Raid Tank Help Please

Damagema · 06-24-2005, 09:22 PM

I am presently a level 50 Guardian with full set of ebon armour, etc. See char stats here:

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm;jsessionid=AD618B0E46DC07853E9796CB665E C45A.sdt-foyert22-27109?characterId=104901101

We are presently part of a coalition with several other guilds to allow the upper level peeps to xp the upper level 4x raid zones until our other members catch up to us.

Being the designated MT/MA I am having problems with aggro management, my main job in this role. I have setup a single hotbar for all my taunts and taunting abilities as well as group buffs to be used to keep aggro. All my abilities are at least App4 with most Adp1 and a couple of Adt3 and 1 Master.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

I know one problem I'm having is the DD casters are letting go their big time nukes way too soon. We will fix this by limiting them to casting these to when the mob is down to 50%.

Second area of help.

I am considering the following Incoming msg:

/r Incoming << %t >>, wait for *** ATTACK *** call before engaging!

I want to put into this msg a 10-15 second pause, then have it say /r *** ALL ATTACK NOW *** Except DD Casters - wait til mob is at 50%

The time in seconds will depend on the time it takes me to cast my taunts/group buffs.

Any help with this?

Thxs in advance,

Dmg

Vukota · 06-24-2005, 09:34 PM

I think making those hot keys are a necessity. Too many times have I pulled a raid mob to me and before I get my first taunt off some Rangers arrow comes flying by or some Wizzie want to toss out his uber nuke. As in EQ 1 the same rule applies here...establish aggro then call for the assist.

~~Vuk

http://antonicasnameless.eq2guilds.org

Krisp · 06-24-2005, 09:48 PM

You might want to look into getting Blood Fire. It will give you more HP as a side benefit and the DoT may give you a small boost in your agro. Its the quest reward for completing Heart of Fear in CT.You mentioned a few adept 3s. Make sure that Shouting Cry is one of those. Its a teir 3 group agro spell and the highest one we can currently use on epic encounters.If a wizzy is letting a bomb loose at the beginning of the encounter then he deserves his armor repair bill.Starke

Soapfiend · 06-24-2005, 10:03 PM

basically... just have your raid not go all out....use your taunts kno which mobs are ressistant to crushing/slashing/piercing choose a weapon that would suffice. If you lose agro with full taunting, its not your fault =P BLAME THE RAID!

Damagema · 06-24-2005, 10:24 PM

My Shouting Cry is Adept 3, but on epic mobs I get the msg "Won't effect this mob" or something to that affect.

And I purposely got the Apedt 3 version for Shouting Cry for this reason, to use against epic mobs. But now the description at the bottom of the ability says "Does not work on epic mobs".

Dmg

Krisp · 06-24-2005, 10:41 PM

Yikes I am going to have to check that when I get home.

Gilgal · 06-24-2005, 11:15 PM

Another good raid rule is that no one's power level goes below the mobs current hp total excluding mts, mas, and healers from this rule. If you can get your mages and rogues ( to a lesser extent ) to follow this rule, you will have less trouble holding agro once you establish initial agro.

stelle · 06-26-2005, 12:26 PM

your non damage aoe taunts will not go off if you are targeting a ^^^ you need to switch to a ^^ add for a split second and do your aoe taunt, then switch back to main raid mob and use the single taunts/taunting assault/taunting challenge

TunaBoo · 06-26-2005, 02:13 PM

LOL don't make anyone wait till 50%... call an incoming message, get it, establish aggro, then call in ALL dps. Should take no more then 10-15 seconds to position mob and establish full aggro.

AdiX__Styxx__ · 06-26-2005, 02:57 PM

agreed with tuna (hmm seems to be all the time!) but you really gotta get a better weapon!

another thing that might help a lil is IF you have a power feeder like a coercer / illusionist might wanna use desperate rush uhm is this right i am referring to the ability that speeds ya up for 42% at adept 1 the t5 version! this will give ya some extra damage output....

this might not be nesecary tho if ya get like bloodfire which is stated b4 or even a fabled weapon from vox like the scourge that stifles mobs (AND YES EVEN EPICS).

oh the screaming mace is what i use during raids and yes it does hvae a detaunt on it but this is only a problem when we got a zerker in the raid he will pull agroe of me if i use the mace! otherwise it will give ya more power to keep spamming buffs / tautns / and some attacks like blast and ferocious charge (my personal favorite).

good luck wiht yer raids i hope ya have a great time and get some ubah phat loot to upgrade yer toon!

Shades 50 Kerran Guardian Lucandlere

Cloaked 35 gnome Defiler Lucandlere

Breezy 35 Dark Elf Coercer Lucandlere

yzyh · 06-26-2005, 05:52 PM

You MUST HAVE a key that let poeple know when they can attak your target. Especialy when your doing an open raid. Poeple are usualy not that experienced with raiding in that kind of raid. So you must bu more cautionous with them.

But well in all raid I made the tank let us know when we can atack his target.

I am pretty sure the problem is not the taunt your using. But thats your teamate that attack target too early after you pulled.

Damagema · 06-27-2005, 05:24 PM

I am fortunate to have the EBBC, but don't know if I should try welding this weapon in a raid situation.

Don't know how long I will last if I lose the stats from my shield.

Comments pls?

Dmg

Mig · 06-27-2005, 09:23 PM

I've come to the conclusion that for me at least, the EBBC is pretty much pointless. I think after the combat revamp and once you start to raid you'll be always using your shield. Either you'll be the main tank, or your'll be helping to off tank something, or you'll be guarding a healer DPS group. In this case you still want your shield because you have a very good stun/stifle that you can land even on darathar. And when the expansion comes out, we'll be fighting yellow-orange mobs agan and will be using a shield. So, if your a guardian and have some exping to do, go ahead and get the EBBC, or another two hander. I'd get it as soon as you can swing it. But once you hit 50, you'll want some type of fabled shield, your one handed prismatic, the screaming mace, and probably an ebon/fabled spear.

06-24-2005, 09:22 PM	#1
Damagema Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	I am presently a level 50 Guardian with full set of ebon armour, etc. See char stats here: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm;jsessionid=AD618B0E46DC07853E9796CB665E C45A.sdt-foyert22-27109?characterId=104901101 We are presently part of a coalition with several other guilds to allow the upper level peeps to xp the upper level 4x raid zones until our other members catch up to us. Being the designated MT/MA I am having problems with aggro management, my main job in this role. I have setup a single hotbar for all my taunts and taunting abilities as well as group buffs to be used to keep aggro. All my abilities are at least App4 with most Adp1 and a couple of Adt3 and 1 Master. Does anyone have any suggestions? I know one problem I'm having is the DD casters are letting go their big time nukes way too soon. We will fix this by limiting them to casting these to when the mob is down to 50%. Second area of help. I am considering the following Incoming msg: /r Incoming << %t >>, wait for * ATTACK * call before engaging! I want to put into this msg a 10-15 second pause, then have it say /r * ALL ATTACK NOW * Except DD Casters - wait til mob is at 50% The time in seconds will depend on the time it takes me to cast my taunts/group buffs. Any help with this? Thxs in advance, Dmg __________________

06-24-2005, 09:34 PM	#2
Vukota ANDF Radio FTW! Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 119	I think making those hot keys are a necessity. Too many times have I pulled a raid mob to me and before I get my first taunt off some Rangers arrow comes flying by or some Wizzie want to toss out his uber nuke. As in EQ 1 the same rule applies here...establish aggro then call for the assist. ~~Vuk http://antonicasnameless.eq2guilds.org __________________

06-24-2005, 10:03 PM	#4
Soapfiend Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	basically... just have your raid not go all out....use your taunts kno which mobs are ressistant to crushing/slashing/piercing choose a weapon that would suffice. If you lose agro with full taunting, its not your fault =P BLAME THE RAID! __________________ When in Doubt! Knockem Out!!

06-24-2005, 10:24 PM	#5
Damagema Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	My Shouting Cry is Adept 3, but on epic mobs I get the msg "Won't effect this mob" or something to that affect. And I purposely got the Apedt 3 version for Shouting Cry for this reason, to use against epic mobs. But now the description at the bottom of the ability says "Does not work on epic mobs". Dmg __________________

06-24-2005, 11:15 PM	#7
Gilgal Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	Another good raid rule is that no one's power level goes below the mobs current hp total excluding mts, mas, and healers from this rule. If you can get your mages and rogues ( to a lesser extent ) to follow this rule, you will have less trouble holding agro once you establish initial agro. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Gilgalon Vrathis 50th level Iksar Guardian Black Talons Najena Server

06-24-2005, 09:48 PM	#3
Krisp Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	You might want to look into getting Blood Fire. It will give you more HP as a side benefit and the DoT may give you a small boost in your agro. Its the quest reward for completing Heart of Fear in CT.You mentioned a few adept 3s. Make sure that Shouting Cry is one of those. Its a teir 3 group agro spell and the highest one we can currently use on epic encounters.If a wizzy is letting a bomb loose at the beginning of the encounter then he deserves his armor repair bill.Starke

06-24-2005, 10:41 PM	#6
Krisp Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Yikes I am going to have to check that when I get home.

06-26-2005, 12:26 PM	#8
stelle Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 77	your non damage aoe taunts will not go off if you are targeting a ^^^ you need to switch to a ^^ add for a split second and do your aoe taunt, then switch back to main raid mob and use the single taunts/taunting assault/taunting challenge

06-26-2005, 02:13 PM	#9
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	LOL don't make anyone wait till 50%... call an incoming message, get it, establish aggro, then call in ALL dps. Should take no more then 10-15 seconds to position mob and establish full aggro. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

06-26-2005, 02:57 PM	#10
AdiX__Styxx__ Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 396	agreed with tuna (hmm seems to be all the time!) but you really gotta get a better weapon! another thing that might help a lil is IF you have a power feeder like a coercer / illusionist might wanna use desperate rush uhm is this right i am referring to the ability that speeds ya up for 42% at adept 1 the t5 version! this will give ya some extra damage output.... this might not be nesecary tho if ya get like bloodfire which is stated b4 or even a fabled weapon from vox like the scourge that stifles mobs (AND YES EVEN EPICS). oh the screaming mace is what i use during raids and yes it does hvae a detaunt on it but this is only a problem when we got a zerker in the raid he will pull agroe of me if i use the mace! otherwise it will give ya more power to keep spamming buffs / tautns / and some attacks like blast and ferocious charge (my personal favorite). good luck wiht yer raids i hope ya have a great time and get some ubah phat loot to upgrade yer toon! Shades 50 Kerran Guardian Lucandlere Cloaked 35 gnome Defiler Lucandlere Breezy 35 Dark Elf Coercer Lucandlere

06-26-2005, 05:52 PM	#11
yzyh Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 489	You MUST HAVE a key that let poeple know when they can attak your target. Especialy when your doing an open raid. Poeple are usualy not that experienced with raiding in that kind of raid. So you must bu more cautionous with them. But well in all raid I made the tank let us know when we can atack his target. I am pretty sure the problem is not the taunt your using. But thats your teamate that attack target too early after you pulled.

06-27-2005, 05:24 PM	#12
Damagema Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	I am fortunate to have the EBBC, but don't know if I should try welding this weapon in a raid situation. Don't know how long I will last if I lose the stats from my shield. Comments pls? Dmg __________________

06-27-2005, 09:23 PM	#13
Mig General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 286	I've come to the conclusion that for me at least, the EBBC is pretty much pointless. I think after the combat revamp and once you start to raid you'll be always using your shield. Either you'll be the main tank, or your'll be helping to off tank something, or you'll be guarding a healer DPS group. In this case you still want your shield because you have a very good stun/stifle that you can land even on darathar. And when the expansion comes out, we'll be fighting yellow-orange mobs agan and will be using a shield. So, if your a guardian and have some exping to do, go ahead and get the EBBC, or another two hander. I'd get it as soon as you can swing it. But once you hit 50, you'll want some type of fabled shield, your one handed prismatic, the screaming mace, and probably an ebon/fabled spear.