08-23-2005, 02:16 AM	#25
Little_Cr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 31	sounds like some great spells! so to clarify, is the Group FD an actual FD where the group is stripped of buffs and literally FD. OR is it a "the mob THINKS the group is FD" and acts accordingly. i.e. basically a big whopping de-taunt? __________________

08-23-2005, 02:47 AM	#26
Doug Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 52	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FD no longer strips buffs. __________________ â€¢â€¢ Visit us at Rumblebelly Boys Entertainment â€¢â€¢ Hall of Shame â€¢â€¢

08-23-2005, 02:48 AM	#27
Crunion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	:smileyvery-happy: Message Edited by Crunion on 08-22-2005 04:11 PM __________________

08-23-2005, 02:53 AM	#28
Cwi Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 187	According to this post FD won't cancel Maintained spells or pets anymore. I am not on Test or Beta but looking at the description it is a real FD. Message Edited by Cwiyk on 08-22-2005 05:59 PM __________________

08-23-2005, 04:11 AM	#29
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Cwiyk wrote: According to this post FD won't cancel Maintained spells or pets anymore. I am not on Test or Beta but looking at the description it is a real FD. Yup that is correct, and you now get a message when you fail a FD attempt. Its a lot better imho. __________________

08-23-2005, 02:52 PM	#30
Skha Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 117	That looks like a tanking nerf to me.