why lvl 20 for appearance slots?

Ocello · 05-20-2010, 08:53 PM

Ok seriously, give me a reason why you have to wait till level 20 to use appearance gear?

I know you get to 20 pretty quickly, but I was just dinking around on a lvl 7 alt....

Seriously I'm wearing a lvl 1 robe instead of plate armor just for looks. Yeah I'm carebear, but what the heck.

Gimme a reason

Crickett · 05-20-2010, 08:59 PM

Because

Iskandar · 05-20-2010, 10:25 PM

Yeah! So... there!

Rijacki · 05-20-2010, 11:03 PM

Level 20 so it feels like an acheivement, a priviledge granted instead of just a gimmie.

Skywarrior · 05-20-2010, 11:26 PM

/facepalm

Rothgar · 05-20-2010, 11:55 PM

It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.

Ocello · 05-21-2010, 12:33 AM

Rothgar wrote:

It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.

How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional?

I'll buy your reasoning is to make players unlock content, but cmon "overwhelming new players" is kind of lame. It doesnt hurt them at all to simply ignore the appearance tab, so it doesn't make sense that it could overwhelm them SMILEY

kelesia · 05-21-2010, 01:01 AM

does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious!

thephantomposter · 05-21-2010, 01:16 AM

Lillya@Antonia Bayle wrote:

does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious!

yes

Nightshade · 05-21-2010, 02:16 AM

Time sink.

The only answer you need for 8/10 of the questions you might have.

Good game design has many time sinks, some subtle and some blatant, without putting people over the edge. Everquest 2 is pretty good at keeping the "Just one more level. . ." syndrom going. SMILEY

Not criticising, just pointing out the obvious.

Jrral · 05-21-2010, 02:51 AM

Ocello wrote:

How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional?

Yes it's optional. But think about a new player confronted with an inventory screen with not one but two places to put every item. I'd say there's about a 50-50 chance they'll start putting gear in the appearance slot, which'll result in them getting killed on a regular basis for no apparent reason.

Arauka_Gurtha · 05-21-2010, 07:15 AM

Rothgar wrote:

It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.

Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character.

Aldhissla · 05-21-2010, 07:25 AM

I don't want lowbies running around in too flashy armour.

Nightshade · 05-21-2010, 08:14 AM

Arauka_Gurtha wrote:

Rothgar wrote:
It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.
Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character.

I would love to see a developer response to this.

And of course we know it's possible to have level dependant account flags, because of the XP bonus given to accounts with a max level character.

I like this suggestion.

erin · 05-21-2010, 08:25 AM

Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote:

Arauka_Gurtha wrote:
Rothgar wrote:
It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.
Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character.
I would love to see a developer response to this.
And of course we know it's possible to have level dependant account flags, because of the XP bonus given to accounts with a max level character.
I like this suggestion.

The other side of this question is, is it really worth developers time and effort? Sure there's level lockers, but I don't know a lot that spend months below level 20. Is it worth the time? I would say no.

Mystfit · 05-21-2010, 08:32 AM

I have a level 4 toon on another server soley to assist in decorating a gh for a friend. SHe'd be level 1 but I ran her to TD to get the stuffed fish. WHen the free armbands came in, I got her a set and bam bam bam kept trying to put the darn things into my appearance slot. Took me forever to realize it was cause I was an itty bit.

I don't mind waiting until 20 but also wouldn't mind if it got changed.

xeyda · 05-21-2010, 01:26 PM

thephantomposter wrote:

Lillya@Antonia Bayle wrote:
does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious!
yes

When did this get changed? It didn't used to unlock appearance slots, or surnames, at 20 TS if you were under 20 ADV.

Roslyn · 05-21-2010, 01:51 PM

I like it at lvl 20, because it does make you work for something, and it's a very small requirement. If it's an alt you plan on playing, you'll get to 20 in no time. I like that you have to look silly for a short while before able to put on the awesome achievements gear hehe.

I'd much rather have time put into appearance mounts...

Nightshade · 05-21-2010, 01:55 PM

Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part.

There's always one or two.

Gladiolus · 05-21-2010, 03:38 PM

Ocello wrote:

why lvl 20 for appearance slots?

So we don't have level 1s crying about not being able to find enough black clothing.

At level 12, I didn't like the robe I'd need to wear if I wanted decent stats, so I went and crafted to level 20, which I would have needed sooner or later anyway, so I could keep my old robe for appearance.

Ocello · 05-21-2010, 04:39 PM

Gladiolus wrote:

Ocello wrote:
why lvl 20 for appearance slots?
So we don't have level 1s crying about not being able to find enough black clothing.

bwahaha you got me, THIS is the real answer. Thanks mate.

Rijacki · 05-21-2010, 06:42 PM

Lexander@Antonia Bayle wrote:

thephantomposter wrote:
Lillya@Antonia Bayle wrote:
does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious!
yes
When did this get changed? It didn't used to unlock appearance slots, or surnames, at 20 TS if you were under 20 ADV.

Never changed, it has always been there for as long as the feature has. If either ever got "changed" it was in beta testing (of the game for surname and of appearance slots for when those first went in).

Rothgar · 05-21-2010, 06:53 PM

Ocello wrote:

Rothgar wrote:
It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.
How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional?
I'll buy your reasoning is to make players unlock content, but cmon "overwhelming new players" is kind of lame. It doesnt hurt them at all to simply ignore the appearance tab, so it doesn't make sense that it could overwhelm them

Sure it does. New players don't know what is optional and what isn't until they take the time to figure out what something is. The fact that you throw that feature in their face makes them say "What is this appearance thing?" And if they choose to ignore it, there's that nagging feeling that maybe they are missing out on something or doing something wrong. If they do take the time to figure out what it is, it slows down getting to the other stuff.

So whether or not something is optional has nothing to do with how many bells and whistles you display to someone at once. It would be like throwing someone in the cockpit of a 747 when they've never flown a plane before. Have you seen how many switches and buttons are in those things? SMILEY Learning in a Cessna is much easier, then you show them how to adjust the hydraulic pressure after they've figured out to adjust the throttle.

Darn, there I go with analogies again.

Rothgar · 05-21-2010, 06:55 PM

Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote:

Arauka_Gurtha wrote:
Rothgar wrote:
It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.
Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character.
I would love to see a developer response to this.
And of course we know it's possible to have level dependant account flags, because of the XP bonus given to accounts with a max level character.
I like this suggestion.

Yep, that's certainly an option and something we could consider. But at that point we are opening a can of worms and would need to answer the question when people ask why we don't go back and do that to the other bazillion features in EQ2. SMILEY

erin · 05-21-2010, 10:29 PM

Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote:

Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part.
There's always one or two.

And you presume to know the majority view?

ke'la · 05-25-2010, 12:34 AM

erin wrote:

Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote:
Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part.
There's always one or two.
And you presume to know the majority view?

Don't you know the first rule of forums, the Majority view is always the one from wich the current poster is supporting. SMILEY

MurFalad · 05-25-2010, 07:19 AM

Ocello wrote:

Rothgar wrote:
It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.
How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional?
I'll buy your reasoning is to make players unlock content, but cmon "overwhelming new players" is kind of lame. It doesnt hurt them at all to simply ignore the appearance tab, so it doesn't make sense that it could overwhelm them

I can understand the reasoning, just imagine a new player who accidently moves the slots to the appearance tab and then starts adding in extra gear SMILEY

I'm not that bothered myself but for things like this though it would work if veteran players started new characters with these sorts of options disabled, although it depends what then qualifies for a veteran, certainly someone who reaches level 50 I would guess.

Nightshade · 05-25-2010, 07:23 AM

erin wrote:

Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote:
Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part.
There's always one or two.
And you presume to know the majority view?

I can count posts, yes.

Can you?

Brigh · 05-25-2010, 09:14 AM

There used to be a time in EQ 1 days when you KNEW who the raiders were with the special Velious armor textures and you would go ooooh aaaaah and inspect them. Now everyone can look how they want with what ever obtainable gear they can find on the broker after 20. The specialness of looks, obtain-ability, etc has faded.

Cusashorn · 05-25-2010, 09:24 AM

I kinda wished I could go back to wearing my newbie monk gi when I created a monk for Frostfang Sea. The new "Northern" armor appearance they designed for the zone is nice and all, but there is ONLY ONE APPEARANCE for all the leather armor my monk had aquired from 1 to 20.

It was nice to upgrade the level 7 tunic with a level 16 tunic, but was pretty disappointed that it would just look the same as what I just had. I wanted the appearance slot so I could go back to looking like a monk.

05-20-2010, 11:03 PM	#4
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	Level 20 so it feels like an acheivement, a priviledge granted instead of just a gimmie. __________________

05-21-2010, 12:33 AM	#7
Ocello Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East TN Posts: 464	Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional? I'll buy your reasoning is to make players unlock content, but cmon "overwhelming new players" is kind of lame. It doesnt hurt them at all to simply ignore the appearance tab, so it doesn't make sense that it could overwhelm them

05-21-2010, 01:01 AM	#8
kelesia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 290	does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious! __________________

05-21-2010, 01:16 AM	#9
thephantomposter Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 573	Lillya@Antonia Bayle wrote: does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious! yes

05-21-2010, 02:16 AM	#10
Nightshade Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 314	Time sink. The only answer you need for 8/10 of the questions you might have. Good game design has many time sinks, some subtle and some blatant, without putting people over the edge. Everquest 2 is pretty good at keeping the "Just one more level. . ." syndrom going. Not criticising, just pointing out the obvious. __________________

05-20-2010, 08:53 PM	#1
Ocello Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East TN Posts: 464	Ok seriously, give me a reason why you have to wait till level 20 to use appearance gear? I know you get to 20 pretty quickly, but I was just dinking around on a lvl 7 alt.... Seriously I'm wearing a lvl 1 robe instead of plate armor just for looks. Yeah I'm carebear, but what the heck. Gimme a reason

05-20-2010, 08:59 PM	#2
Crickett Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 445	Because

05-20-2010, 10:25 PM	#3
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	Yeah! So... there!

05-20-2010, 11:26 PM	#5
Skywarrior Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 726	/facepalm

05-20-2010, 11:55 PM	#6
Rothgar Developer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,273	It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players.

05-21-2010, 02:51 AM	#11
Jrral Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,610	Ocello wrote: How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional? Yes it's optional. But think about a new player confronted with an inventory screen with not one but two places to put every item. I'd say there's about a 50-50 chance they'll start putting gear in the appearance slot, which'll result in them getting killed on a regular basis for no apparent reason.

05-21-2010, 07:15 AM	#12
Arauka_Gurtha Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4	Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character.

05-21-2010, 07:25 AM	#13
Aldhissla Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 156	I don't want lowbies running around in too flashy armour. __________________ Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

05-21-2010, 08:14 AM	#14
Nightshade Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 314	Arauka_Gurtha wrote: Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character. I would love to see a developer response to this. And of course we know it's possible to have level dependant account flags, because of the XP bonus given to accounts with a max level character. I like this suggestion. __________________

05-21-2010, 08:25 AM	#15
erin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,834	Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote: Arauka_Gurtha wrote: Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character. I would love to see a developer response to this. And of course we know it's possible to have level dependant account flags, because of the XP bonus given to accounts with a max level character. I like this suggestion. The other side of this question is, is it really worth developers time and effort? Sure there's level lockers, but I don't know a lot that spend months below level 20. Is it worth the time? I would say no.

05-21-2010, 08:32 AM	#16
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	I have a level 4 toon on another server soley to assist in decorating a gh for a friend. SHe'd be level 1 but I ran her to TD to get the stuffed fish. WHen the free armbands came in, I got her a set and bam bam bam kept trying to put the darn things into my appearance slot. Took me forever to realize it was cause I was an itty bit. I don't mind waiting until 20 but also wouldn't mind if it got changed. __________________

05-21-2010, 01:26 PM	#17
xeyda Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 272	thephantomposter wrote: Lillya@Antonia Bayle wrote: does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious! yes When did this get changed? It didn't used to unlock appearance slots, or surnames, at 20 TS if you were under 20 ADV.

05-21-2010, 01:51 PM	#18
Roslyn Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 191	I like it at lvl 20, because it does make you work for something, and it's a very small requirement. If it's an alt you plan on playing, you'll get to 20 in no time. I like that you have to look silly for a short while before able to put on the awesome achievements gear hehe. I'd much rather have time put into appearance mounts... __________________

05-21-2010, 01:55 PM	#19
Nightshade Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 314	Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part. There's always one or two. __________________

05-21-2010, 03:38 PM	#20
Gladiolus Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 873	Ocello wrote: why lvl 20 for appearance slots? So we don't have level 1s crying about not being able to find enough black clothing. At level 12, I didn't like the robe I'd need to wear if I wanted decent stats, so I went and crafted to level 20, which I would have needed sooner or later anyway, so I could keep my old robe for appearance.

05-21-2010, 04:39 PM	#21
Ocello Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East TN Posts: 464	Gladiolus wrote: Ocello wrote: why lvl 20 for appearance slots? So we don't have level 1s crying about not being able to find enough black clothing. bwahaha you got me, THIS is the real answer. Thanks mate.

05-21-2010, 06:42 PM	#22
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	Lexander@Antonia Bayle wrote: thephantomposter wrote: Lillya@Antonia Bayle wrote: does appearance gear unlock at 20 tradeskiller if you aren't a 20 adventurer? just curious! yes When did this get changed? It didn't used to unlock appearance slots, or surnames, at 20 TS if you were under 20 ADV. Never changed, it has always been there for as long as the feature has. If either ever got "changed" it was in beta testing (of the game for surname and of appearance slots for when those first went in). __________________

05-21-2010, 06:53 PM	#23
Rothgar Developer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,273	Ocello wrote: Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional? I'll buy your reasoning is to make players unlock content, but cmon "overwhelming new players" is kind of lame. It doesnt hurt them at all to simply ignore the appearance tab, so it doesn't make sense that it could overwhelm them Sure it does. New players don't know what is optional and what isn't until they take the time to figure out what something is. The fact that you throw that feature in their face makes them say "What is this appearance thing?" And if they choose to ignore it, there's that nagging feeling that maybe they are missing out on something or doing something wrong. If they do take the time to figure out what it is, it slows down getting to the other stuff. So whether or not something is optional has nothing to do with how many bells and whistles you display to someone at once. It would be like throwing someone in the cockpit of a 747 when they've never flown a plane before. Have you seen how many switches and buttons are in those things? Learning in a Cessna is much easier, then you show them how to adjust the hydraulic pressure after they've figured out to adjust the throttle. Darn, there I go with analogies again.

05-21-2010, 06:55 PM	#24
Rothgar Developer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,273	Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote: Arauka_Gurtha wrote: Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. Then I would imagine that having a flag so that if they have one level 20 character on their account, they are able to do many of these "overwhelming features" so they don't have to do it on each character. I would love to see a developer response to this. And of course we know it's possible to have level dependant account flags, because of the XP bonus given to accounts with a max level character. I like this suggestion. Yep, that's certainly an option and something we could consider. But at that point we are opening a can of worms and would need to answer the question when people ask why we don't go back and do that to the other bazillion features in EQ2.

05-21-2010, 10:29 PM	#25
erin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,834	Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote: Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part. There's always one or two. And you presume to know the majority view?

05-25-2010, 12:34 AM	#26
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	erin wrote: Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote: Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part. There's always one or two. And you presume to know the majority view? Don't you know the first rule of forums, the Majority view is always the one from wich the current poster is supporting. __________________

05-25-2010, 07:19 AM	#27
MurFalad Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Tonbridge, UK Posts: 1,360	Ocello wrote: Rothgar wrote: It was mainly about trying to unlock game features a little at a time so new players aren't overwhelmed with a billion different options from level 1. I can see where you might disagree with this mentality but I certainly think the point is valid. EQII has a ton of features and amazing amounts of depth and that can be a little overwhelming to new players. How can you be overwhelmed by something that is 100% optional? I'll buy your reasoning is to make players unlock content, but cmon "overwhelming new players" is kind of lame. It doesnt hurt them at all to simply ignore the appearance tab, so it doesn't make sense that it could overwhelm them I can understand the reasoning, just imagine a new player who accidently moves the slots to the appearance tab and then starts adding in extra gear I'm not that bothered myself but for things like this though it would work if veteran players started new characters with these sorts of options disabled, although it depends what then qualifies for a veteran, certainly someone who reaches level 50 I would guess.

05-25-2010, 07:23 AM	#28
Nightshade Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 314	erin wrote: Nightshade@Lucan DLere wrote: Contrarian: a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority view prevalent in the group of which they are a part. There's always one or two. And you presume to know the majority view? I can count posts, yes. Can you? __________________

05-25-2010, 09:14 AM	#29
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	There used to be a time in EQ 1 days when you KNEW who the raiders were with the special Velious armor textures and you would go ooooh aaaaah and inspect them. Now everyone can look how they want with what ever obtainable gear they can find on the broker after 20. The specialness of looks, obtain-ability, etc has faded. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

05-25-2010, 09:24 AM	#30
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	I kinda wished I could go back to wearing my newbie monk gi when I created a monk for Frostfang Sea. The new "Northern" armor appearance they designed for the zone is nice and all, but there is ONLY ONE APPEARANCE for all the leather armor my monk had aquired from 1 to 20. It was nice to upgrade the level 7 tunic with a level 16 tunic, but was pretty disappointed that it would just look the same as what I just had. I wanted the appearance slot so I could go back to looking like a monk.