Some testing with /feign

bonesbro · 12-13-2004, 05:12 AM

Ran a quick set of 50 tests with /feign. Level 25 Monk, using FD Adept 1.(If you haven't tried /feign yet, it reports your feign value and your target's seefeign value, and tells you whether your target thinks you're feigning death or not)average feign 26.57894737median 28stdev 3.83885948fail % 24.00%min 21max 32Two other things I discovered: If your feign is a success, but your feign value is less than their seefeign value, your buffs still get stripped but they will see through your feign and attack. Also, if your feign value and their seefeign value tie the feign is a failure. Higher level mobs have higher seefeign values. I have some notes below on what seefeign values I found on different mobs.

Message Edited by bonesbro on 12-12-2004 09:26 PM

Kwonryu_DragonFi · 12-13-2004, 05:33 AM

Play Dead (Master) should yield some decent feignvalues.

bonesbro · 12-13-2004, 07:57 AM

Agreed. WTB level 28 and Play Dead (Master 1) SMILEY

Ala · 12-13-2004, 08:22 AM

Rather than Feign Death I just use the /kill command. It's exactly like feign death except you get xp debt and have to recover your shard. But it does work 100% of the time.

bonesbro · 12-13-2004, 10:25 AM

After 100 trials at 25, Adept 1 FD:average feign 26.58024691median 27stdev 3.379586504fail % 19.00%min 21max 32Failed a lot less in this set of tests.Here are some numbers I took from mob seefeign values:mob level seefeign26 2226 2228 2330- 2530 2530++ 2531 2632 2732++ 27

netswine · 12-13-2004, 12:14 PM

I am no mathematician or statistician, but If I am reading your data correctly, does it mean that we have around a 80% success rate with Feign Death adept 1 at lvl 25?

bonesbro · 12-13-2004, 01:15 PM

It would be 80% or so if the mob's seefeign was below your roll.With the numbers tonight, at 25:fail 22 % 28.36%fail 23 % 29.69%fail 24 % 34.55%fail 25 % 38.00%fail 26 % 43.18%fail 27 % 52.78%It looks like a mob's seefeign number is roughly 75-80% of their level.

bonesbro · 12-30-2004, 10:31 PM

Just hit 28.6. Took another sample of the old FD (adept 1) and the new PD (adept 1):Feign Death (Adept 1) at 28.6:average feign 26.77777778median 27stdev 3.696416111fail % 28.00%min 21max 32Play Dead (Adept 1) at 28.6:average feign 31.02631579median 31stdev 2.552019255fail % 24.00%min 27max 36Only 50 trials ([expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] that 10s reuse timer) so the difference in fail% is not statistically significant. Hopefully PD is capped right now. I also wasn't clever enough to test the app1 before I scriped the adept1.

Wintermoo · 12-31-2004, 01:47 AM

I appreciate the information bonesbro, thanks!

Mamasee · 12-31-2004, 01:51 AM

Bonesbro:This seems to be inline with my experences, thanks for the reserch.

Dooy · 12-31-2004, 02:13 AM

Sorry, but /kill does not work in the game. Give it a try if you don't believe me.

Wintermoo · 12-31-2004, 02:25 AM

dude...he was joking. :smileyvery-happy:

Cora · 12-31-2004, 02:52 AM

My experience at 34 with PD app3 is fail fail fail 27 fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail 28 fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail 39 fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail 28.

Dooy · 12-31-2004, 05:15 AM

Oh, I know he is joking, unfortuantly it seems every night at least 3-4 people try the joke, which really isnt all that funny, unlike telling someone /q means it mutes the sound. Now that is funny.

Wintermoo · 12-31-2004, 05:22 AM

there is something to be said for /q...takes me back to the early days of EQ1 lol

kennethh · 12-31-2004, 06:32 AM

btw how to set up a FD marco ?

i try /useability Play Dead; /feign;

but that is not working =_=

anyone can help ?

WackyDakky · 12-31-2004, 08:50 AM

kennethhon wrote:

btw how to set up a FD marco ?

i try /useability Play Dead; /feign;

but that is not working =_=

anyone can help ?

: ; useability Play Dead ; /feign

Exactly like that.

kennethh · 12-31-2004, 09:51 AM

wht about a inc marco ? is that like the below ?

: ; /g inc %t ; useability range attack ;

correct ? ^^

Raminicus · 12-31-2004, 11:49 PM

Dooyas wrote:

Oh, I know he is joking, unfortuantly it seems every night at least 3-4 people try the joke, which really isnt all that funny, unlike telling someone /q means it mutes the sound. Now that is funny.

/guildr would check your rank in your guild in SWG ... I'm not guilded in EQ2 so I dont' know if it's the same here ... SMILEY

Wintermoo · 01-01-2005, 02:48 AM

WackyDakky wrote:

kennethhon wrote:

btw how to set up a FD marco ?

i try /useability Play Dead; /feign;

but that is not working =_=

anyone can help ?

: ; useability Play Dead ; /feign

Exactly like that.

My macro actually looks a little different than that, but I guess both ways work

/: ;useability feign death ;feign

that syntax exactly

12-13-2004, 05:12 AM	#1
bonesbro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	Ran a quick set of 50 tests with /feign. Level 25 Monk, using FD Adept 1.(If you haven't tried /feign yet, it reports your feign value and your target's seefeign value, and tells you whether your target thinks you're feigning death or not)average feign 26.57894737median 28stdev 3.83885948fail % 24.00%min 21max 32Two other things I discovered: If your feign is a success, but your feign value is less than their seefeign value, your buffs still get stripped but they will see through your feign and attack. Also, if your feign value and their seefeign value tie the feign is a failure. Higher level mobs have higher seefeign values. I have some notes below on what seefeign values I found on different mobs. Message Edited by bonesbro on 12-12-2004 09:26 PM __________________ Legond of Najena, Monk Ancient.

12-13-2004, 07:57 AM	#3
bonesbro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	Agreed. WTB level 28 and Play Dead (Master 1) __________________ Legond of Najena, Monk Ancient.

12-13-2004, 08:22 AM	#4
Ala Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 185	Rather than Feign Death I just use the /kill command. It's exactly like feign death except you get xp debt and have to recover your shard. But it does work 100% of the time. __________________ -Retired from EQ2. Have fun everyone!

12-13-2004, 10:25 AM	#5
bonesbro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	After 100 trials at 25, Adept 1 FD:average feign 26.58024691median 27stdev 3.379586504fail % 19.00%min 21max 32Failed a lot less in this set of tests.Here are some numbers I took from mob seefeign values:mob level seefeign26 2226 2228 2330- 2530 2530++ 2531 2632 2732++ 27 __________________ Legond of Najena, Monk Ancient.

12-13-2004, 12:14 PM	#6
netswine Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 61	I am no mathematician or statistician, but If I am reading your data correctly, does it mean that we have around a 80% success rate with Feign Death adept 1 at lvl 25? __________________ ------ There's no place I can be Since I found Serenity But you can't take the sky from me...

12-13-2004, 05:33 AM	#2
Kwonryu_DragonFi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 183	Play Dead (Master) should yield some decent feignvalues.

12-13-2004, 01:15 PM	#7
bonesbro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	It would be 80% or so if the mob's seefeign was below your roll.With the numbers tonight, at 25:fail 22 % 28.36%fail 23 % 29.69%fail 24 % 34.55%fail 25 % 38.00%fail 26 % 43.18%fail 27 % 52.78%It looks like a mob's seefeign number is roughly 75-80% of their level. __________________ Legond of Najena, Monk Ancient.

12-30-2004, 10:31 PM	#8
bonesbro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	Just hit 28.6. Took another sample of the old FD (adept 1) and the new PD (adept 1):Feign Death (Adept 1) at 28.6:average feign 26.77777778median 27stdev 3.696416111fail % 28.00%min 21max 32Play Dead (Adept 1) at 28.6:average feign 31.02631579median 31stdev 2.552019255fail % 24.00%min 27max 36Only 50 trials ([expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] that 10s reuse timer) so the difference in fail% is not statistically significant. Hopefully PD is capped right now. I also wasn't clever enough to test the app1 before I scriped the adept1. __________________ Legond of Najena, Monk Ancient.

12-31-2004, 01:47 AM	#9
Wintermoo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	I appreciate the information bonesbro, thanks! __________________ Shaolinmasta Fistsofury-65 Transcendent-Fennin Ro Sempai-Monk-Oggok

12-31-2004, 01:51 AM	#10
Mamasee Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 379	Bonesbro:This seems to be inline with my experences, thanks for the reserch.

12-31-2004, 02:13 AM	#11
Dooy General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 67	Sorry, but /kill does not work in the game. Give it a try if you don't believe me. __________________ Dronk The Monk 33rd Ka-Ching! Crushbone

12-31-2004, 02:25 AM	#12
Wintermoo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	dude...he was joking. :smileyvery-happy: __________________ Shaolinmasta Fistsofury-65 Transcendent-Fennin Ro Sempai-Monk-Oggok

12-31-2004, 02:52 AM	#13
Cora Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 244	My experience at 34 with PD app3 is fail fail fail 27 fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail 28 fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail 39 fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail 28.

12-31-2004, 05:15 AM	#14
Dooy General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 67	Oh, I know he is joking, unfortuantly it seems every night at least 3-4 people try the joke, which really isnt all that funny, unlike telling someone /q means it mutes the sound. Now that is funny. __________________ Dronk The Monk 33rd Ka-Ching! Crushbone

12-31-2004, 05:22 AM	#15
Wintermoo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	there is something to be said for /q...takes me back to the early days of EQ1 lol __________________ Shaolinmasta Fistsofury-65 Transcendent-Fennin Ro Sempai-Monk-Oggok

12-31-2004, 06:32 AM	#16
kennethh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	btw how to set up a FD marco ? i try /useability Play Dead; /feign; but that is not working =_= anyone can help ?

12-31-2004, 08:50 AM	#17
WackyDakky Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 74	kennethhon wrote: btw how to set up a FD marco ? i try /useability Play Dead; /feign; but that is not working =_= anyone can help ? : ; useability Play Dead ; /feign Exactly like that.

12-31-2004, 09:51 AM	#18
kennethh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	wht about a inc marco ? is that like the below ? : ; /g inc %t ; useability range attack ; correct ? ^^

12-31-2004, 11:49 PM	#19
Raminicus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 196	Dooyas wrote: Oh, I know he is joking, unfortuantly it seems every night at least 3-4 people try the joke, which really isnt all that funny, unlike telling someone /q means it mutes the sound. Now that is funny. /guildr would check your rank in your guild in SWG ... I'm not guilded in EQ2 so I dont' know if it's the same here ... __________________ ================================ Proud new member of the Blackhawks Guild Colindo Ailaendroria, Warlock of Qeynos Naelin Anduial, Ranger of Qeynos Rilvayne, ShadowKnight of Freeport Krroog, Berzerker of Freeport ================================

01-01-2005, 02:48 AM	#20
Wintermoo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	WackyDakky wrote: kennethhon wrote: btw how to set up a FD marco ? i try /useability Play Dead; /feign; but that is not working =_= anyone can help ? : ; useability Play Dead ; /feign Exactly like that. My macro actually looks a little different than that, but I guess both ways work /: ;useability feign death ;feign that syntax exactly __________________ Shaolinmasta Fistsofury-65 Transcendent-Fennin Ro Sempai-Monk-Oggok