A (hopeful) Step forward

Yotain · 07-06-2010, 06:19 PM

Ok as of the last event involving the quest Path of the Prophet, I becsme VERY interested in the Shissar Calendar (Doomsday Calendar) due to the fact that I have several characters that are iksar one particular that is a scholar of sorts and is a monk. Not I read the post on EQ2 Flames and the various pots/images/links from Vhalen's final gift to us. The Shissar knew of thier fates....

Using the information of those of this game the seek out the lore and what not I came up with a thoery that the Shissar Calendar which is seem to use both in combination of these images.

Now this image is part of the calendar and that the Dev has also hinted that the one below is also apart of it.

This most people know however I have a theory that combine the first images make a mook up of the calendar as a whole, assuming that the calendar rotates like a clock. Now at the very first picture the image as triple images extending above the floor figuring that the calendar as three major parts to I broke up what I thought would be the parts.

Hour Hand: Being the representation of movements of ages.

Minute Hand: Basicly a representation of the gods and their movements. Several god symbols are uses within the inner circle so I figured it had to do something with the gods. I also think that the center symbol which has been thought to be Innorruuk's sign could mean great evil, guidance or direction.

Second Hand: I have not fully figure out the top left or right symbols but the middle is for sure Maylongs. So I figure the Maylog being he is immortal still thinks in mortal fashion and that those thoughts are in mortal fashion. Always a split second decsions. Another reason I state that the second hand is Maylong cause through out Norraths history he has been a back player. Kind of like Kain in the Blood Omen and Legacys of Kain series. His moment though small in comparison to the gods and to ages have an effect on Norrath.

Hopefully I explained my process, now it is time to get to the true reason I am posting. Using the timeline provide at Lore of Norrath and a bit of rotating the hour, minute hands (persay) of the calender from Coniaric generious post in the thread A new part of the Theer Prophecy revealed! of his images. I got this image:

With the hour hand pointing at the destruction of the Shisser the other three points are pointing at the Rallos, Luclin and Erudite symbol. It struck a cord when looking at the begining of the Age of Momentum in the Lore of Norrath site.

Rallos created that Ogres and Orc.

Erudin and Paineel were at a civial war, blowing a chuck of norrath to Luclin, and finally the shissar were getting killed by the greenmist.

With all of the points pointing at each of those exact symbols it got me wondering so I rotated the mintue hand to have both Brell and Rallos symbols match up simply cause during the begining of that age the Second pact of the gods was created.

With the Innorruuk symbol pointing to the symbol of Luclin I am thinking that this may gave and indication that the shissar would go to Luclin using the aid of the Erudites to Escape the greenmist.

I did not move the second hand cause I have not been able to find any lore stating where Maylong is during that time period or if he existed then.

Inconlusion I know this seems a bit far fetched but I would not just sit back and not help out the lore community if I actually did find something out that was useful. I hope that this will aid in the continual reseach of norraths history and future and perhaps unlock the Shissar's calendar.

Meirril · 07-06-2010, 09:44 PM

It is intersting, but some of your conclusions are not possible.

First, the Shissar left Norrath for Luclin long before the creation of Barbarians. Unless the Euradites were time traveling they would never have been able to meet the Shissar except on Luclin (according to the EQ2 timeline, don't correct me with EQ1 divergences). While elves as the first race created certainly do exist at this point in time (on Tunaria/Antonica) we can't say with any certainty where exactly Mayong comes from or how he was created. (some people are going to point out that the Ydal existed before this, which is funny because well established Norrathian lore point to dragons being the very first race, and they Ydal lore points to the Ydal being older than that. Later Norrathian lore says the Elves and other races were created in response to Veeshan placing her mark and brood on Norrath. Now, considering all the Ydal history comes from Mayong's home...he isn't known for lying or twisting the truth is he?)

With the callendar pointing at The Shattering (and event), it also points out the missappropriated sigil used by Euradites (Theer I believe), Ralos Zek, and the crossed bones symbol that I associate with the Greenmist. Each of the outter symbols probably represents an even in Norrath's history.

Still the permutations can be intersting. A lot of these events are interconnected.

Mary the Prophetess · 07-06-2010, 11:01 PM

I *still* do not understand two things about the Chelsith Stone:

1. The 'empty' spot (looks like it has been struck by something [radiating cracks etc]) at the bottom of the stone.

2. The 'Runnyeye' symbol breaking into the main circle.

Could someone please (patiently) explain those two features to me?

kelvmor · 07-07-2010, 12:19 AM

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

I *still* do not understand two things about the Chelsith Stone:
1. The 'empty' spot (looks like it has been struck by something [radiating cracks etc]) at the bottom of the stone.
2. The 'Runnyeye' symbol breaking into the main circle.
Could someone please (patiently) explain those two features to me?

The Runnyeye symbol might be the thought that the goblins are regaining their Ankexfen intelligence. It might be the discovery that Bolgin Serilis, Brell's twisted brother in Golm, had a hand in their creation.

EDIT: With Rallos Zek, it is a belief of all Rallos-worshippers that Norrath shall end in a magnificent, great war, eventually. Possibly, the symbol of Zek in that image is a reference to that belief. He's tried it in the past, leading the Rallosian Empires to near victory over the entirety of Norrath and even against the Rathe, despite that a member of the Rathe Council will sprout up from the earth if one is slain.

Rezikai · 07-07-2010, 01:16 AM

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

I *still* do not understand two things about the Chelsith Stone:
1. The 'empty' spot (looks like it has been struck by something [radiating cracks etc]) at the bottom of the stone.
2. The 'Runnyeye' symbol breaking into the main circle.
Could someone please (patiently) explain those two features to me?

The empty "Cracked" part is where the medalion you retrieve from Trakanon goes iirc, at the end of the questline you take the medalion from him and place it in the Chelsith stone (activatable raid version) and place that medalion in it to get the house version we all recognize.

07-06-2010, 06:19 PM	#1
Yotain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	Ok as of the last event involving the quest Path of the Prophet, I becsme VERY interested in the Shissar Calendar (Doomsday Calendar) due to the fact that I have several characters that are iksar one particular that is a scholar of sorts and is a monk. Not I read the post on EQ2 Flames and the various pots/images/links from Vhalen's final gift to us. The Shissar knew of thier fates.... Using the information of those of this game the seek out the lore and what not I came up with a thoery that the Shissar Calendar which is seem to use both in combination of these images. Now this image is part of the calendar and that the Dev has also hinted that the one below is also apart of it. This most people know however I have a theory that combine the first images make a mook up of the calendar as a whole, assuming that the calendar rotates like a clock. Now at the very first picture the image as triple images extending above the floor figuring that the calendar as three major parts to I broke up what I thought would be the parts. Hour Hand: Being the representation of movements of ages. Minute Hand: Basicly a representation of the gods and their movements. Several god symbols are uses within the inner circle so I figured it had to do something with the gods. I also think that the center symbol which has been thought to be Innorruuk's sign could mean great evil, guidance or direction. Second Hand: I have not fully figure out the top left or right symbols but the middle is for sure Maylongs. So I figure the Maylog being he is immortal still thinks in mortal fashion and that those thoughts are in mortal fashion. Always a split second decsions. Another reason I state that the second hand is Maylong cause through out Norraths history he has been a back player. Kind of like Kain in the Blood Omen and Legacys of Kain series. His moment though small in comparison to the gods and to ages have an effect on Norrath. Hopefully I explained my process, now it is time to get to the true reason I am posting. Using the timeline provide at Lore of Norrath and a bit of rotating the hour, minute hands (persay) of the calender from Coniaric generious post in the thread A new part of the Theer Prophecy revealed! of his images. I got this image: With the hour hand pointing at the destruction of the Shisser the other three points are pointing at the Rallos, Luclin and Erudite symbol. It struck a cord when looking at the begining of the Age of Momentum in the Lore of Norrath site. Rallos created that Ogres and Orc. Erudin and Paineel were at a civial war, blowing a chuck of norrath to Luclin, and finally the shissar were getting killed by the greenmist. With all of the points pointing at each of those exact symbols it got me wondering so I rotated the mintue hand to have both Brell and Rallos symbols match up simply cause during the begining of that age the Second pact of the gods was created. With the Innorruuk symbol pointing to the symbol of Luclin I am thinking that this may gave and indication that the shissar would go to Luclin using the aid of the Erudites to Escape the greenmist. I did not move the second hand cause I have not been able to find any lore stating where Maylong is during that time period or if he existed then. Inconlusion I know this seems a bit far fetched but I would not just sit back and not help out the lore community if I actually did find something out that was useful. I hope that this will aid in the continual reseach of norraths history and future and perhaps unlock the Shissar's calendar. __________________

07-07-2010, 12:19 AM	#4
kelvmor Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,036	Mary the Prophetess wrote: I still do not understand two things about the Chelsith Stone: 1. The 'empty' spot (looks like it has been struck by something [radiating cracks etc]) at the bottom of the stone. 2. The 'Runnyeye' symbol breaking into the main circle. Could someone please (patiently) explain those two features to me? The Runnyeye symbol might be the thought that the goblins are regaining their Ankexfen intelligence. It might be the discovery that Bolgin Serilis, Brell's twisted brother in Golm, had a hand in their creation. EDIT: With Rallos Zek, it is a belief of all Rallos-worshippers that Norrath shall end in a magnificent, great war, eventually. Possibly, the symbol of Zek in that image is a reference to that belief. He's tried it in the past, leading the Rallosian Empires to near victory over the entirety of Norrath and even against the Rathe, despite that a member of the Rathe Council will sprout up from the earth if one is slain.

07-07-2010, 01:16 AM	#5
Rezikai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 561	Mary the Prophetess wrote: I still do not understand two things about the Chelsith Stone: 1. The 'empty' spot (looks like it has been struck by something [radiating cracks etc]) at the bottom of the stone. 2. The 'Runnyeye' symbol breaking into the main circle. Could someone please (patiently) explain those two features to me? The empty "Cracked" part is where the medalion you retrieve from Trakanon goes iirc, at the end of the questline you take the medalion from him and place it in the Chelsith stone (activatable raid version) and place that medalion in it to get the house version we all recognize. __________________

07-06-2010, 09:44 PM	#2
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	It is intersting, but some of your conclusions are not possible. First, the Shissar left Norrath for Luclin long before the creation of Barbarians. Unless the Euradites were time traveling they would never have been able to meet the Shissar except on Luclin (according to the EQ2 timeline, don't correct me with EQ1 divergences). While elves as the first race created certainly do exist at this point in time (on Tunaria/Antonica) we can't say with any certainty where exactly Mayong comes from or how he was created. (some people are going to point out that the Ydal existed before this, which is funny because well established Norrathian lore point to dragons being the very first race, and they Ydal lore points to the Ydal being older than that. Later Norrathian lore says the Elves and other races were created in response to Veeshan placing her mark and brood on Norrath. Now, considering all the Ydal history comes from Mayong's home...he isn't known for lying or twisting the truth is he?) With the callendar pointing at The Shattering (and event), it also points out the missappropriated sigil used by Euradites (Theer I believe), Ralos Zek, and the crossed bones symbol that I associate with the Greenmist. Each of the outter symbols probably represents an even in Norrath's history. Still the permutations can be intersting. A lot of these events are interconnected.

07-06-2010, 11:01 PM	#3
Mary the Prophetess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	I still do not understand two things about the Chelsith Stone: 1. The 'empty' spot (looks like it has been struck by something [radiating cracks etc]) at the bottom of the stone. 2. The 'Runnyeye' symbol breaking into the main circle. Could someone please (patiently) explain those two features to me?