Manaburn / Lifeburn Immunities

Haciv · 03-21-2011, 04:50 PM

Is there any realistic reasoning for keeping the immunities on these spells?

Now that manaburn is worth casting again, it's causing frustration in groups / raids with multiple of the class trying to use the spell. I don't think I ever understood the need for the immunity on these.

Korrupt · 03-21-2011, 04:56 PM

I can see the reasoning behind the immunity for heroic content, they dont want a gang of 5 or 6 wizards running around 1 shotting their way through a zone. Raid mobs on the other hand have no realistic reason to be immune. A full raid of 24 wizards manaburning or necro's lifeburning cannot trivialize content with the amount of health they curently have. Take the immunity off epic mobs please.

Haciv · 03-21-2011, 05:25 PM

Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays.

If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic

Korrupt · 03-21-2011, 06:25 PM

Haciv wrote:

Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays.
If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic

valid point

Carthington · 03-22-2011, 11:02 PM

Necros and wizards in eq1 is what caused the immunities to happen in the first place when 72 of them killed sontalak when LB and MB first came out.

Blame them SMILEY

The_Cheeseman · 03-23-2011, 07:23 PM

Indeed, the issues stems from EQ1 in which a single group of 6 wizards could chain-manaburn a raid target like Talendor, Gorenaire, or even Trakanon to death instantly. The aforementioned "manaburn squads" would monopolize contested raid MOBs and then sell the drops for outrageous sums of money. People got understandibly upset about this, and the devs implemented manaburn immunity as a fix. I guess they figured it would still be needed in EQ2, even though raid MOBs have a metric ton more HP than they did in EQ1.

Fpr perspective, until Velious, the hard cap for MOB HP in EQ1 was 32,000. Nothing in the game had more than 32k HP until the third expansion. When a single attack can hit for 7-10k, and most raid targets only have 32k HP, you have a problem. I don't think EQ2 epic MOBs are really in the same league, but the devs were just being safe.

Urgol · 03-24-2011, 09:34 AM

I'd say overly safe by giving 300-500 million hp to raid mobs..

Fendaria · 03-24-2011, 02:29 PM

Korrupt@Najena wrote:

Haciv wrote:
Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays.
If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic
valid point

Sorta puts the whole argument in perspective.

Fendaria

SacDaddy420 · 03-24-2011, 03:39 PM

please remove these pointless immunities on raid mobs

biig · 03-28-2011, 04:57 PM

Yes no point in immunities for these spells..... needs fix

oh and while ur at it make mb crit !

docpaulpur2 · 03-31-2011, 08:49 AM

please remove the useless and annoying immunity.

Griffildur · 03-31-2011, 09:01 AM

I'll add my vote for removing these immunities.

daray · 04-01-2011, 05:27 PM

Korrupt@Unrest_old wrote:

Raid mobs on the other hand have no realistic reason to be immune. A full raid of 24 wizards manaburning or necro's lifeburning cannot trivialize content with the amount of health they curently have. Take the immunity off epic mobs please.

This. Manaburn / Lifeburn immunities on epic mobs serve absolutely no purpose (other than to frustrate). If you must keep an immunity on heroic mobs, then do so, but hp pools on epics render this precaution completely obsolete.

Haciv wrote:

Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays.
If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic

This is a valid comparison, and yet there didn't seem to be a need for "EB immunity".

SgtPmpkn · 04-01-2011, 05:31 PM

/agree with this. Please consider removing the immunities as some raid forces run with 2-3 of the classes effected by this. Keep it on heroic encounters if you must. Anything in an x2 or x4 zone should have no immunities.

Haciv · 04-13-2011, 02:52 PM

Bump

Rhadamanth · 04-14-2011, 02:02 AM

Haciv wrote:

Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays.
If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic

That would be stupid if they are concerned about people killing heroic zones like that... With a good group you can annihilate most zones anyway. People can even solo some. And besides, you need to be hated by the mob to even cast LB and MB, so it's not like you could all just kill the mob before it even gets to someone because you have to hit it first. And yeah, EB is a lot faster (casting and recast) and would hit just as hard anyway. The immunities should be removed.

Xelgad · 04-14-2011, 03:29 PM

These have been removed for GU60.

TumpieBrell · 04-14-2011, 03:53 PM

Awesome!

SacDaddy420 · 04-14-2011, 05:28 PM

thank you

SgtPmpkn · 04-14-2011, 05:45 PM

One of the best things I've seen posted in a while. Thank you.

03-21-2011, 04:50 PM	#1
Haciv Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 278	Is there any realistic reasoning for keeping the immunities on these spells? Now that manaburn is worth casting again, it's causing frustration in groups / raids with multiple of the class trying to use the spell. I don't think I ever understood the need for the immunity on these. __________________

03-21-2011, 05:25 PM	#3
Haciv Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 278	Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays. If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic __________________

03-21-2011, 06:25 PM	#4
Korrupt Server: Najena Guild: Shoukin Rank: Buzai Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 519	Haciv wrote: Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays. If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic valid point

03-22-2011, 11:02 PM	#5
Carthington Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	Necros and wizards in eq1 is what caused the immunities to happen in the first place when 72 of them killed sontalak when LB and MB first came out. Blame them __________________ Carthington Severing

03-23-2011, 07:23 PM	#6
The_Cheeseman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,285	Indeed, the issues stems from EQ1 in which a single group of 6 wizards could chain-manaburn a raid target like Talendor, Gorenaire, or even Trakanon to death instantly. The aforementioned "manaburn squads" would monopolize contested raid MOBs and then sell the drops for outrageous sums of money. People got understandibly upset about this, and the devs implemented manaburn immunity as a fix. I guess they figured it would still be needed in EQ2, even though raid MOBs have a metric ton more HP than they did in EQ1. Fpr perspective, until Velious, the hard cap for MOB HP in EQ1 was 32,000. Nothing in the game had more than 32k HP until the third expansion. When a single attack can hit for 7-10k, and most raid targets only have 32k HP, you have a problem. I don't think EQ2 epic MOBs are really in the same league, but the devs were just being safe. __________________

03-21-2011, 04:56 PM	#2
Korrupt Server: Najena Guild: Shoukin Rank: Buzai Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 519	I can see the reasoning behind the immunity for heroic content, they dont want a gang of 5 or 6 wizards running around 1 shotting their way through a zone. Raid mobs on the other hand have no realistic reason to be immune. A full raid of 24 wizards manaburning or necro's lifeburning cannot trivialize content with the amount of health they curently have. Take the immunity off epic mobs please.

03-24-2011, 09:34 AM	#7
Urgol Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 170	I'd say overly safe by giving 300-500 million hp to raid mobs.. __________________ Wizard and coercer of Efora, Harla Dar (pvp) server.

03-24-2011, 02:29 PM	#8
Fendaria Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 296	Korrupt@Najena wrote: Haciv wrote: Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays. If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic valid point Sorta puts the whole argument in perspective. Fendaria

03-24-2011, 03:39 PM	#9
SacDaddy420 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 472	please remove these pointless immunities on raid mobs __________________

03-28-2011, 04:57 PM	#10
biig Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 33	Yes no point in immunities for these spells..... needs fix oh and while ur at it make mb crit !

03-31-2011, 08:49 AM	#11
docpaulpur2 Lord Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 47	please remove the useless and annoying immunity.

03-31-2011, 09:01 AM	#12
Griffildur Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: First Lords Rank: Peasant (0-100) Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,136	I'll add my vote for removing these immunities. __________________

04-01-2011, 05:27 PM	#13
daray Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 371	Korrupt@Unrest_old wrote: Raid mobs on the other hand have no realistic reason to be immune. A full raid of 24 wizards manaburning or necro's lifeburning cannot trivialize content with the amount of health they curently have. Take the immunity off epic mobs please. This. Manaburn / Lifeburn immunities on epic mobs serve absolutely no purpose (other than to frustrate). If you must keep an immunity on heroic mobs, then do so, but hp pools on epics render this precaution completely obsolete. Haciv wrote: Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays. If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic This is a valid comparison, and yet there didn't seem to be a need for "EB immunity".

04-01-2011, 05:31 PM	#14
SgtPmpkn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 359	/agree with this. Please consider removing the immunities as some raid forces run with 2-3 of the classes effected by this. Keep it on heroic encounters if you must. Anything in an x2 or x4 zone should have no immunities.

04-13-2011, 02:52 PM	#15
Haciv Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 278	Bump __________________

04-14-2011, 02:02 AM	#16
Rhadamanth General Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 107	Haciv wrote: Even in heroic content, I don't think it can be justified to have an immunity nowadays. If someone wanted to get some mages to 1 shot a zone, just do it with 6 Conj's. EB hits harder, quicker reuse, and no immunity... but that's a whole different topic That would be stupid if they are concerned about people killing heroic zones like that... With a good group you can annihilate most zones anyway. People can even solo some. And besides, you need to be hated by the mob to even cast LB and MB, so it's not like you could all just kill the mob before it even gets to someone because you have to hit it first. And yeah, EB is a lot faster (casting and recast) and would hit just as hard anyway. The immunities should be removed.

04-14-2011, 03:29 PM	#17
Xelgad Game Designer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 199	These have been removed for GU60. __________________ <img src="http://signavatar.com/files/sigs/3355_3.jpg">

04-14-2011, 03:53 PM	#18
TumpieBrell Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 52	Awesome!

04-14-2011, 05:28 PM	#19
SacDaddy420 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 472	thank you __________________

04-14-2011, 05:45 PM	#20
SgtPmpkn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 359	One of the best things I've seen posted in a while. Thank you.