4 USELESS SPELLS, DUMBFIRE PETS, NOT EVEN ON MY HOTBARS

Skubysnax · 08-05-2011, 11:29 AM

Not even on my hotbars

88 Undead Horde III, 85 Awaken Grave V, 87 Blighted Horde VI, 82 Servile Soul (temp pet from spell Siphoning of souls)

If I were to actually use these spells, I would hurt my dps. FOUR SPELLS that I wouldnt use for any reason.

Can you fix these spells like you did with Animated Dagger , maybe make them lifetap pets or nukes or dots or make them

viable swarm pets that dont fall over with 1st AOE and do some damage that is in line with DoV expansion dps.

drakkenshie · 08-05-2011, 12:26 PM

I use my dumfire pets all the time so I hope they don't get removed. They are part of what makes a summoner a summoner.

That said I agree they need to be upgraded so they make sense with regard to newer content so we can use them everywhere.

Geothe · 08-05-2011, 12:32 PM

dumbfires have needed fixing for YEARS now.

SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems.

Zominus · 08-05-2011, 12:34 PM

How about no, Animated Dagger is our AA pet and got put to a spell used for a caster cause it didnt really to much as a pet and Conjuror's still have Aqaes Swarms and Roaring Fire and Communion and it would wrong for the Necromancer's to have lifetaps and dots (on extra spells) for that and are's would stay the same whats the point in that and Conjurors need the Lifetaps because I play a Conjuror and its really hard to stay alive Animist Transfer is pretty usless heal. How ever if they make a change they need to fix the Conjuror class. (Mainley there spells)

feldon30 · 08-05-2011, 04:40 PM

Zominus wrote:

Conjuror's still have Aqaes Swarms and Roaring Fire

I asked a few conjurors and they don't have these on their hotbars at level 90.

Yimway · 08-05-2011, 04:47 PM

Geothe wrote:

SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems.

Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that.

Tigress · 08-05-2011, 05:32 PM

Zominus wrote:

How about no, Animated Dagger is our AA pet and got put to a spell used for a caster cause it didnt really to much as a pet and Conjuror's still have Aqaes Swarms and Roaring Fire and Communion and it would wrong for the Necromancer's to have lifetaps and dots (on extra spells) for that and are's would stay the same whats the point in that and Conjurors need the Lifetaps because I play a Conjuror and its really hard to stay alive Animist Transfer is pretty usless heal. How ever if they make a change they need to fix the Conjuror class. (Mainley there spells)

although my conjurer is only level 39 & my necro is 59, i dont think you can make a blanket comparision like yours. conjurers are not known for their healing, they are known for their awesome AOEs. necros are expected to have heals (and use them); conjurers are not. conjurers are expected to wipe out a bunch of enemies bc of their AOES; necros are not.

isn't that correct?

had someone said, "make the necros' dumbfire pets do lots of AOE damage", then i believe your complaint would be very valid bc the necro would be infringing on the conjurer. as it is now, it seems as if you are comparing "apples & oranges" (parden the pun, i hate it too).

urgthock · 08-05-2011, 06:18 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Geothe wrote:
SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems.
Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that.

Well they need to revisit that because that is what needs to happen.

The_Cheeseman · 08-06-2011, 09:06 AM

The only use dumbfires have is to abuse Bewilderment to drop all your hate when soloing with the tank pet. Other than that, they are simply a way to figure out whether or not the summoner in your group knows how to play his class (Hint: if you see him casting these spells, the answer is no).

MrWolfie · 08-07-2011, 07:28 AM

I don't bother with dumbfire pets anymore, even on solo mobs. NPCs seem to always have an AOE ready for them, making them a waste of time.

shadowscale · 08-07-2011, 03:00 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Geothe wrote:
SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems.
Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that.

whos outrage? the summoners or other classes not wanting summoners to do more dps?

Odys · 08-07-2011, 09:18 PM

Warden do get three of those spells : wolf pack, faerie ally, healing grove.

Mystic get the lunar attendant.

Paladins get their mythical buff.

At least healing grove, faerie ally, lunar attendant can be casted out of combat for fun.

Amanathia · 08-07-2011, 10:07 PM

Yeah sadly they aren't useful, but oh well--it's not a bug, and I doubt it'll get changed.

I do like the idea of temp pets, honestly the cool thing to do would be:

1. Make them explode when they die for the swarm one.

2. And give the AOE one AOE immunity.

Bekkr · 08-08-2011, 05:16 AM

+1 to the OP. These spells are beyond useless. Please fix. Thanks.

Tigress wrote:

"apples & oranges" (parden the pun, i hate it too).

That is not a pun. FYI.

Griffildur · 08-08-2011, 05:21 AM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Geothe wrote:
SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems.
Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that.

Like they care about community outrage. Wake up ...

retro_guy · 08-08-2011, 06:16 AM

I must be a really s#it conj as I have them all on my bars and use nearly every spell during a long fight.

I even have that little bug zapper on a hotkey LOL it adds a bit more damage, and insta cast.

Banditman · 08-09-2011, 11:39 AM

Damage per cast time on dumbfire pets is far less than ANY spell in your book.

You may cast them because you like to see them, but casting them for damage reasons is not reaching the higher levels of Summoner ability.

Lantis · 08-09-2011, 02:50 PM

retro_guy wrote:

I must be a really s#it conj as I have them all on my bars and use nearly every spell during a long fight.
I even have that little bug zapper on a hotkey LOL it adds a bit more damage, and insta cast.

Do you ever reach a point where all your other DPS spells are down when you cast these, or do you cast these instead of other spells that are also ready to be cast?

If so, which spells are you delaying by 2 secs so you can cast dumbfires instead?

Just curious.

Personally, I took out Roaring FLames from my hotbar one or two expansions ago. I took out Aqueous this expansion because I needed the hotbar space. I still keep Communion because on some situations it has its uses. The rest is unused because of low DPS, as I always have a better spell ready to be cast instead.

Davngr1 · 08-09-2011, 02:56 PM

all they have to do is make the aoe immune again but that's some how a huge deal. if they were made dot's i would like that more but aoe immune is enough.

Nevao · 08-09-2011, 03:04 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Geothe wrote:
SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems.
Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that.

I don't remember this at all (though that doesn't really mean anything). When did this happen?

08-05-2011, 12:26 PM	#2
drakkenshie General Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 243	I use my dumfire pets all the time so I hope they don't get removed. They are part of what makes a summoner a summoner. That said I agree they need to be upgraded so they make sense with regard to newer content so we can use them everywhere. __________________

08-05-2011, 12:32 PM	#3
Geothe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,098	dumbfires have needed fixing for YEARS now. SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems. __________________ Smed: We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. Smed: 5) This [LoN] is not some slippery slope towards selling items directly in EQ & EQ II. Lie #3: Station Cash. Enough Said.

08-05-2011, 04:40 PM	#5
feldon30 Fansite Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,424	Zominus wrote: Conjuror's still have Aqaes Swarms and Roaring Fire I asked a few conjurors and they don't have these on their hotbars at level 90. __________________ .. EQ2Wire.com \| EQ2U - Character, Item, Spell, and Guild Data

08-05-2011, 04:47 PM	#6
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Geothe wrote: SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems. Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that. __________________

08-05-2011, 05:32 PM	#7
Tigress Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,739	Zominus wrote: How about no, Animated Dagger is our AA pet and got put to a spell used for a caster cause it didnt really to much as a pet and Conjuror's still have Aqaes Swarms and Roaring Fire and Communion and it would wrong for the Necromancer's to have lifetaps and dots (on extra spells) for that and are's would stay the same whats the point in that and Conjurors need the Lifetaps because I play a Conjuror and its really hard to stay alive Animist Transfer is pretty usless heal. How ever if they make a change they need to fix the Conjuror class. (Mainley there spells) although my conjurer is only level 39 & my necro is 59, i dont think you can make a blanket comparision like yours. conjurers are not known for their healing, they are known for their awesome AOEs. necros are expected to have heals (and use them); conjurers are not. conjurers are expected to wipe out a bunch of enemies bc of their AOES; necros are not. isn't that correct? had someone said, "make the necros' dumbfire pets do lots of AOE damage", then i believe your complaint would be very valid bc the necro would be infringing on the conjurer. as it is now, it seems as if you are comparing "apples & oranges" (parden the pun, i hate it too).

08-05-2011, 11:29 AM	#1
Skubysnax Server: Nagafen Guild: Onyx Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8	Not even on my hotbars 88 Undead Horde III, 85 Awaken Grave V, 87 Blighted Horde VI, 82 Servile Soul (temp pet from spell Siphoning of souls) If I were to actually use these spells, I would hurt my dps. FOUR SPELLS that I wouldnt use for any reason. Can you fix these spells like you did with Animated Dagger , maybe make them lifetap pets or nukes or dots or make them viable swarm pets that dont fall over with 1st AOE and do some damage that is in line with DoV expansion dps.

08-05-2011, 12:34 PM	#4
Zominus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11	How about no, Animated Dagger is our AA pet and got put to a spell used for a caster cause it didnt really to much as a pet and Conjuror's still have Aqaes Swarms and Roaring Fire and Communion and it would wrong for the Necromancer's to have lifetaps and dots (on extra spells) for that and are's would stay the same whats the point in that and Conjurors need the Lifetaps because I play a Conjuror and its really hard to stay alive Animist Transfer is pretty usless heal. How ever if they make a change they need to fix the Conjuror class. (Mainley there spells)

08-05-2011, 06:18 PM	#8
urgthock Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 1,308	Atan@Unrest wrote: Geothe wrote: SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems. Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that. Well they need to revisit that because that is what needs to happen.

08-06-2011, 09:06 AM	#9
The_Cheeseman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,285	The only use dumbfires have is to abuse Bewilderment to drop all your hate when soloing with the tank pet. Other than that, they are simply a way to figure out whether or not the summoner in your group knows how to play his class (Hint: if you see him casting these spells, the answer is no). __________________

08-07-2011, 07:28 AM	#10
MrWolfie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Agent of Chaos Guildhall, North Qeynos, Splitpaw. Posts: 1,239	I don't bother with dumbfire pets anymore, even on solo mobs. NPCs seem to always have an AOE ready for them, making them a waste of time. __________________

08-07-2011, 03:00 PM	#11
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	Atan@Unrest wrote: Geothe wrote: SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems. Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that. whos outrage? the summoners or other classes not wanting summoners to do more dps?

08-07-2011, 09:18 PM	#12
Odys Server: Storms Guild: Eternitalis Rank: Cavalier Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,422	Warden do get three of those spells : wolf pack, faerie ally, healing grove. Mystic get the lunar attendant. Paladins get their mythical buff. At least healing grove, faerie ally, lunar attendant can be casted out of combat for fun. __________________

08-07-2011, 10:07 PM	#13
Amanathia Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 214	Yeah sadly they aren't useful, but oh well--it's not a bug, and I doubt it'll get changed. I do like the idea of temp pets, honestly the cool thing to do would be: 1. Make them explode when they die for the swarm one. 2. And give the AOE one AOE immunity.

08-08-2011, 05:16 AM	#14
Bekkr Tester Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 208	+1 to the OP. These spells are beyond useless. Please fix. Thanks. Tigress wrote: "apples & oranges" (parden the pun, i hate it too). That is not a pun. FYI.

08-08-2011, 05:21 AM	#15
Griffildur Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: First Lords Rank: Peasant (0-100) Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,136	Atan@Unrest wrote: Geothe wrote: SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems. Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that. Like they care about community outrage. Wake up ... __________________

08-08-2011, 06:16 AM	#16
retro_guy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 935	I must be a really s#it conj as I have them all on my bars and use nearly every spell during a long fight. I even have that little bug zapper on a hotkey LOL it adds a bit more damage, and insta cast. __________________

08-09-2011, 11:39 AM	#17
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Damage per cast time on dumbfire pets is far less than ANY spell in your book. You may cast them because you like to see them, but casting them for damage reasons is not reaching the higher levels of Summoner ability. __________________

08-09-2011, 02:50 PM	#18
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	retro_guy wrote: I must be a really s#it conj as I have them all on my bars and use nearly every spell during a long fight. I even have that little bug zapper on a hotkey LOL it adds a bit more damage, and insta cast. Do you ever reach a point where all your other DPS spells are down when you cast these, or do you cast these instead of other spells that are also ready to be cast? If so, which spells are you delaying by 2 secs so you can cast dumbfires instead? Just curious. Personally, I took out Roaring FLames from my hotbar one or two expansions ago. I took out Aqueous this expansion because I needed the hotbar space. I still keep Communion because on some situations it has its uses. The rest is unused because of low DPS, as I always have a better spell ready to be cast instead. __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool

08-09-2011, 02:56 PM	#19
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	all they have to do is make the aoe immune again but that's some how a huge deal. if they were made dot's i would like that more but aoe immune is enough. __________________

08-09-2011, 03:04 PM	#20
Nevao Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 504	Atan@Unrest wrote: Geothe wrote: SoE doesn't give a darn about them, however, it seems. Actually, they wanted to change them all to dots instead a while back, but the community outrage stopped that. I don't remember this at all (though that doesn't really mean anything). When did this happen? __________________ Cibilie : 90 Brigand (Main), Dirtnap on Oasis Enaki : 90 Ranger, Dirtnap on Oasis