Strategy for using Tower of Stone?

Thor · 11-17-2005, 03:20 PM

I haven't used this 'utility' yet and would like some input from those with some experience from using it raids.

I have a few qustions:

Do you use it in every raid situation?
How many shields do you usually bring with you?
I guess every guardian have at least one "main" shield, a T6 rare or fabled. What are the other shields? Simple wood shields or are you trying to bring as many rare/fabled shields as possible becuase of the stats?
What tactics do you use for swapping shields?
a) Swap to a simple wood
b) Cast ToS
c) Switch back to Fabled/rare when shield are broken (for the stats)
d) Swap to a simple wood when ToS is up again and so on.
What's your overall experience of ToS? Does it really help you in any situation?

Wilde3 · 11-17-2005, 03:51 PM

Hmm.. I don't think the shield breaks after just one cast. It can only absorb dmg 3 times. Adept III / Master I redcues the amount of dmg the shield takes. One shield is good for probably 3 casts of ToS. It has a 2 minute recast. I don't think any mob will give you enough time to cast it 3 times. SMILEY

-Foehammer

50 Guardian of Najena

Second Dawn

Axor · 11-17-2005, 03:54 PM

i like that skill, but isnt viable.

I have 5 shields, 1 fabled kite, is the one i use usually, 1 rare t6, the first one i use with ToS, and 3 comon t6 ones.

I cast ToS on first secs of the pull once it absorved the 3 hits i switch to fabled kite.

If the fight is going hard i use it every time i can burning out shields ( legendary last 2 use ( 45% each time ), commons last 1 ( 75%-90% )).

Its inviable because i should carry 200 shields with me to be able to use it every time I would.

it should be 1% dmg or none at all.. other way is almost stupid.

The spell works pretty well

Shakir10 · 11-17-2005, 06:00 PM

Wilde375 wrote:

Hmm.. I don't think the shield breaks after just one cast. It can only absorb dmg 3 times. Adept III / Master I redcues the amount of dmg the shield takes. One shield is good for probably 3 casts of ToS. It has a 2 minute recast. I don't think any mob will give you enough time to cast it 3 times.

-Foehammer

50 Guardian of Najena

Second Dawn

Yes it does break after 1 use if your fighting epic mobs. I was down in Silent City yesterday in raid area, used tower of stone, and bam, broke on the third hit. Luckily I still had a second tower shield on me.

Oh, I have Adept III tower of stone too. /shrugs And both of my Tower Shields are Fabled. Not sure what axor is saying about the 45% thing. Maybe that is on normal mobs.

Message Edited by Shakir1065 on 11-17-2005 05:02 AM

Axor · 11-17-2005, 06:38 PM

mine is adept 1, as far as i know the dmg diference is not enough to give shield another use on adept 3, so im waiting for master 1.

on legendary shield : 15% per hit ( 3 hit = 45% )

on common shield 25%-30% per hit ( 3 hit 75% -90% ) seems variable

Dont have a fabled tower shield to try it out.

Shakir10 · 11-17-2005, 07:58 PM

ok, maybe it has something to do with the difference then between heroic encounters and Epic encounters. For the dammage done to a shield

germanicus2112 · 11-17-2005, 09:43 PM

I carry around 3 ironwoods, plus a cedar and zalaks.

Ironwood are very cheap on my server so I will probably have a few more made for kicks.

Im finding at adept3 the shield usually takes 13% damage per absorption.

So each shield can take around 7 hits before becoming useless. The hit messages give you the unmitigated damage numbers (which makes sense, your shield isnt beneath your armor).

TunaBoo · 11-18-2005, 01:15 AM

6 t5 fabled, 2 iron wood, 2 t6 fabled.. but still not enough. I falt our refuses to pay an extra 50gp a day in repairs due to a bugged spell.

Landiin · 11-18-2005, 01:22 AM

Yes I to refuse to use it.. And whats worse it the 'OTHER' tank gets the exact same skill but it does not dmg there eqpt. There is no draw back to it what so ever.

germanicus2112 · 11-18-2005, 01:36 AM

TunaBoo wrote:
6 t5 fabled, 2 iron wood, 2 t6 fabled.. but still not enough. I falt our refuses to pay an extra 50gp a day in repairs due to a bugged spell.

How is it bugged? It does what it says it does.

TunaBoo · 11-18-2005, 02:55 AM

Any spell that uses up5 shields per hour of tanking, when other classess get a better version of it with no equipment loss, is clearly defective.

Finedo · 11-18-2005, 09:51 AM

i say tower of stone should damage your sheild but menders shouldnt charge too repair them

blueduckie · 11-18-2005, 11:47 AM

It is mostly onyl worth using if you hit orange or red. It only takes around 1100 dmg hit max to go off. Reactives basically absorb everything else. So it gives your healers that extra time to fill you up. Isnt worth using unless in a emergency unless as people said. You wanna pay alot on repair bills.

Urglu · 11-18-2005, 07:32 PM

TunaBoo wrote:
Any spell that uses up5 shields per hour of tanking, when other classess get a better version of it with no equipment loss, is clearly defective.

Couldn't agree more. If the damage was minimal I could live with it, but as it is, the spell is nearly useless. I'd rather they increase the recast and take out the damage to the shield or pretty much any other tradeoff.

Wli · 11-19-2005, 12:32 AM

Guards should have a abilitie to mend the shield, out of combat ...

11-17-2005, 03:20 PM	#1
Thor Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 80	I haven't used this 'utility' yet and would like some input from those with some experience from using it raids. I have a few qustions: Do you use it in every raid situation? How many shields do you usually bring with you? I guess every guardian have at least one "main" shield, a T6 rare or fabled. What are the other shields? Simple wood shields or are you trying to bring as many rare/fabled shields as possible becuase of the stats? What tactics do you use for swapping shields? a) Swap to a simple wood b) Cast ToS c) Switch back to Fabled/rare when shield are broken (for the stats) d) Swap to a simple wood when ToS is up again and so on. What's your overall experience of ToS? Does it really help you in any situation?

11-17-2005, 03:51 PM	#2
Wilde3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 12	Hmm.. I don't think the shield breaks after just one cast. It can only absorb dmg 3 times. Adept III / Master I redcues the amount of dmg the shield takes. One shield is good for probably 3 casts of ToS. It has a 2 minute recast. I don't think any mob will give you enough time to cast it 3 times. -Foehammer 50 Guardian of Najena Second Dawn

11-17-2005, 06:00 PM	#4
Shakir10 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 175	Wilde375 wrote: Hmm.. I don't think the shield breaks after just one cast. It can only absorb dmg 3 times. Adept III / Master I redcues the amount of dmg the shield takes. One shield is good for probably 3 casts of ToS. It has a 2 minute recast. I don't think any mob will give you enough time to cast it 3 times. -Foehammer 50 Guardian of Najena Second Dawn Yes it does break after 1 use if your fighting epic mobs. I was down in Silent City yesterday in raid area, used tower of stone, and bam, broke on the third hit. Luckily I still had a second tower shield on me. Oh, I have Adept III tower of stone too. /shrugs And both of my Tower Shields are Fabled. Not sure what axor is saying about the 45% thing. Maybe that is on normal mobs. Message Edited by Shakir1065 on 11-17-2005 05:02 AM __________________

11-17-2005, 07:58 PM	#6
Shakir10 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 175	ok, maybe it has something to do with the difference then between heroic encounters and Epic encounters. For the dammage done to a shield __________________

11-17-2005, 09:43 PM	#7
germanicus2112 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	I carry around 3 ironwoods, plus a cedar and zalaks. Ironwood are very cheap on my server so I will probably have a few more made for kicks. Im finding at adept3 the shield usually takes 13% damage per absorption. So each shield can take around 7 hits before becoming useless. The hit messages give you the unmitigated damage numbers (which makes sense, your shield isnt beneath your armor). __________________ Romonius Guild Leader of Iconoclast www.Iconoclastguild.com

11-17-2005, 03:54 PM	#3
Axor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 134	i like that skill, but isnt viable. I have 5 shields, 1 fabled kite, is the one i use usually, 1 rare t6, the first one i use with ToS, and 3 comon t6 ones. I cast ToS on first secs of the pull once it absorved the 3 hits i switch to fabled kite. If the fight is going hard i use it every time i can burning out shields ( legendary last 2 use ( 45% each time ), commons last 1 ( 75%-90% )). Its inviable because i should carry 200 shields with me to be able to use it every time I would. it should be 1% dmg or none at all.. other way is almost stupid. The spell works pretty well

11-17-2005, 06:38 PM	#5
Axor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 134	mine is adept 1, as far as i know the dmg diference is not enough to give shield another use on adept 3, so im waiting for master 1. on legendary shield : 15% per hit ( 3 hit = 45% ) on common shield 25%-30% per hit ( 3 hit 75% -90% ) seems variable Dont have a fabled tower shield to try it out.

11-18-2005, 01:15 AM	#8
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	6 t5 fabled, 2 iron wood, 2 t6 fabled.. but still not enough. I falt our refuses to pay an extra 50gp a day in repairs due to a bugged spell. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

11-18-2005, 01:22 AM	#9
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	Yes I to refuse to use it.. And whats worse it the 'OTHER' tank gets the exact same skill but it does not dmg there eqpt. There is no draw back to it what so ever. __________________

11-18-2005, 01:36 AM	#10
germanicus2112 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	TunaBoo wrote: 6 t5 fabled, 2 iron wood, 2 t6 fabled.. but still not enough. I falt our refuses to pay an extra 50gp a day in repairs due to a bugged spell. How is it bugged? It does what it says it does. __________________ Romonius Guild Leader of Iconoclast www.Iconoclastguild.com

11-18-2005, 02:55 AM	#11
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	Any spell that uses up5 shields per hour of tanking, when other classess get a better version of it with no equipment loss, is clearly defective. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

11-18-2005, 09:51 AM	#12
Finedo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 57	i say tower of stone should damage your sheild but menders shouldnt charge too repair them __________________

11-18-2005, 11:47 AM	#13
blueduckie Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 259	It is mostly onyl worth using if you hit orange or red. It only takes around 1100 dmg hit max to go off. Reactives basically absorb everything else. So it gives your healers that extra time to fill you up. Isnt worth using unless in a emergency unless as people said. You wanna pay alot on repair bills.

11-18-2005, 07:32 PM	#14
Urglu Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 129	TunaBoo wrote: Any spell that uses up5 shields per hour of tanking, when other classess get a better version of it with no equipment loss, is clearly defective. Couldn't agree more. If the damage was minimal I could live with it, but as it is, the spell is nearly useless. I'd rather they increase the recast and take out the damage to the shield or pretty much any other tradeoff.

11-19-2005, 12:32 AM	#15
Wli Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 66	Guards should have a abilitie to mend the shield, out of combat ...