How are people already flying?

Brigh · 02-23-2011, 08:44 PM

I saw chat earlier talking about this then I personally witnessed it myself.

zimmer · 02-23-2011, 08:52 PM

Tradeskill quest for mount?

Stubbswick · 02-23-2011, 08:59 PM

Tradeskill one takes a day longer than the adventure one.

Brigh · 02-23-2011, 09:06 PM

I am thinking an exploit/bug. My young one doesn't allow me to get another training quest.

Glenolas · 02-23-2011, 09:07 PM

Brigh wrote:

I am thinking an exploit/bug. My young one doesn't allow me to get another training quest.

I've thinking a Dev account.

Brigh · 02-23-2011, 09:50 PM

Well I know the name of the one person I have seen so if a mod/dev wants to pm me I will give it to them.

Keianna · 02-23-2011, 09:56 PM

I saw in chat someone saying that his griffawn wasnt allowing him to exploit the quests anymore.

He was able to finish the first 3 before he wasnt able to continue.

Lempo · 02-23-2011, 10:06 PM

yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair.

Zephanor · 02-23-2011, 10:23 PM

How did they do that when the CDN didn't have the necessary assests until yesterday?

CoLD MeTaL · 02-23-2011, 10:50 PM

You sure you aren't just seeing people on the regular griffon that takes u around the zone same as Antonica or Thundering Steppes?

Brigh · 02-23-2011, 11:10 PM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

You sure you aren't just seeing people on the regular griffon that takes u around the zone same as Antonica or Thundering Steppes?

You don't think I would know the difference?

A certain player hovering above, moving around, and diving down to attack...

Barx · 02-23-2011, 11:18 PM

I heard talk of a few exploits that let people do multiple quests and advance the flying mount more quickly in Beta, I'm guessing one or more slipped through and that's probably what is happening.

Waters · 02-23-2011, 11:42 PM

Jeff3558 wrote:

yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair.

Not sure what you mean here. No one gets a head start on live servers, or gets to play the expansion early.

There was an exploit with the flying mount quest that made it possible to do the quest much faster than intended. If you see someone flying already, this is the most likely reason for it.

- Waters

screenid · 02-23-2011, 11:49 PM

Waters wrote:

Jeff3558 wrote:
yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair.
Not sure what you mean here. No one gets a head start on live servers, or gets to play the expansion early.
There was an exploit with the flying mount quest that made it possible to do the quest much faster than intended. If you see someone flying already, this is the most likely reason for it.
- Waters

=-( Well then you need to remove the 18 hr wait between quest for the rest of us. =-)

Gungo · 02-23-2011, 11:51 PM

I think he should permantly disable flight for the exploiters cause it would be funny.

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 12:05 AM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

I think he should permantly disable flight for the exploiters cause it would be funny.

All the bugs were reported in beta and nothing were done about them, as usual.

Brigh · 02-24-2011, 12:11 AM

Waters wrote:

Jeff3558 wrote:
yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair.
Not sure what you mean here. No one gets a head start on live servers, or gets to play the expansion early.
There was an exploit with the flying mount quest that made it possible to do the quest much faster than intended. If you see someone flying already, this is the most likely reason for it.
- Waters

Shouldn't these people have their flight status grounded then? Should I send petition notifiying a GM of the person I saw?

Gungo · 02-24-2011, 12:25 AM

Gaige wrote:

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:
I think he should permantly disable flight for the exploiters cause it would be funny.
All the bugs were reported in beta and nothing were done about them, as usual.

SO an exploit goes through and people knew about it and then exploited it. Seems to me that warrants a nice 30-60day removal of flight. Its not permanant and should help encourage people not to exploit.

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 12:32 AM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

SO an exploit goes through and people knew about it and then exploited it. Seems to me that warrants a nice 30-60day removal of flight. Its not permanant and should help encourage people not to exploit.

They can do what they want but if they ever punish me for doing something that was reported in beta by numerous people I know I won't be playing this game anymore.

IMO it isn't even an exploit. Duping coin? Sure. Leveling exploits? Okay. Doing quests as intended for a reward? Not an exploit. If it wasn't intended why didn't they fix it since I know for a fact this bug and numerous others were sent along during beta. Bugged/reported and not fixed = working as intended in my book. I donated tons of hours testing DoV, to be punished for SOE's lack of action would be an insult.

Gungo · 02-24-2011, 12:42 AM

Gaige wrote:

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:
SO an exploit goes through and people knew about it and then exploited it. Seems to me that warrants a nice 30-60day removal of flight. Its not permanant and should help encourage people not to exploit.
They can do what they want but if they ever punish me for doing something that was reported in beta by numerous people I know I won't be playing this game anymore.
IMO it isn't even an exploit. Duping coin? Sure. Leveling exploits? Okay. Doing quests as intended for a reward? Not an exploit. If it wasn't intended why didn't they fix it since I know for a fact this bug and numerous others were sent along during beta. Bugged/reported and not fixed = working as intended in my book. I donated tons of hours testing DoV, to be punished for SOE's lack of action would be an insult.

You donoted tons of hours to find an exploit and then use it. The problem is you should of never used the exploit. since you did NOT do the quest as intended.

Duping results in account banning. Using an exploit you found in beta should warrant some form of action of course not as sever as banning. Since it only encourages people such as yourself from exploiting again. And then using the excuse of well I reported it in beta. (You are a great example since this wouldnt be the first time for you using preexsisting exploits)

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 12:47 AM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

You donoted tons of hours to find an exploit and then use it.

Can you read? We found exploits AND THEN I PERSONALLY EMAILED DEVS AND REPORTED THEM. Some devs fixed things quickly some fixed things slowly and some didn't fix anything at all, which means to me it didn't need to be fixed because it was working as intended. Anyone who is flying right now had to do all the quests, you couldn't exploit from the pet to the mount without doing anything.

/shrug

They're already messing up by limiting the amount of repeatables you can do for faction each day and other stupid decisions making this game even worse because I hate being locked out of progression by artificial means.

So again, let them "punish" people for this with your amazing recommendations, probably doing anything who is flying today a favor in the long run anyway.

Also: I never said I have my mount yet, you're assuming. I'm just saying I know for a fact that all the flying mount bugs were reported during the beta.

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

(You are a great example since this wouldnt be the first time for you using preexsisting exploits)

Like?

Do you mean in RoK when I got my own guildies banned for exploiting leveling? How about in SF when I got my own guildies stripped/suspended for duping in BGs? How about in SF when I got the poisoned wave respawns fixed despite some of my own guildies using them to level?

Any real examples or you just talking out of what you should be sitting on?

NViDiaFReaK · 02-24-2011, 12:55 AM

This is just outrageous. Either the quest needs to have the 18 hour restriction removed. Or the people who EXPLOITED the quest need to have their mounts removed, quest reset and banned for a at least a week. Using knowledge that was aquired during beta to do something that was not intended is an exploit. Just because it wasnt fixed does not = working as intended. It was stated MANY MANY MANY times that the griffawn quests where INTENDED to have an 18 hour timer between each one.

Beta should not be used as a method for learning how to CHEAT everyone else on the server UNFAIRLY. Its like insider training on wallstreet. Using your knowledge to get ahead of everyone else.

If I was SOE I would even make sure those beta testers who did exploit this do not get future beta invites.

I will be really suprised to see SOE actually do something about this though.

Gungo · 02-24-2011, 12:56 AM

Gaige wrote:

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:
You donoted tons of hours to find an exploit and then use it.
Can you read? We found exploits AND THEN I PERSONALLY EMAILED DEVS AND REPORTED THEM. Some devs fixed things quickly some fixed things slowly and some didn't fix anything at all, which means to me it didn't need to be fixed because it was working as intended. Anyone who is flying right now had to do all the quests, you couldn't exploit from the pet to the mount without doing anything.
/shrug
They're already messing up by limiting the amount of repeatables you can do for faction each day and other stupid decisions making this game even worse because I hate being locked out of progression by artificial means.
So again, let them "punish" people for this with your amazing recommendations, probably doing anything who is flying today a favor in the long run anyway.
Also: I never said I have my mount yet, you're assuming. I'm just saying I know for a fact that all the flying mount bugs were reported during the beta.

I love it when you get defensive over your exploits. Look I didnt need to assume anything when you specifically said "They can do what they want but if they ever punish me for doing something that was reported in beta by numerous people I know I won't be playing this game anymore."

This is you implying you exploited.

Doing all the quests had nothing to do with the fact you intenionally skipped the 18hour delay on each step. That is the exploit. The exploit you claimed you KNEW about in beta. The exploit you claimed you KNEW was a bug in beta and then sent bug reports about. The devs and senior producer stated several times was intended to be a 5 day reward. Claiming ignorance at this point doesnt do you any favors.

So yes punishing people that exploit is a deterrant from them exploiting again. Especially those who are suppose to be beta testing instead of trying to find exploits so they can use when an expansion goes live. A 30-60 day removal of flight access on a toon is a perfectly acceptable and non permanant deterence to discourage exploiters such as yourself.

Gungo · 02-24-2011, 12:58 AM

Gaige wrote:

Like?
Do you mean in RoK when I got my own guildies banned for exploiting leveling? How about in SF when I got my own guildies stripped/suspended for duping in BGs? How about in SF when I got the poisoned wave respawns fixed despite some of my own guildies using them to level?
Any real examples or you just talking out of what you should be sitting on?

tranquility loot exploit 3 princes loot exploitshard of hate loot exploitSeveral item exploits

You pick and choose what you think is an exploit and only get mad when it doesnt benefit you.

NViDiaFReaK · 02-24-2011, 01:00 AM

Gaige wrote:

Some devs fixed things quickly some fixed things slowly and some didn't fix anything at all, which means to me it didn't need to be fixed because it was working as intended.

are you really that naive that even though it was stated multiple times in many different formats that the mount was intended to take several days to complete. It was stated that there was to be 18 hours between each quest. If you or anyone else did anything to speed that process up then that was the exploit. Sure they had to do all the quests but if they bypassed the 18 hour wait between doing them they exploited.

Gungo · 02-24-2011, 01:02 AM

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

If I was SOE I would even make sure those beta testers who did exploit this do not get future beta invites.
I will be really suprised to see SOE actually do something about this though.

I agree I am completely surprised SOE continues to reinvite the same people who exploit over and over to beta. And feign surprise when they exploit again.

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 01:06 AM

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Just because it wasnt fixed does not = working as intended

Says who? Of the flying mount bugs that were reported all of the others were fixed. It shouldn't have went live if it wasn't intended and if they ban people for doing ACTUALLY DOING THE QUESTS its beyond silly.

Comparing it to item duping is also lol.

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

tranquility loot exploit
3 princes loot exploitshard of hate loot exploitSeveral item exploits
You pick and choose what you think is an exploit and only get mad when it doesnt benefit you.

I wasn't in Confirmed when they did the Tranquility exploit.

I wasn't in Dissolution when they did the Shard of Hate sisters exploit.

No idea on 3 Princes or the "several item exploits" either.

Liavy · 02-24-2011, 01:07 AM

Artificial lockout between quests was a terrible idea anyway. Save your time trying to dig through logs and just remove the restriction altogether for a day, or permanently. It's pretty silly that such a ridiculous idea as this 18 hours between quests made it through beta anyway despite the feedback. Also silly that such an exploit that I myself also reported several times in several different ways made it to live.

Time to take some responsibility for your mistakes and compensate for them imo.

NViDiaFReaK · 02-24-2011, 01:08 AM

Gaige wrote:

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Just because it wasnt fixed does not = working as intended
Says who? Of the flying mount bugs that were reported all of the others were fixed. It shouldn't have went live if it wasn't intended and if they ban people for doing ACTUALLY DOING THE QUESTS its beyond silly.
Comparing it to item duping is also lol.

Seriously your logic is severly flawed man.. you KNEW and everyone else knows that the quests where made to be done 18 hours apart. There where specific things you had to do to get the quests done early.. That is pure definition of Exploiting..

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 01:09 AM

Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

If I was SOE I would even make sure those beta testers who did exploit this do not get future beta invites.
I will be really suprised to see SOE actually do something about this though.

Sure, don't get the players in beta that break things and report them. That'd be a great, worthwhile beta test, wouldn't it?

02-23-2011, 08:44 PM	#1
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	I saw chat earlier talking about this then I personally witnessed it myself. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-23-2011, 09:06 PM	#4
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	I am thinking an exploit/bug. My young one doesn't allow me to get another training quest. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-23-2011, 09:07 PM	#5
Glenolas Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 787	Brigh wrote: I am thinking an exploit/bug. My young one doesn't allow me to get another training quest. I've thinking a Dev account.

02-23-2011, 09:50 PM	#6
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	Well I know the name of the one person I have seen so if a mod/dev wants to pm me I will give it to them. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-23-2011, 10:06 PM	#8
Lempo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,179	yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair. __________________ All actions have consequences and repercussions. Somewhere in Norrath a guild is about to dissolve.

02-23-2011, 08:52 PM	#2
zimmer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 89	Tradeskill quest for mount?

02-23-2011, 08:59 PM	#3
Stubbswick Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 293	Tradeskill one takes a day longer than the adventure one.

02-23-2011, 09:56 PM	#7
Keianna Server: Unrest_old Guild: Veni Vidi Vici Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Japan Posts: 45	I saw in chat someone saying that his griffawn wasnt allowing him to exploit the quests anymore. He was able to finish the first 3 before he wasnt able to continue.

02-23-2011, 10:23 PM	#9
Zephanor Server: Guk Guild: Ancient Legacy Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Qeynos Posts: 140	How did they do that when the CDN didn't have the necessary assests until yesterday? __________________

02-23-2011, 10:50 PM	#10
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	You sure you aren't just seeing people on the regular griffon that takes u around the zone same as Antonica or Thundering Steppes? __________________

02-23-2011, 11:10 PM	#11
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	CoLD MeTaL wrote: You sure you aren't just seeing people on the regular griffon that takes u around the zone same as Antonica or Thundering Steppes? You don't think I would know the difference? A certain player hovering above, moving around, and diving down to attack... __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-23-2011, 11:18 PM	#12
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	I heard talk of a few exploits that let people do multiple quests and advance the flying mount more quickly in Beta, I'm guessing one or more slipped through and that's probably what is happening.

02-23-2011, 11:42 PM	#13
Waters Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	Jeff3558 wrote: yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair. Not sure what you mean here. No one gets a head start on live servers, or gets to play the expansion early. There was an exploit with the flying mount quest that made it possible to do the quest much faster than intended. If you see someone flying already, this is the most likely reason for it. - Waters

02-23-2011, 11:49 PM	#14
screenid Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 411	Waters wrote: Jeff3558 wrote: yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair. Not sure what you mean here. No one gets a head start on live servers, or gets to play the expansion early. There was an exploit with the flying mount quest that made it possible to do the quest much faster than intended. If you see someone flying already, this is the most likely reason for it. - Waters =-( Well then you need to remove the 18 hr wait between quest for the rest of us. =-) __________________

02-23-2011, 11:51 PM	#15
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	I think he should permantly disable flight for the exploiters cause it would be funny.

02-24-2011, 12:05 AM	#16
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Gungo@Crushbone wrote: I think he should permantly disable flight for the exploiters cause it would be funny. All the bugs were reported in beta and nothing were done about them, as usual. __________________

02-24-2011, 12:11 AM	#17
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	Waters wrote: Jeff3558 wrote: yea SOE allowed a lot of people to get a head start on the expansion and apparently feels that it is totally fair. Not sure what you mean here. No one gets a head start on live servers, or gets to play the expansion early. There was an exploit with the flying mount quest that made it possible to do the quest much faster than intended. If you see someone flying already, this is the most likely reason for it. - Waters Shouldn't these people have their flight status grounded then? Should I send petition notifiying a GM of the person I saw? __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-24-2011, 12:25 AM	#18
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Gaige wrote: Gungo@Crushbone wrote: I think he should permantly disable flight for the exploiters cause it would be funny. All the bugs were reported in beta and nothing were done about them, as usual. SO an exploit goes through and people knew about it and then exploited it. Seems to me that warrants a nice 30-60day removal of flight. Its not permanant and should help encourage people not to exploit.

02-24-2011, 12:32 AM	#19
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Gungo@Crushbone wrote: SO an exploit goes through and people knew about it and then exploited it. Seems to me that warrants a nice 30-60day removal of flight. Its not permanant and should help encourage people not to exploit. They can do what they want but if they ever punish me for doing something that was reported in beta by numerous people I know I won't be playing this game anymore. IMO it isn't even an exploit. Duping coin? Sure. Leveling exploits? Okay. Doing quests as intended for a reward? Not an exploit. If it wasn't intended why didn't they fix it since I know for a fact this bug and numerous others were sent along during beta. Bugged/reported and not fixed = working as intended in my book. I donated tons of hours testing DoV, to be punished for SOE's lack of action would be an insult. __________________

02-24-2011, 12:42 AM	#20
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Gaige wrote: Gungo@Crushbone wrote: SO an exploit goes through and people knew about it and then exploited it. Seems to me that warrants a nice 30-60day removal of flight. Its not permanant and should help encourage people not to exploit. They can do what they want but if they ever punish me for doing something that was reported in beta by numerous people I know I won't be playing this game anymore. IMO it isn't even an exploit. Duping coin? Sure. Leveling exploits? Okay. Doing quests as intended for a reward? Not an exploit. If it wasn't intended why didn't they fix it since I know for a fact this bug and numerous others were sent along during beta. Bugged/reported and not fixed = working as intended in my book. I donated tons of hours testing DoV, to be punished for SOE's lack of action would be an insult. You donoted tons of hours to find an exploit and then use it. The problem is you should of never used the exploit. since you did NOT do the quest as intended. Duping results in account banning. Using an exploit you found in beta should warrant some form of action of course not as sever as banning. Since it only encourages people such as yourself from exploiting again. And then using the excuse of well I reported it in beta. (You are a great example since this wouldnt be the first time for you using preexsisting exploits)

02-24-2011, 12:47 AM	#21
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Gungo@Crushbone wrote: You donoted tons of hours to find an exploit and then use it. Can you read? We found exploits AND THEN I PERSONALLY EMAILED DEVS AND REPORTED THEM. Some devs fixed things quickly some fixed things slowly and some didn't fix anything at all, which means to me it didn't need to be fixed because it was working as intended. Anyone who is flying right now had to do all the quests, you couldn't exploit from the pet to the mount without doing anything. /shrug They're already messing up by limiting the amount of repeatables you can do for faction each day and other stupid decisions making this game even worse because I hate being locked out of progression by artificial means. So again, let them "punish" people for this with your amazing recommendations, probably doing anything who is flying today a favor in the long run anyway. Also: I never said I have my mount yet, you're assuming. I'm just saying I know for a fact that all the flying mount bugs were reported during the beta. Gungo@Crushbone wrote: (You are a great example since this wouldnt be the first time for you using preexsisting exploits) Like? Do you mean in RoK when I got my own guildies banned for exploiting leveling? How about in SF when I got my own guildies stripped/suspended for duping in BGs? How about in SF when I got the poisoned wave respawns fixed despite some of my own guildies using them to level? Any real examples or you just talking out of what you should be sitting on? __________________

02-24-2011, 12:55 AM	#22
NViDiaFReaK Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Woodlands, Tx Posts: 544	This is just outrageous. Either the quest needs to have the 18 hour restriction removed. Or the people who EXPLOITED the quest need to have their mounts removed, quest reset and banned for a at least a week. Using knowledge that was aquired during beta to do something that was not intended is an exploit. Just because it wasnt fixed does not = working as intended. It was stated MANY MANY MANY times that the griffawn quests where INTENDED to have an 18 hour timer between each one. Beta should not be used as a method for learning how to CHEAT everyone else on the server UNFAIRLY. Its like insider training on wallstreet. Using your knowledge to get ahead of everyone else. If I was SOE I would even make sure those beta testers who did exploit this do not get future beta invites. I will be really suprised to see SOE actually do something about this though. __________________

02-24-2011, 12:56 AM	#23
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Gaige wrote: Gungo@Crushbone wrote: You donoted tons of hours to find an exploit and then use it. Can you read? We found exploits AND THEN I PERSONALLY EMAILED DEVS AND REPORTED THEM. Some devs fixed things quickly some fixed things slowly and some didn't fix anything at all, which means to me it didn't need to be fixed because it was working as intended. Anyone who is flying right now had to do all the quests, you couldn't exploit from the pet to the mount without doing anything. /shrug They're already messing up by limiting the amount of repeatables you can do for faction each day and other stupid decisions making this game even worse because I hate being locked out of progression by artificial means. So again, let them "punish" people for this with your amazing recommendations, probably doing anything who is flying today a favor in the long run anyway. Also: I never said I have my mount yet, you're assuming. I'm just saying I know for a fact that all the flying mount bugs were reported during the beta. I love it when you get defensive over your exploits. Look I didnt need to assume anything when you specifically said "They can do what they want but if they ever punish me for doing something that was reported in beta by numerous people I know I won't be playing this game anymore." This is you implying you exploited. Doing all the quests had nothing to do with the fact you intenionally skipped the 18hour delay on each step. That is the exploit. The exploit you claimed you KNEW about in beta. The exploit you claimed you KNEW was a bug in beta and then sent bug reports about. The devs and senior producer stated several times was intended to be a 5 day reward. Claiming ignorance at this point doesnt do you any favors. So yes punishing people that exploit is a deterrant from them exploiting again. Especially those who are suppose to be beta testing instead of trying to find exploits so they can use when an expansion goes live. A 30-60 day removal of flight access on a toon is a perfectly acceptable and non permanant deterence to discourage exploiters such as yourself.

02-24-2011, 12:58 AM	#24
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Gaige wrote: Like? Do you mean in RoK when I got my own guildies banned for exploiting leveling? How about in SF when I got my own guildies stripped/suspended for duping in BGs? How about in SF when I got the poisoned wave respawns fixed despite some of my own guildies using them to level? Any real examples or you just talking out of what you should be sitting on? tranquility loot exploit 3 princes loot exploitshard of hate loot exploitSeveral item exploits You pick and choose what you think is an exploit and only get mad when it doesnt benefit you.

02-24-2011, 01:00 AM	#25
NViDiaFReaK Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Woodlands, Tx Posts: 544	Gaige wrote: Some devs fixed things quickly some fixed things slowly and some didn't fix anything at all, which means to me it didn't need to be fixed because it was working as intended. are you really that naive that even though it was stated multiple times in many different formats that the mount was intended to take several days to complete. It was stated that there was to be 18 hours between each quest. If you or anyone else did anything to speed that process up then that was the exploit. Sure they had to do all the quests but if they bypassed the 18 hour wait between doing them they exploited. __________________

02-24-2011, 01:02 AM	#26
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote: If I was SOE I would even make sure those beta testers who did exploit this do not get future beta invites. I will be really suprised to see SOE actually do something about this though. I agree I am completely surprised SOE continues to reinvite the same people who exploit over and over to beta. And feign surprise when they exploit again.

02-24-2011, 01:06 AM	#27
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote: Just because it wasnt fixed does not = working as intended Says who? Of the flying mount bugs that were reported all of the others were fixed. It shouldn't have went live if it wasn't intended and if they ban people for doing ACTUALLY DOING THE QUESTS its beyond silly. Comparing it to item duping is also lol. Gungo@Crushbone wrote: tranquility loot exploit 3 princes loot exploitshard of hate loot exploitSeveral item exploits You pick and choose what you think is an exploit and only get mad when it doesnt benefit you. I wasn't in Confirmed when they did the Tranquility exploit. I wasn't in Dissolution when they did the Shard of Hate sisters exploit. No idea on 3 Princes or the "several item exploits" either. __________________

02-24-2011, 01:07 AM	#28
Liavy Server: Kithicor Guild: Malicious Intentions Rank: Recruit Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 44	Artificial lockout between quests was a terrible idea anyway. Save your time trying to dig through logs and just remove the restriction altogether for a day, or permanently. It's pretty silly that such a ridiculous idea as this 18 hours between quests made it through beta anyway despite the feedback. Also silly that such an exploit that I myself also reported several times in several different ways made it to live. Time to take some responsibility for your mistakes and compensate for them imo.

02-24-2011, 01:08 AM	#29
NViDiaFReaK Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Woodlands, Tx Posts: 544	Gaige wrote: Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote: Just because it wasnt fixed does not = working as intended Says who? Of the flying mount bugs that were reported all of the others were fixed. It shouldn't have went live if it wasn't intended and if they ban people for doing ACTUALLY DOING THE QUESTS its beyond silly. Comparing it to item duping is also lol. Seriously your logic is severly flawed man.. you KNEW and everyone else knows that the quests where made to be done 18 hours apart. There where specific things you had to do to get the quests done early.. That is pure definition of Exploiting.. __________________

02-24-2011, 01:09 AM	#30
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Padeshar@Antonia Bayle wrote: If I was SOE I would even make sure those beta testers who did exploit this do not get future beta invites. I will be really suprised to see SOE actually do something about this though. Sure, don't get the players in beta that break things and report them. That'd be a great, worthwhile beta test, wouldn't it? __________________