Guk, Erudin, and Paineel

Bionickai001 · 05-17-2010, 10:39 PM

I'm a little low in level, so I haven't been able to explore this content. I'm interested in the current state of Guk, Erudin, and Paineel. What state are they in and why did this happen? Is there any major event that occurred?

Cusashorn · 05-17-2010, 10:54 PM

Well, what do you know about how they used to be like?

The evil presence in Guk that turned the frogloks into the undead has more or less taken over all of Guk. The undead warlord Ykesha has his stronghold there with his forces of undead trolls and frogloks. The frogloks of Tupta are investigating what is going on inside, but most of the quests just result in finding out what happened to the previous parties that went inside but never came out. I can't really say there's all that much of a storyline involving Guk... at least not what I could find out, and I've done all the quests inside all 3 instances.

Erudin has been taken over by the Void. A corrupted Erudite named El'Urad intentionally miscalculated the teleportation experiments that the Erudins decided to join together in order to build a new Nexus for teleportation around Norrath. He claims he didn't know that the Nexus on Luclin was still active, so the experiment sent the entire continent into the Ulteran realm, a dimension caught between the Void and Norrath. Now the entire continent is litterally being pulled apart between the Void and the Underfoot. If either side ever managed to completely envelop Odus, all of Norrath will be at risk of destruction.

That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.

Zabjade · 05-18-2010, 12:08 AM

You forgot the Underfoot being the other force working on Odus (at least the parts pulled into Ulteran I) so it's probably in a 2 to 3 way dimensional legrange point. Paineel however is a viberant city full of refugees as well as natives, well Paineel III anyway. Once you use the Spires to go to Odus it's just a short hop by teleport pad and is non-aggro to all unless you like killing guards to lower faction.

Cusashorn · 05-18-2010, 12:45 AM

I mentioned the Underfoot...

Zabjade · 05-18-2010, 02:34 AM

So you did, forgot Paineel though SMILEY

Cusashorn · 05-18-2010, 10:50 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.

Jaremai · 05-18-2010, 12:41 PM

Yeh but what about Guk?

*poke*

Zabjade · 05-18-2010, 02:40 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.

That's more of a passing Mention then true information.

Garnaf · 05-18-2010, 02:46 PM

and, uhh, the High Scholar Primarch is El'Arad, not El'Urad... >.> Just thought I'd point that out

Cusashorn · 05-18-2010, 03:11 PM

Zabjade wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
Cusashorn wrote:
That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.
That's more of a passing Mention then true information.

I mentioned it, which is what you said I didn't. What more do I need to say about it?

Zabjade · 05-18-2010, 04:11 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

Zabjade wrote:
Cusashorn wrote:
Cusashorn wrote:
That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.
That's more of a passing Mention then true information.
I mentioned it, which is what you said I didn't. What more do I need to say about it?

This is the lore forum, you must expound! SMILEY Otherwise you have not truely mentioned it

Seriously, the mention was short enough that it was easily missed, even when rereading it.

Iskandar · 05-18-2010, 05:11 PM

Cusa, I think what they mean is that your assignment is to write a 5,000 word thesis on the changes to Paineel and Odus between EQ1 pre-PoP and EQ2 SF. Include documentation and reference, maybe with a handy index at the end. Oh! And use some pretty pictures. In color! Yeah! Cause us Kerrans like pretty pictures

Zabjade · 05-18-2010, 06:08 PM

Iskandar wrote:

Cusa, I think what they mean is that your assignment is to write a 5,000 word thesis on the changes to Paineel and Odus between EQ1 pre-PoP and EQ2 SF. Include documentation and reference, maybe with a handy index at the end. Oh! And use some pretty pictures. In color! Yeah! Cause us Kerrans like pretty pictures

EXACTALY!

Bionickai001 · 05-18-2010, 08:18 PM

Thanks, Cusashorn. I knew about the void/underfoot thing but I've never heard exactly what happened to Erudin. Erudites becoming the void's slaves.... that seems unfortunate, but of course a continent teleporting into another dimension is unfortunate. As for Guk, its a shame there isn't much more info, but is Tupta merely an outpost and not really a village?

More questions: who is el'arad and what is he doing? Also, I've seen it stated that because of the explorer's actions, the hold that the void has on Odus weakens. What happened? Was it the defeat of El'Arad or Roehn Theer?

Frain · 05-19-2010, 06:53 AM

El'Arad was leader of the high council of erudin (or something like that) and used his power to weaken erudins defence so the void could take over.

With the help of the lich Fyr'remd Lorak (kerafyrm), Theers has been defeated and Lucan saved. And when the force from the void is removed from odus the underfoot now risk sucking up both odus and the void which is what the next LU is about..

Oh, and Al'Kabor is kinda alive again;D

Rainmare · 05-19-2010, 08:34 AM

Yes, we adventures were once again Dragonic pawns.

El'Arad worked for Theer, the 'Grand Seraph' as he called him...and we defeat Theer himself, with the help of Lorak aka Kerafyrm....who uses the same type ritual we used on our mythical weapons on Exonus and Aeteok...making him even more powerful then he was before..infinitely so.

what you learn in Guk is indeed really just that the Curse has consumed the place...although, I beleive one of the quests in the entry guk zone indicated that the final named was using a crystal to fend off the curses effect on thier intelligence, kind of giving them a ghoulish free will. but that was really all that gets said.

Tupta is indeed a city. Guk is lost, Grobb is still the Trolls, so they made Tupta.

As to the tug of war and the new Underfoot raid zone...the idea is that the Void's hold was weakened, but not destroyed...but weakened more then enough to give the underfoot the winning advantage. Master Yael, however, just to make absolutely sure about things, wants to conquer Odus and kill everything on it...and since he's kind of the official guardian of the Underfoot plane, he has all that planes power to back him up.

of course the place I want to get to most, and I'm hoping we will eventually, is the Farsian Nexus chamber itself. considering the workers around the area report hearing voices and counds coming fomr the sealed door, even though most the scholars there agree that nothing should have been able to survive being at ground zero of the Feedback.

KniteShayd · 05-19-2010, 08:46 AM

To answer your question about Erudin:

It still exists, but is a destroyed and corrupted remnant of what it once was. When El'Arad built the new spires he intentionally misguided the Erudites so that he could bring the Void to Norrath. Erudin and Paineel both worked together to bring the dream of a new Nexus and Spire Network to fruition. They didn't not know of El'Arad's traitorous designs and when they finished and tried to power it up, it was too late. The void breeched Erudin (where the nexus was based since El'Arad was originally a good Erudite).

Many people were lost, including what remained of the Deepwater Knights, trying to defend the city and it's people. Those who survived, fled to Paineel, which is now the main city. As stated before, both factions (Paineel/Erudin) Put aside their differences to work together for their mutual survival against their new enemy.

Erudin is now filled with those who were left behind.

Rainmare · 05-19-2010, 08:54 AM

actually, the Nexus was built in Quel'ule, a city they built as 'neutral ground' for them to work on thier joint project.

El'Arad was in charge of the High Council, and disbanded the high guard. when he was confronted on it, he and many of the memebers of the council he corrupted called on thier Shadowedmen allies to solidify thier control on Erudin...resulting ultimately in the massacare in Erudin Palace, and the remnant so fhe the deepwater knights finding/founding the pavillion.

those that made it out of Erudin during the evacuation by the deepwater knights before thier last stand did go to Paineel...and both Paineel and Quel'ule have cast aside all theological trappings in pursuit of knowledge. anyone left in Erudin was more then likely already corrupted/possessed at the time.

KniteShayd · 05-19-2010, 08:56 AM

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

Tupta is indeed a city. Guk is lost, Grobb is still the Trolls, so they made Tupta.

You mean Gukta was lost

Guk And Gukta were two totally different places. Gukta was the froglock starting city in EQ. Tupta is basically a tree city, kinda like Kelethin, but more the size of a village in comparison.

And to elaborate, the Trolls And Frogloks are also working together against the Void within a new base called Firmroot Moot, within Innothule Swamp. Their respective cities are still enemies, but many from both cities are looking at the bigger picture, and have put their differences aside to fight against the Void and the Broken Skull Pirates. The Survival Accord (faction of Firmroot) are basically seen as being foolish, or even treasonous, by the two cities.

GorgukGrimmfist · 05-20-2010, 11:21 PM

Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:
Tupta is indeed a city. Guk is lost, Grobb is still the Trolls, so they made Tupta.
You mean Gukta was lost
Guk And Gukta were two totally different places. Gukta was the froglock starting city in EQ. Tupta is basically a tree city, kinda like Kelethin, but more the size of a village in comparison.
And to elaborate, the Trolls And Frogloks are also working together against the Void within a new base called Firmroot Moot, within Innothule Swamp. Their respective cities are still enemies, but many from both cities are looking at the bigger picture, and have put their differences aside to fight against the Void and the Broken Skull Pirates. The Survival Accord (faction of Firmroot) are basically seen as being foolish, or even treasonous, by the two cities.

Gukta and Grobb are the same place in eq1. When Marr enlightened some of the froglocks, they kicked the trolls out of Grobb and formed a new city named Gutka. Gutka has now been reclaimed by the trolls, and renamed Grobb. I think the trolls actually took back Grobb in eq1, but it was after my time.

Cusashorn · 05-21-2010, 03:06 AM

Yeah, in EQlive, the trolls took Grobb back, but in EQ2, there honestly is NO EXPLANATION why the city even exists. Gukta was more than likely destroyed by war and the cataclysms, so did the Trolls just walk back and build a new city or something? There's really no actual lore or explanation.

Iskandar · 05-21-2010, 04:43 AM

It sorta fits with the existing lore... sorta... Guktans take Grobb, rename it Gukta... Trolls return with a Dark Elf army, take Gukta and rename it Grobb... again... Guktans flee to Lake Rathe and found a new home city there... Rending destroys their new home... some survivors are stranded in Feerrott and become snacks and slaves for one lizard or another... other survivors are stranded in Innothule and eventually build Tupta there, since the Trolls are still livin large in Grobb and since Guk is not a very nice place to visit, much less live... and somewhere along the line we stop calling them Guktans and go back to Froglok... like you said, it's pretty light on details, but it kinda sorta works...

Rainmare · 05-21-2010, 07:17 AM

actually I think it was explained in the Tome of Destiny. the Rallosian's hit Gukta first, and forced them to flee to Guk...which they found was worse off then they thought and thus they again moved to build Tupta. Though after that is anyone's guess.

Cusashorn · 05-21-2010, 12:56 PM

Yeah the Frogloks were forced out by the 2nd Rallosian War. The Trolls retaking Grobb only happened in EQlive's timeline after the split.

Iskandar · 05-21-2010, 03:41 PM

Oh doh! I totally forgot about that difference... I guess in my head I kinda linked the two events together

Bionickai001 · 05-21-2010, 06:59 PM

Thanks everyone, this has helped a lot. The reason why I've come back to EQ2 is due to the lore.

Question: What parts of the Rathe Mountains are represented in Moors of Ykesha?

Cusashorn · 05-21-2010, 08:35 PM

The quests just mention that the upper regions of Moors is part of the Rathe Mountains. That's all.

Iskandar · 05-22-2010, 12:22 AM

hehe! We were just talking about that over in the Looking for Information thread

Tyrus Dracofire · 05-22-2010, 04:54 PM

i wonder where is "oggok" the ogre city.

Cusashorn · 05-22-2010, 05:40 PM

I'm thinking that Oggok will probably be the only city we never actually get to revisit.

If you think about it, the Greenmist wouldn't simply spare any ogres living in the city just because they weren't directly involved in the war. I would think they would be wiped out. I've also heard that it was annihilated by both the Rending AND Shattering after that. The city used to be located right off of the Feerrott. I mean practically as part of it directly, so I don't think they can come up with a reason to just say it was hidden away by some previously unexplored region of that island. AT least with Darklight Woods, they explained that that part of Nektulos forest had changed enough to become it's own climate, and Neriak had to rebuild it's entrance and foreign quarter anyway.

I just don't see any way of them reintoducing it with a plausible explanation.

05-18-2010, 12:08 AM	#3
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	You forgot the Underfoot being the other force working on Odus (at least the parts pulled into Ulteran I) so it's probably in a 2 to 3 way dimensional legrange point. Paineel however is a viberant city full of refugees as well as natives, well Paineel III anyway. Once you use the Spires to go to Odus it's just a short hop by teleport pad and is non-aggro to all unless you like killing guards to lower faction. __________________

05-18-2010, 02:34 AM	#5
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	So you did, forgot Paineel though __________________

05-18-2010, 10:50 AM	#6
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Cusashorn wrote: That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.

05-18-2010, 02:40 PM	#8
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Cusashorn wrote: Cusashorn wrote: That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences. That's more of a passing Mention then true information. __________________

05-18-2010, 03:11 PM	#10
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Zabjade wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Cusashorn wrote: That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences. That's more of a passing Mention then true information. I mentioned it, which is what you said I didn't. What more do I need to say about it?

05-17-2010, 10:39 PM	#1
Bionickai001 Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 27	I'm a little low in level, so I haven't been able to explore this content. I'm interested in the current state of Guk, Erudin, and Paineel. What state are they in and why did this happen? Is there any major event that occurred?

05-17-2010, 10:54 PM	#2
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Well, what do you know about how they used to be like? The evil presence in Guk that turned the frogloks into the undead has more or less taken over all of Guk. The undead warlord Ykesha has his stronghold there with his forces of undead trolls and frogloks. The frogloks of Tupta are investigating what is going on inside, but most of the quests just result in finding out what happened to the previous parties that went inside but never came out. I can't really say there's all that much of a storyline involving Guk... at least not what I could find out, and I've done all the quests inside all 3 instances. Erudin has been taken over by the Void. A corrupted Erudite named El'Urad intentionally miscalculated the teleportation experiments that the Erudins decided to join together in order to build a new Nexus for teleportation around Norrath. He claims he didn't know that the Nexus on Luclin was still active, so the experiment sent the entire continent into the Ulteran realm, a dimension caught between the Void and Norrath. Now the entire continent is litterally being pulled apart between the Void and the Underfoot. If either side ever managed to completely envelop Odus, all of Norrath will be at risk of destruction. That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences.

05-18-2010, 12:45 AM	#4
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	I mentioned the Underfoot...

05-18-2010, 12:41 PM	#7
Jaremai Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,271	Yeh but what about Guk? poke

05-18-2010, 02:46 PM	#9
Garnaf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 431	and, uhh, the High Scholar Primarch is El'Arad, not El'Urad... >.> Just thought I'd point that out

05-18-2010, 04:11 PM	#11
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Cusashorn wrote: Zabjade wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Cusashorn wrote: That said, the Erudites who live in Erudin are happily working for the Void, all of them corrupted. Everyone else banded together into Paineel and have decided to spend the rest of their time studying knowledge instead of fighting each other over religious differences. That's more of a passing Mention then true information. I mentioned it, which is what you said I didn't. What more do I need to say about it? This is the lore forum, you must expound! Otherwise you have not truely mentioned it Seriously, the mention was short enough that it was easily missed, even when rereading it. __________________

05-18-2010, 05:11 PM	#12
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	Cusa, I think what they mean is that your assignment is to write a 5,000 word thesis on the changes to Paineel and Odus between EQ1 pre-PoP and EQ2 SF. Include documentation and reference, maybe with a handy index at the end. Oh! And use some pretty pictures. In color! Yeah! Cause us Kerrans like pretty pictures

05-18-2010, 06:08 PM	#13
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Iskandar wrote: Cusa, I think what they mean is that your assignment is to write a 5,000 word thesis on the changes to Paineel and Odus between EQ1 pre-PoP and EQ2 SF. Include documentation and reference, maybe with a handy index at the end. Oh! And use some pretty pictures. In color! Yeah! Cause us Kerrans like pretty pictures EXACTALY! __________________

05-18-2010, 08:18 PM	#14
Bionickai001 Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 27	Thanks, Cusashorn. I knew about the void/underfoot thing but I've never heard exactly what happened to Erudin. Erudites becoming the void's slaves.... that seems unfortunate, but of course a continent teleporting into another dimension is unfortunate. As for Guk, its a shame there isn't much more info, but is Tupta merely an outpost and not really a village? More questions: who is el'arad and what is he doing? Also, I've seen it stated that because of the explorer's actions, the hold that the void has on Odus weakens. What happened? Was it the defeat of El'Arad or Roehn Theer?

05-19-2010, 06:53 AM	#15
Frain Server: Splitpaw Guild: Holy Grail Rank: Raider Alts & Recruits Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 171	El'Arad was leader of the high council of erudin (or something like that) and used his power to weaken erudins defence so the void could take over. With the help of the lich Fyr'remd Lorak (kerafyrm), Theers has been defeated and Lucan saved. And when the force from the void is removed from odus the underfoot now risk sucking up both odus and the void which is what the next LU is about.. Oh, and Al'Kabor is kinda alive again;D __________________

05-19-2010, 08:34 AM	#16
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	Yes, we adventures were once again Dragonic pawns. El'Arad worked for Theer, the 'Grand Seraph' as he called him...and we defeat Theer himself, with the help of Lorak aka Kerafyrm....who uses the same type ritual we used on our mythical weapons on Exonus and Aeteok...making him even more powerful then he was before..infinitely so. what you learn in Guk is indeed really just that the Curse has consumed the place...although, I beleive one of the quests in the entry guk zone indicated that the final named was using a crystal to fend off the curses effect on thier intelligence, kind of giving them a ghoulish free will. but that was really all that gets said. Tupta is indeed a city. Guk is lost, Grobb is still the Trolls, so they made Tupta. As to the tug of war and the new Underfoot raid zone...the idea is that the Void's hold was weakened, but not destroyed...but weakened more then enough to give the underfoot the winning advantage. Master Yael, however, just to make absolutely sure about things, wants to conquer Odus and kill everything on it...and since he's kind of the official guardian of the Underfoot plane, he has all that planes power to back him up. of course the place I want to get to most, and I'm hoping we will eventually, is the Farsian Nexus chamber itself. considering the workers around the area report hearing voices and counds coming fomr the sealed door, even though most the scholars there agree that nothing should have been able to survive being at ground zero of the Feedback.

05-19-2010, 08:46 AM	#17
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	To answer your question about Erudin: It still exists, but is a destroyed and corrupted remnant of what it once was. When El'Arad built the new spires he intentionally misguided the Erudites so that he could bring the Void to Norrath. Erudin and Paineel both worked together to bring the dream of a new Nexus and Spire Network to fruition. They didn't not know of El'Arad's traitorous designs and when they finished and tried to power it up, it was too late. The void breeched Erudin (where the nexus was based since El'Arad was originally a good Erudite). Many people were lost, including what remained of the Deepwater Knights, trying to defend the city and it's people. Those who survived, fled to Paineel, which is now the main city. As stated before, both factions (Paineel/Erudin) Put aside their differences to work together for their mutual survival against their new enemy. Erudin is now filled with those who were left behind.

05-19-2010, 08:54 AM	#18
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	actually, the Nexus was built in Quel'ule, a city they built as 'neutral ground' for them to work on thier joint project. El'Arad was in charge of the High Council, and disbanded the high guard. when he was confronted on it, he and many of the memebers of the council he corrupted called on thier Shadowedmen allies to solidify thier control on Erudin...resulting ultimately in the massacare in Erudin Palace, and the remnant so fhe the deepwater knights finding/founding the pavillion. those that made it out of Erudin during the evacuation by the deepwater knights before thier last stand did go to Paineel...and both Paineel and Quel'ule have cast aside all theological trappings in pursuit of knowledge. anyone left in Erudin was more then likely already corrupted/possessed at the time.

05-19-2010, 08:56 AM	#19
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	Rainmare@Oasis wrote: Tupta is indeed a city. Guk is lost, Grobb is still the Trolls, so they made Tupta. You mean Gukta was lost Guk And Gukta were two totally different places. Gukta was the froglock starting city in EQ. Tupta is basically a tree city, kinda like Kelethin, but more the size of a village in comparison. And to elaborate, the Trolls And Frogloks are also working together against the Void within a new base called Firmroot Moot, within Innothule Swamp. Their respective cities are still enemies, but many from both cities are looking at the bigger picture, and have put their differences aside to fight against the Void and the Broken Skull Pirates. The Survival Accord (faction of Firmroot) are basically seen as being foolish, or even treasonous, by the two cities.

05-20-2010, 11:21 PM	#20
GorgukGrimmfist Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 136	Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote: Rainmare@Oasis wrote: Tupta is indeed a city. Guk is lost, Grobb is still the Trolls, so they made Tupta. You mean Gukta was lost Guk And Gukta were two totally different places. Gukta was the froglock starting city in EQ. Tupta is basically a tree city, kinda like Kelethin, but more the size of a village in comparison. And to elaborate, the Trolls And Frogloks are also working together against the Void within a new base called Firmroot Moot, within Innothule Swamp. Their respective cities are still enemies, but many from both cities are looking at the bigger picture, and have put their differences aside to fight against the Void and the Broken Skull Pirates. The Survival Accord (faction of Firmroot) are basically seen as being foolish, or even treasonous, by the two cities. Gukta and Grobb are the same place in eq1. When Marr enlightened some of the froglocks, they kicked the trolls out of Grobb and formed a new city named Gutka. Gutka has now been reclaimed by the trolls, and renamed Grobb. I think the trolls actually took back Grobb in eq1, but it was after my time.

05-21-2010, 03:06 AM	#21
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Yeah, in EQlive, the trolls took Grobb back, but in EQ2, there honestly is NO EXPLANATION why the city even exists. Gukta was more than likely destroyed by war and the cataclysms, so did the Trolls just walk back and build a new city or something? There's really no actual lore or explanation.

05-21-2010, 04:43 AM	#22
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	It sorta fits with the existing lore... sorta... Guktans take Grobb, rename it Gukta... Trolls return with a Dark Elf army, take Gukta and rename it Grobb... again... Guktans flee to Lake Rathe and found a new home city there... Rending destroys their new home... some survivors are stranded in Feerrott and become snacks and slaves for one lizard or another... other survivors are stranded in Innothule and eventually build Tupta there, since the Trolls are still livin large in Grobb and since Guk is not a very nice place to visit, much less live... and somewhere along the line we stop calling them Guktans and go back to Froglok... like you said, it's pretty light on details, but it kinda sorta works...

05-21-2010, 07:17 AM	#23
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	actually I think it was explained in the Tome of Destiny. the Rallosian's hit Gukta first, and forced them to flee to Guk...which they found was worse off then they thought and thus they again moved to build Tupta. Though after that is anyone's guess.

05-21-2010, 12:56 PM	#24
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Yeah the Frogloks were forced out by the 2nd Rallosian War. The Trolls retaking Grobb only happened in EQlive's timeline after the split.

05-21-2010, 03:41 PM	#25
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	Oh doh! I totally forgot about that difference... I guess in my head I kinda linked the two events together

05-21-2010, 06:59 PM	#26
Bionickai001 Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 27	Thanks everyone, this has helped a lot. The reason why I've come back to EQ2 is due to the lore. Question: What parts of the Rathe Mountains are represented in Moors of Ykesha?

05-21-2010, 08:35 PM	#27
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	The quests just mention that the upper regions of Moors is part of the Rathe Mountains. That's all.

05-22-2010, 12:22 AM	#28
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	hehe! We were just talking about that over in the Looking for Information thread

05-22-2010, 04:54 PM	#29
Tyrus Dracofire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,274	i wonder where is "oggok" the ogre city.

05-22-2010, 05:40 PM	#30
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	I'm thinking that Oggok will probably be the only city we never actually get to revisit. If you think about it, the Greenmist wouldn't simply spare any ogres living in the city just because they weren't directly involved in the war. I would think they would be wiped out. I've also heard that it was annihilated by both the Rending AND Shattering after that. The city used to be located right off of the Feerrott. I mean practically as part of it directly, so I don't think they can come up with a reason to just say it was hidden away by some previously unexplored region of that island. AT least with Darklight Woods, they explained that that part of Nektulos forest had changed enough to become it's own climate, and Neriak had to rebuild it's entrance and foreign quarter anyway. I just don't see any way of them reintoducing it with a plausible explanation.