Let the AA nerfs begin....

Xibi · 03-05-2006, 09:56 AM

I just noticed today, in our stamina line, the mitigation increase is 35 now instead of 40. And in the line that lets our normal attack become an AE attack, it is 3% instead of 5%.

How much you want to bet 3 months from now, they'll be half of that. Or even less. I guess the only way to get any dps is to betray to a zerker. I can't wait until they remove the level restriction. Oh happy days will be here....

Sirlutt · 03-05-2006, 10:42 AM

it could be worse.. you could be one of the other tanks who dont get a whole bunch of free mitigation and once again are on the broken end of the "we all tank equally) slogan .. Zerkers and Guards get a nice mit increase that the others dont get... puts us back to the top of the pile.

Chog · 03-05-2006, 01:31 PM

Xibitt wrote:
I just noticed today, in our stamina line, the mitigation increase is 35 now instead of 40. And in the line that lets our normal attack become an AE attack, it is 3% instead of 5%.

How much you want to bet 3 months from now, they'll be half of that. Or even less. I guess the only way to get any dps is to betray to a zerker. I can't wait until they remove the level restriction. Oh happy days will be here....

Thought those numbers changed while in Beta... /shrug

Wado · 03-05-2006, 06:47 PM

they were changed in beta - and personally, i don't think nerfs in beta countso far all they've done is improve obliterate

Message Edited by Wadoon on 03-05-200605:47 AM

Xibi · 03-05-2006, 07:55 PM

Oh ok. I could have swore that I got those numbers from looking at my skills when KoS came out. I guess I was just looking at threads here that have the wrong information. Well that's good to know that they haven't been adjusting AA's down after release.

(and btw yeah that does suck that other tanks don't get a mitigation AA) But then again if we choose that path to get more mitigation, we'll still never even come close to matching your dps since the only thing we get out of spending 20 points to get it is 10% dps increase. I think we need about 200% more dps to match what you guys do. lol

Spike · 03-06-2006, 01:12 PM

Btw it's the wis line and as you level the mitigation goes up,its not just 35 or whatever. When i can put another point into it it will go up by 38, so it does increase just level.

MrMartin · 03-06-2006, 03:16 PM

Spike92 wrote:
Btw it's the wis line and as you level the mitigation goes up,its not just 35 or whatever. When i can put another point into it it will go up by 38, so it does increase just level.

So at second Rank it will be 35+38 = 73?

Furriest · 03-06-2006, 11:30 PM

I wish that were the case but no. If u are looking at your persona window when u select the next rank of a stat AA it only goes up the difference between the two. Think of it as a buff and each rank upgrades to app1, app2, app3 and so on. So in this case your mit will only go up 3 not an extra 38 because the 35 is app2 and ur just upgrading to app3 or whatever rank that value is set on.

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Furriest Maximuss LvL 56 Ranger

Co-Leader of The Fury Council

(Lavastorm) Nektulos

Spike · 03-07-2006, 02:21 AM

I have 4 ranks in it and am level 67 and it adds 150 mit atm, and it says when I put another rank in it it goes to 188.

Message Edited by Spike92 on 03-06-200601:21 PM

Barsh Barshmor · 03-07-2006, 02:22 AM

MrMartin wrote:So at second Rank it will be 35+38 = 73?

no ...

if you check out the numbers associated with each skill or AA ability, they actually scale up with your level. This is done so that the abilities actually scale to your level.

For example Belly smash rank 4 debuffed 1008 miti at level 65 and now at level 67 it debuffs by 1208 miti.

The mitigation increase line works the same way ... @ level 60 it read as a 35 miti increase at level 67 it reads as a 38 point increase. With the increase going is it is I assume by level 70 each point spent into the miti lin will actually be worth +40 miti...

Knightrid · 03-07-2006, 08:05 AM

At level 70 it's 39 mit per point...Why couldn't they have just gone with the nice round 40? Ugh...

Heisenberg

70 Guardian

Iniquity-Oasis

MrMartin · 03-07-2006, 12:57 PM

Thanks for the mitigation info.

Im "only" lvl 55 ATM and so far only earned 4-5 AAs so Im still deciding what line to go with.

ATM thinking about STR-line since I just had a 2-hand cobalt executioner axe made for me...

Where can I find a nice 1-hand hammer for a tank so I can go down the WIS-line?

Wabit · 03-07-2006, 11:45 PM

MrMartin wrote:
Where can I find a nice 1-hand hammer for a tank so I can go down the WIS-line?

maces work too... think i'm useing morningstar of the guard or something like that... i haven't seen a nice hammer since t5...

03-05-2006, 10:42 AM	#2
Sirlutt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,149	it could be worse.. you could be one of the other tanks who dont get a whole bunch of free mitigation and once again are on the broken end of the "we all tank equally) slogan .. Zerkers and Guards get a nice mit increase that the others dont get... puts us back to the top of the pile. __________________ I heart DE Broads

03-05-2006, 01:31 PM	#3
Chog General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Xibitt wrote: I just noticed today, in our stamina line, the mitigation increase is 35 now instead of 40. And in the line that lets our normal attack become an AE attack, it is 3% instead of 5%. How much you want to bet 3 months from now, they'll be half of that. Or even less. I guess the only way to get any dps is to betray to a zerker. I can't wait until they remove the level restriction. Oh happy days will be here.... Thought those numbers changed while in Beta... /shrug __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances."--Department of Social Services, Greenville, South Carolina

03-06-2006, 01:12 PM	#6
Spike General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 69	Btw it's the wis line and as you level the mitigation goes up,its not just 35 or whatever. When i can put another point into it it will go up by 38, so it does increase just level. __________________ 3rd level 70 Berserker on Nektulos

03-06-2006, 03:16 PM	#7
MrMartin Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 155	Spike92 wrote: Btw it's the wis line and as you level the mitigation goes up,its not just 35 or whatever. When i can put another point into it it will go up by 38, so it does increase just level. So at second Rank it will be 35+38 = 73? __________________ Ecum - 80 Necromancer Lekoaf - 75 Guardian Pooc - 73 Bruiser/80 Alchemist Member of Mythic Legion of Runnyeye

03-07-2006, 02:21 AM	#9
Spike General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 69	I have 4 ranks in it and am level 67 and it adds 150 mit atm, and it says when I put another rank in it it goes to 188. Message Edited by Spike92 on 03-06-200601:21 PM __________________ 3rd level 70 Berserker on Nektulos

03-05-2006, 09:56 AM	#1
Xibi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 81	I just noticed today, in our stamina line, the mitigation increase is 35 now instead of 40. And in the line that lets our normal attack become an AE attack, it is 3% instead of 5%. How much you want to bet 3 months from now, they'll be half of that. Or even less. I guess the only way to get any dps is to betray to a zerker. I can't wait until they remove the level restriction. Oh happy days will be here....

03-05-2006, 06:47 PM	#4
Wado Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 67	they were changed in beta - and personally, i don't think nerfs in beta countso far all they've done is improve obliterate Message Edited by Wadoon on 03-05-200605:47 AM

03-05-2006, 07:55 PM	#5
Xibi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 81	Oh ok. I could have swore that I got those numbers from looking at my skills when KoS came out. I guess I was just looking at threads here that have the wrong information. Well that's good to know that they haven't been adjusting AA's down after release. (and btw yeah that does suck that other tanks don't get a mitigation AA) But then again if we choose that path to get more mitigation, we'll still never even come close to matching your dps since the only thing we get out of spending 20 points to get it is 10% dps increase. I think we need about 200% more dps to match what you guys do. lol

03-06-2006, 11:30 PM	#8
Furriest Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 34	I wish that were the case but no. If u are looking at your persona window when u select the next rank of a stat AA it only goes up the difference between the two. Think of it as a buff and each rank upgrades to app1, app2, app3 and so on. So in this case your mit will only go up 3 not an extra 38 because the 35 is app2 and ur just upgrading to app3 or whatever rank that value is set on. Madam Melissaford LvL 65 Guardian Furriest Maximuss LvL 56 Ranger Co-Leader of The Fury Council (Lavastorm) Nektulos

03-07-2006, 02:22 AM	#10
Barsh Barshmor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	MrMartin wrote:So at second Rank it will be 35+38 = 73? no ... if you check out the numbers associated with each skill or AA ability, they actually scale up with your level. This is done so that the abilities actually scale to your level. For example Belly smash rank 4 debuffed 1008 miti at level 65 and now at level 67 it debuffs by 1208 miti. The mitigation increase line works the same way ... @ level 60 it read as a 35 miti increase at level 67 it reads as a 38 point increase. With the increase going is it is I assume by level 70 each point spent into the miti lin will actually be worth +40 miti...

03-07-2006, 08:05 AM	#11
Knightrid General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	At level 70 it's 39 mit per point...Why couldn't they have just gone with the nice round 40? Ugh... Heisenberg 70 Guardian Iniquity-Oasis

03-07-2006, 12:57 PM	#12
MrMartin Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 155	Thanks for the mitigation info. Im "only" lvl 55 ATM and so far only earned 4-5 AAs so Im still deciding what line to go with. ATM thinking about STR-line since I just had a 2-hand cobalt executioner axe made for me... Where can I find a nice 1-hand hammer for a tank so I can go down the WIS-line? __________________ Ecum - 80 Necromancer Lekoaf - 75 Guardian Pooc - 73 Bruiser/80 Alchemist Member of Mythic Legion of Runnyeye

03-07-2006, 11:45 PM	#13
Wabit Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 802	MrMartin wrote: Where can I find a nice 1-hand hammer for a tank so I can go down the WIS-line? maces work too... think i'm useing morningstar of the guard or something like that... i haven't seen a nice hammer since t5... __________________ Wabit- 80 guardian Trixr- 70 carpenter - Oasis (part time Warden) Thoog- 80 monk - Oasis