Appearance Mounts

Arweena69 · 01-16-2011, 06:41 PM

So now that we have the option to turn off mouts in the Options window and the option to get the stats from one mount but show another ... Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance? I prefer my toon to not show her mount but I'd like the option to have others see her without her mount as well while I still get the mount's buff.

Also sorta the same thing for SOGA vs non-SOGA models. I <3 the way my High Elf looks in the non-SOGA ( I started the game long before SOGA ever came around ) and I spent a LOT of time geting her appearence just right so I would like for people to see her as the non-SOGA cause honostly I don't like the High Elf SOGA appearence, and even though I've set her SOGA I would really prefer people see her in the non-SOGA model.

Lethe5683 · 01-16-2011, 09:17 PM

Xhusbands@Oasis wrote:

So now that we have the option to turn off mouts in the Options window and the option to get the stats from one mount but show another ... Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance? I prefer my toon to not show her mount but I'd like the option to have others see her without her mount as well while I still get the mount's buff.

I would love this as well.

Cusashorn · 01-16-2011, 10:08 PM

Just thought you should be aware of this thread here.

Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... But then again, this is something present for everyone who has thier mounts turned off from showing. Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

Lethe5683 · 01-18-2011, 07:59 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

Just thought you should be aware of this thread here.
Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... But then again, this is something present for everyone who has thier mounts turned off from showing. Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

Maybe not for flying mounts but those aren't even in the game yet so really has nothing to do with this.

Lunamoth · 01-19-2011, 05:36 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away...

not unless you are fae or arasai!

Cusashorn · 01-19-2011, 06:15 PM

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away...
not unless you are fae or arasai!

Nah, their wings aren't designed for flight. It's in the lore. :p

Lunamoth · 01-19-2011, 07:08 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:
Cusashorn wrote:
Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away...
not unless you are fae or arasai!
Nah, their wings aren't designed for flight. It's in the lore. :p

funny, mine seems to be flying constantly, as do her kin. the only lore i've read about their being flight-disabled is in the book "hate gives rise to another superior race," which mentions that some arasai are born without wings, but they are given magical construct ones. i've read nothing saying that they are "not designed for flight."

Rainmare · 01-19-2011, 07:24 PM

the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

Lunamoth · 01-19-2011, 07:36 PM

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

Morghus · 01-19-2011, 07:42 PM

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:
the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.
if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower.

Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?

Lunamoth · 01-19-2011, 08:29 PM

Morghus wrote:

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:
Rainmare@Oasis wrote:
the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.
if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.
You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower.
Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?

just going on the visuals in the game, the wings *do* lift the weight of the character -- constantly. if the developers wanted to lend support to lore that the wings are good for forward propulsion only, they should have the fae/arasai stand on his/her feet when not walking/running, only lifting their feet when being propelled in some direction.

as for the size of their wings, there are flying creatures throughout the game which are equally if not more improbably capable of flight -- i'm not really sure that earth laws of physics and aerodynamics have much sway in a fantasy game populated by magical beings.

my point is just that they *look* as if they are constantly flying, which in my opinion *looks* silly when combined with flying mounts.

/shrug

Cusashorn · 01-19-2011, 09:15 PM

It's here in this thread that confirms that the Fae can't fly. Kind of hard to dispute with a developer over that one.

Lunamoth · 01-19-2011, 10:08 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

It's here in this thread that confirms that the Fae can't fly. Kind of hard to dispute with a developer over that one.

i suppose that the idea that a small magical winged creature which *appears* to be capable of flight (which can turn itself into an even smaller magical winged speck of glitter which *appears* capable of even higher flight) should actually somehow, you know, be capable of flight... is too much of a stretch, even in a magical fantasy setting. pity.

Lethe5683 · 01-20-2011, 12:14 AM

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:

Morghus wrote:
Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:
Rainmare@Oasis wrote:
the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.
if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.
You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower.
Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?
just going on the visuals in the game, the wings *do* lift the weight of the character -- constantly. if the developers wanted to lend support to lore that the wings are good for forward propulsion only, they should have the fae/arasai stand on his/her feet when not walking/running, only lifting their feet when being propelled in some direction.
as for the size of their wings, there are flying creatures throughout the game which are equally if not more improbably capable of flight -- i'm not really sure that earth laws of physics and aerodynamics have much sway in a fantasy game populated by magical beings.
my point is just that they *look* as if they are constantly flying, which in my opinion *looks* silly when combined with flying mounts.
/shrug

I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP. Game balance > realism.

Lunamoth · 01-20-2011, 01:12 AM

Xhusbands@Oasis wrote:

Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance?

Cusashorn wrote:

Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:

not unless you are fae or arasai!

[debate about whether or not fae/arasai would be capable of flight]

Lethe5683 wrote:

I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP. Game balance > realism.

reading comprehension FAIL. this is about allowing fae/arasai to hide their flying mount, not about giving them a freebie.

Lethe5683 · 01-20-2011, 02:59 AM

Lunamoth@Oasis wrote:

Lethe5683 wrote:
I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP. Game balance > realism.
reading comprehension FAIL. this is about allowing fae/arasai to hide their flying mount, not about giving them a freebie.

Exactly, and if the game does not allow Fae to fly then there is no reason that they should be able to hide a flying mount unless every race can.

Cusashorn · 01-20-2011, 12:48 PM

Yep yep. Just because you have wings doesn't mean you get special treatment. If you get the ability to hide your flying mount so you can appear to be flying by your own strength, then so will every other race who can defy gravity and fly like Superman.

Vomitus · 01-20-2011, 03:43 PM

I understand why Fae/Arasai players would suggest/desire for their magical fairies to gain the ability to fly instead of just hover. That, to me, does not seem like a stretch of the imagination. They are the only races I can picture flying without mounts and looking "normal" in this fantasy setting. Of course it would only be fair if they'd have to go through the same amount of pain from quests or plat as other player races to obtain that ability.

Lethe5683 · 01-20-2011, 08:10 PM

Sluggo wrote:

I understand why Fae/Arasai players would suggest/desire for their magical fairies to gain the ability to fly instead of just hover. That, to me, does not seem like a stretch of the imagination. They are the only races I can picture flying without mounts and looking "normal" in this fantasy setting. Of course it would only be fair if they'd have to go through the same amount of pain from quests or plat as other player races to obtain that ability.

I can't imagine how Fae could look normal flying high of the ground when they already look ridiculous hovering a couple inches off the ground.

01-16-2011, 09:17 PM	#2
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Xhusbands@Oasis wrote: So now that we have the option to turn off mouts in the Options window and the option to get the stats from one mount but show another ... Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance? I prefer my toon to not show her mount but I'd like the option to have others see her without her mount as well while I still get the mount's buff. I would love this as well.

01-18-2011, 07:59 AM	#4
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Cusashorn wrote: Just thought you should be aware of this thread here. Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... But then again, this is something present for everyone who has thier mounts turned off from showing. Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up. Maybe not for flying mounts but those aren't even in the game yet so really has nothing to do with this.

01-19-2011, 05:36 PM	#5
Lunamoth Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Cusashorn wrote: Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... not unless you are fae or arasai!

01-19-2011, 06:15 PM	#6
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... not unless you are fae or arasai! Nah, their wings aren't designed for flight. It's in the lore. :p

01-19-2011, 07:08 PM	#7
Lunamoth Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Cusashorn wrote: Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... not unless you are fae or arasai! Nah, their wings aren't designed for flight. It's in the lore. :p funny, mine seems to be flying constantly, as do her kin. the only lore i've read about their being flight-disabled is in the book "hate gives rise to another superior race," which mentions that some arasai are born without wings, but they are given magical construct ones. i've read nothing saying that they are "not designed for flight."

01-16-2011, 06:41 PM	#1
Arweena69 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 105	So now that we have the option to turn off mouts in the Options window and the option to get the stats from one mount but show another ... Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance? I prefer my toon to not show her mount but I'd like the option to have others see her without her mount as well while I still get the mount's buff. Also sorta the same thing for SOGA vs non-SOGA models. I <3 the way my High Elf looks in the non-SOGA ( I started the game long before SOGA ever came around ) and I spent a LOT of time geting her appearence just right so I would like for people to see her as the non-SOGA cause honostly I don't like the High Elf SOGA appearence, and even though I've set her SOGA I would really prefer people see her in the non-SOGA model.

01-16-2011, 10:08 PM	#3
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Just thought you should be aware of this thread here. Anyway, my only complaint about an invisible mount is this: how would you fly? Obviously can't just go Up, Up, and Away... But then again, this is something present for everyone who has thier mounts turned off from showing. Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up.

01-19-2011, 07:24 PM	#8
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight.

01-19-2011, 07:36 PM	#9
Lunamoth Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Rainmare@Oasis wrote: the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight. if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me.

01-19-2011, 07:42 PM	#10
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Rainmare@Oasis wrote: the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight. if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me. You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower. Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight?

01-19-2011, 08:29 PM	#11
Lunamoth Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Morghus wrote: Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Rainmare@Oasis wrote: the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight. if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me. You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower. Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight? just going on the visuals in the game, the wings do lift the weight of the character -- constantly. if the developers wanted to lend support to lore that the wings are good for forward propulsion only, they should have the fae/arasai stand on his/her feet when not walking/running, only lifting their feet when being propelled in some direction. as for the size of their wings, there are flying creatures throughout the game which are equally if not more improbably capable of flight -- i'm not really sure that earth laws of physics and aerodynamics have much sway in a fantasy game populated by magical beings. my point is just that they look as if they are constantly flying, which in my opinion looks silly when combined with flying mounts. /shrug

01-19-2011, 09:15 PM	#12
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	It's here in this thread that confirms that the Fae can't fly. Kind of hard to dispute with a developer over that one.

01-19-2011, 10:08 PM	#13
Lunamoth Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Cusashorn wrote: It's here in this thread that confirms that the Fae can't fly. Kind of hard to dispute with a developer over that one. i suppose that the idea that a small magical winged creature which appears to be capable of flight (which can turn itself into an even smaller magical winged speck of glitter which appears capable of even higher flight) should actually somehow, you know, be capable of flight... is too much of a stretch, even in a magical fantasy setting. pity.

01-20-2011, 12:14 AM	#14
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Morghus wrote: Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Rainmare@Oasis wrote: the lore of it says that basically while the wings can be used for that 'flight' as you call it..which is really more of propelling yourself forward rather then actual flight, that thier wings aren't strong enough to sustain 'true' flight. as in they can push themselves forward with thier wings, but can't lift themselves up off the ground for actual flight. if this is lore, then i have to wonder why the developers decided that my feet should never touch the ground (except when casting certain spells). i'd call hovering above the ground "actual flight," but maybe that's just me. You would be wrong. It is as actual flight, as much as levitating in the original everquest was actual flight. You could float and move across the sky, but you ultimately went down. You could not fly higher, so much as fall slower. Just look at those wings in relation to the body. Do you really believe they could support actual true flight without snapping off from trying to lift the character's weight? just going on the visuals in the game, the wings do lift the weight of the character -- constantly. if the developers wanted to lend support to lore that the wings are good for forward propulsion only, they should have the fae/arasai stand on his/her feet when not walking/running, only lifting their feet when being propelled in some direction. as for the size of their wings, there are flying creatures throughout the game which are equally if not more improbably capable of flight -- i'm not really sure that earth laws of physics and aerodynamics have much sway in a fantasy game populated by magical beings. my point is just that they look as if they are constantly flying, which in my opinion looks silly when combined with flying mounts. /shrug I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP. Game balance > realism.

01-20-2011, 01:12 AM	#15
Lunamoth Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Xhusbands@Oasis wrote: Can we please get a mount item that has no appearance? Cusashorn wrote: Maybe with flying mounts, it just won't be possible to hide them from showing up. Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: not unless you are fae or arasai! [debate about whether or not fae/arasai would be capable of flight] Lethe5683 wrote: I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP. Game balance > realism. reading comprehension FAIL. this is about allowing fae/arasai to hide their flying mount, not about giving them a freebie.

01-20-2011, 02:59 AM	#16
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Lunamoth@Oasis wrote: Lethe5683 wrote: I have a better reason, Fae can't fly because it would be OP. Game balance > realism. reading comprehension FAIL. this is about allowing fae/arasai to hide their flying mount, not about giving them a freebie. Exactly, and if the game does not allow Fae to fly then there is no reason that they should be able to hide a flying mount unless every race can.

01-20-2011, 12:48 PM	#17
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Yep yep. Just because you have wings doesn't mean you get special treatment. If you get the ability to hide your flying mount so you can appear to be flying by your own strength, then so will every other race who can defy gravity and fly like Superman.

01-20-2011, 03:43 PM	#18
Vomitus Server: Oasis Guild: Harbingers of Sathir Rank: Coerced Minion Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 25	I understand why Fae/Arasai players would suggest/desire for their magical fairies to gain the ability to fly instead of just hover. That, to me, does not seem like a stretch of the imagination. They are the only races I can picture flying without mounts and looking "normal" in this fantasy setting. Of course it would only be fair if they'd have to go through the same amount of pain from quests or plat as other player races to obtain that ability.

01-20-2011, 08:10 PM	#19
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Sluggo wrote: I understand why Fae/Arasai players would suggest/desire for their magical fairies to gain the ability to fly instead of just hover. That, to me, does not seem like a stretch of the imagination. They are the only races I can picture flying without mounts and looking "normal" in this fantasy setting. Of course it would only be fair if they'd have to go through the same amount of pain from quests or plat as other player races to obtain that ability. I can't imagine how Fae could look normal flying high of the ground when they already look ridiculous hovering a couple inches off the ground.