is the Coercer class a good solo class?

David856 · 06-14-2011, 04:35 PM

Is the Coercer class a good solo class?

Nekroghoul · 06-14-2011, 04:37 PM

Yes, very much so. And fun too. However, it's not necessarily easy mode like a necro or SK, but if you know what your doing, you can solo some pretty tough heroic encounters.

Odys · 06-14-2011, 08:40 PM

Only 1 open aoe with fast reuse, my paladin has 5-6 plus one closed. Once i was thinking that i was killing mobs fast till my wwiz friend 2 shotted a mob for which i needed my 3 reactive a stun and 2 DD.

It's true that you can solo ^^^, if you manage to keep them stunned/stiffled or rooted.But if you plan to solo a dungeon you will need some stuff. indeed People who farmed karmor in ROK days usually had lot of healing/warding/stoneskin item, simpl beacuse you always get hit from time to time.

At 44 my crusader was sooing Cazic thule temple, at 52 he was soloing rujark cleft floor2, without even sweating. A coercer may be able to do it but he would need much more care.

Note also that many named do have stun/root/stiflle immunites.

Despite all that my coercer was and is fun to play, but he shines more in group that alone.

Seiffil · 06-14-2011, 08:59 PM

Gorock@Storms wrote:

Only 1 open aoe with fast reuse, my paladin has 5-6 plus one closed. Once i was thinking that i was killing mobs fast till my wwiz friend 2 shotted a mob for which i needed my 3 reactive a stun and 2 DD.
It's true that you can solo ^^^, if you manage to keep them stunned/stiffled or rooted.But if you plan to solo a dungeon you will need some stuff. indeed People who farmed karmor in ROK days usually had lot of healing/warding/stoneskin item, simpl beacuse you always get hit from time to time.
At 44 my crusader was sooing Cazic thule temple, at 52 he was soloing rujark cleft floor2, without even sweating. A coercer may be able to do it but he would need much more care.
Note also that many named do have stun/root/stiflle immunites.
Despite all that my coercer was and is fun to play, but he shines more in group that alone.

I think you underestimate the power of their CC abilities. Sure a wizard can probably kill a mob in 2 hits, but a coercer's CC abilities have dug me out of some situations where had I been some other class without their CC abilities, I'd probably have died.

The big difference with soloing on a coercer versus another class is how you go about it. Only 1 blue AE for my coercer, that's fine, I'm not planning on running into the middle of a pack of mobs like a pally or sk and trying to burn through them before I die. Soloing on a coercer is a different skillset from grouping on a coercer, which is also true of other classes. It also requires more skill and patience then rolling a crusader and running around spamming your AEs.

Odys · 06-15-2011, 12:41 AM

Seiffil@Permafrost wrote:

Gorock@Storms wrote:
Only 1 open aoe with fast reuse, my paladin has 5-6 plus one closed. Once i was thinking that i was killing mobs fast till my wwiz friend 2 shotted a mob for which i needed my 3 reactive a stun and 2 DD.
It's true that you can solo ^^^, if you manage to keep them stunned/stiffled or rooted.But if you plan to solo a dungeon you will need some stuff. indeed People who farmed karmor in ROK days usually had lot of healing/warding/stoneskin item, simpl beacuse you always get hit from time to time.
At 44 my crusader was sooing Cazic thule temple, at 52 he was soloing rujark cleft floor2, without even sweating. A coercer may be able to do it but he would need much more care.
Note also that many named do have stun/root/stiflle immunites.
Despite all that my coercer was and is fun to play, but he shines more in group that alone.
I think you underestimate the power of their CC abilities. Sure a wizard can probably kill a mob in 2 hits, but a coercer's CC abilities have dug me out of some situations where had I been some other class without their CC abilities, I'd probably have died.
The big difference with soloing on a coercer versus another class is how you go about it. Only 1 blue AE for my coercer, that's fine, I'm not planning on running into the middle of a pack of mobs like a pally or sk and trying to burn through them before I die. Soloing on a coercer is a different skillset from grouping on a coercer, which is also true of other classes. It also requires more skill and patience then rolling a crusader and running around spamming your AEs.

I quite understand that, but

- if you look at efficiency, the one of the coercer is moderate.

- If you loot at the ability to solo dungeon the coercer is quite good as long as mob are charmable, mezzable etc ....

I stii have to find something that my coercer did that my paladin cannot, the fact that he could bypass mob by getting them killed while charmed does not count (no xp).

BTW : we only run into pack and spam when the encounter is trivial (typicall 2x 3 1^ yellow is trivial for me), against named or ^^^ we time our interupts, cures, heals, invulnerabilites and use heroic chains, master strikes, debuf and so on ...

What is true is that the coercer is lot of fun but it is slow. I also usually got a higher feeling of accomplishment when i defeated something heroic with him (i mean ^^^).

If you look for a mage archetype the coercer is probably the one i prefer, it is versatile and able to do many things another mage cannot. A necro with tainted heal is probably almost as good (and quite fun to play to). But for xp grind crusaders are better, and their ability to solo yellow heroic (mainly dungeons) is better or equal.

Last my inqui may outperform my paladin at least on heroic Stargets.

Lethe5683 · 06-15-2011, 03:09 AM

David856 wrote:

Is the Coercer class a good solo class?

Extreamly! I can solo pretty much anything that is not immune to stun, stifle and daze.

Lethe5683 · 06-15-2011, 05:52 AM

Gorock@Storms wrote:

I stii have to find something that my coercer did that my paladin cannot, the fact that he could bypass mob by getting them killed while charmed does not count (no xp).

Can your paladin solo level 94 heroic ^^^ mobs? My coercer can, usually without taking any damage.

Seiffil · 06-15-2011, 07:42 PM

Lethe5683 wrote:

Gorock@Storms wrote:
I stii have to find something that my coercer did that my paladin cannot, the fact that he could bypass mob by getting them killed while charmed does not count (no xp).
Can your paladin solo level 94 heroic ^^^ mobs? My coercer can, usually without taking any damage.

I think it's the difference between one class requiring more skill and effort to learn how to solo effectively that he can't grasp.

FlamingDuck · 07-25-2011, 10:46 AM

I don't think I had more fun soloing then with my froglok coercer. It gets mighty expensive buying those Master charms, which bugged me, but it made you a killing machine. I could tackle things most others couldn't. And I loved how people would just stop and look when they saw me and a massive charmed mob tagging along XD. It's not easy mode, if you afk with your charmed pet you'll probably find yourself dead.

06-14-2011, 04:37 PM	#2
Nekroghoul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Neriak Posts: 144	Yes, very much so. And fun too. However, it's not necessarily easy mode like a necro or SK, but if you know what your doing, you can solo some pretty tough heroic encounters. __________________ The good ones are those who are content to dream what the wicked actually practice.

06-14-2011, 08:40 PM	#3
Odys Server: Storms Guild: Eternitalis Rank: Cavalier Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,422	Only 1 open aoe with fast reuse, my paladin has 5-6 plus one closed. Once i was thinking that i was killing mobs fast till my wwiz friend 2 shotted a mob for which i needed my 3 reactive a stun and 2 DD. It's true that you can solo ^^^, if you manage to keep them stunned/stiffled or rooted.But if you plan to solo a dungeon you will need some stuff. indeed People who farmed karmor in ROK days usually had lot of healing/warding/stoneskin item, simpl beacuse you always get hit from time to time. At 44 my crusader was sooing Cazic thule temple, at 52 he was soloing rujark cleft floor2, without even sweating. A coercer may be able to do it but he would need much more care. Note also that many named do have stun/root/stiflle immunites. Despite all that my coercer was and is fun to play, but he shines more in group that alone. __________________

06-14-2011, 08:59 PM	#4
Seiffil Server: Permafrost Guild: Grievance Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 854	Gorock@Storms wrote: Only 1 open aoe with fast reuse, my paladin has 5-6 plus one closed. Once i was thinking that i was killing mobs fast till my wwiz friend 2 shotted a mob for which i needed my 3 reactive a stun and 2 DD. It's true that you can solo ^^^, if you manage to keep them stunned/stiffled or rooted.But if you plan to solo a dungeon you will need some stuff. indeed People who farmed karmor in ROK days usually had lot of healing/warding/stoneskin item, simpl beacuse you always get hit from time to time. At 44 my crusader was sooing Cazic thule temple, at 52 he was soloing rujark cleft floor2, without even sweating. A coercer may be able to do it but he would need much more care. Note also that many named do have stun/root/stiflle immunites. Despite all that my coercer was and is fun to play, but he shines more in group that alone. I think you underestimate the power of their CC abilities. Sure a wizard can probably kill a mob in 2 hits, but a coercer's CC abilities have dug me out of some situations where had I been some other class without their CC abilities, I'd probably have died. The big difference with soloing on a coercer versus another class is how you go about it. Only 1 blue AE for my coercer, that's fine, I'm not planning on running into the middle of a pack of mobs like a pally or sk and trying to burn through them before I die. Soloing on a coercer is a different skillset from grouping on a coercer, which is also true of other classes. It also requires more skill and patience then rolling a crusader and running around spamming your AEs.

06-15-2011, 12:41 AM	#5
Odys Server: Storms Guild: Eternitalis Rank: Cavalier Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,422	Seiffil@Permafrost wrote: Gorock@Storms wrote: Only 1 open aoe with fast reuse, my paladin has 5-6 plus one closed. Once i was thinking that i was killing mobs fast till my wwiz friend 2 shotted a mob for which i needed my 3 reactive a stun and 2 DD. It's true that you can solo ^^^, if you manage to keep them stunned/stiffled or rooted.But if you plan to solo a dungeon you will need some stuff. indeed People who farmed karmor in ROK days usually had lot of healing/warding/stoneskin item, simpl beacuse you always get hit from time to time. At 44 my crusader was sooing Cazic thule temple, at 52 he was soloing rujark cleft floor2, without even sweating. A coercer may be able to do it but he would need much more care. Note also that many named do have stun/root/stiflle immunites. Despite all that my coercer was and is fun to play, but he shines more in group that alone. I think you underestimate the power of their CC abilities. Sure a wizard can probably kill a mob in 2 hits, but a coercer's CC abilities have dug me out of some situations where had I been some other class without their CC abilities, I'd probably have died. The big difference with soloing on a coercer versus another class is how you go about it. Only 1 blue AE for my coercer, that's fine, I'm not planning on running into the middle of a pack of mobs like a pally or sk and trying to burn through them before I die. Soloing on a coercer is a different skillset from grouping on a coercer, which is also true of other classes. It also requires more skill and patience then rolling a crusader and running around spamming your AEs. I quite understand that, but - if you look at efficiency, the one of the coercer is moderate. - If you loot at the ability to solo dungeon the coercer is quite good as long as mob are charmable, mezzable etc .... I stii have to find something that my coercer did that my paladin cannot, the fact that he could bypass mob by getting them killed while charmed does not count (no xp). BTW : we only run into pack and spam when the encounter is trivial (typicall 2x 3 1^ yellow is trivial for me), against named or ^^^ we time our interupts, cures, heals, invulnerabilites and use heroic chains, master strikes, debuf and so on ... What is true is that the coercer is lot of fun but it is slow. I also usually got a higher feeling of accomplishment when i defeated something heroic with him (i mean ^^^). If you look for a mage archetype the coercer is probably the one i prefer, it is versatile and able to do many things another mage cannot. A necro with tainted heal is probably almost as good (and quite fun to play to). But for xp grind crusaders are better, and their ability to solo yellow heroic (mainly dungeons) is better or equal. Last my inqui may outperform my paladin at least on heroic Stargets. __________________

06-15-2011, 03:09 AM	#6
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	David856 wrote: Is the Coercer class a good solo class? Extreamly! I can solo pretty much anything that is not immune to stun, stifle and daze.

06-14-2011, 04:35 PM	#1
David856 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	Is the Coercer class a good solo class?

06-15-2011, 05:52 AM	#7
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Gorock@Storms wrote: I stii have to find something that my coercer did that my paladin cannot, the fact that he could bypass mob by getting them killed while charmed does not count (no xp). Can your paladin solo level 94 heroic ^^^ mobs? My coercer can, usually without taking any damage.

06-15-2011, 07:42 PM	#8
Seiffil Server: Permafrost Guild: Grievance Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 854	Lethe5683 wrote: Gorock@Storms wrote: I stii have to find something that my coercer did that my paladin cannot, the fact that he could bypass mob by getting them killed while charmed does not count (no xp). Can your paladin solo level 94 heroic ^^^ mobs? My coercer can, usually without taking any damage. I think it's the difference between one class requiring more skill and effort to learn how to solo effectively that he can't grasp.

07-25-2011, 10:46 AM	#9
FlamingDuck Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 111	I don't think I had more fun soloing then with my froglok coercer. It gets mighty expensive buying those Master charms, which bugged me, but it made you a killing machine. I could tackle things most others couldn't. And I loved how people would just stop and look when they saw me and a massive charmed mob tagging along XD. It's not easy mode, if you afk with your charmed pet you'll probably find yourself dead.