Mitigation vs Crit mit

Adegx · 04-20-2010, 01:47 PM

So we find ourselfs in a kinda unquie situation. Our MT doesn't have alot of the tso stuff. Therefore he lacks the all important critical mitigation. He can easily gear up with fabled from battlegrounds/ t9 but very few of what he has access to has crit mit.

Since my guild is still raiding tso stuff, Which is better, Having higher mitigation and almost no crit mit? Or giving up considerable mit for crit mit?

Nulgara · 04-20-2010, 03:35 PM

ild go with give up some mit and get some crit mit.

it sounds counter productive but its not. for tso and sf its all about the crit mit really. the mobs regular hits are weak in comparison to the stuff that crits.

if you have a lvl 90 raid force of at least 12 folks run woe for him once and he will walk out fo there with a full set of t3 which alone will give him like 40% crit mit i think it is. jsut make sure the rest of your raid has the right people not having their t3 in their bags or on them to force the patterns for your mt's class to drop. weve done it for alts a lot. matter of fact 2 nights ago we geared out a coercer in full t3 in about an hour and 15 minutes.

crit mit is very important. the bg fabled stuff isnt gonna help you in raids its jsut not designed for that.

without that crit mit your healers are prolyl having huge issues with managing spike dmg and your mt is prolly burning specials like mad to stay alive. get him som crit mit and a those issues start to dwindle fast.

Ambrin · 04-20-2010, 06:26 PM

A lot of the easy mobs do not require much (if any) crit mit. Even with no / minimal crit mit gear he should be able to tank the easy mode Toxxulia, and the first 2-3 bosses in Palace and Labs as long as his gear is at least decent (around SF heroic level).

This should allow you to start getting some decent gear with crit mit.

Other than that, the harder SF heroic zones do have some excellent gear that has some crit mit on it, there is also WoE and various other easy T8 raid targets from TSO that could be done to pick up some crit mit. Some T8 content (such as Zarrakon) still has very good gear that is still useful in T9.

Landiin · 04-20-2010, 06:42 PM

Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:

A lot of the easy mobs do not require much (if any) crit mit. Even with no / minimal crit mit gear he should be able to tank the easy mode Toxxulia, and the first 2-3 bosses in Palace and Labs as long as his gear is at least decent (around SF heroic level).
This should allow you to start getting some decent gear with crit mit.
Other than that, the harder SF heroic zones do have some excellent gear that has some crit mit on it, there is also WoE and various other easy T8 raid targets from TSO that could be done to pick up some crit mit. Some T8 content (such as Zarrakon) still has very good gear that is still useful in T9.

I agree here, I had all these marks in my bags so decided to just spend them and see. Before I was all T8.3 and I think 4 T8.4 items. I switch out to all T9 leg left and right side and I notice the inc dmg is not near as high as it was in the T8 gear even though my displayed mit is down. Crit mit went from 50ish to 30ish YIKES, I'll be testing it on raid mobs tonight and see how the inc dmg is in the T9 leg vs the T8 stuff I had.

knightofround · 04-30-2010, 07:25 AM

Yeah for raid mobs the answer isn't even close. Give up regular mit in favor of crit mit.

With good buffs, even with crappy gear anybody can jack up their regular mit deep into diminishing returns.

However, buffs that increase crit mit are incredibly rare...and crit mit does not suffer from diminishing returns like regular mit does.

Typically the thing that kills MTs this expansion are the many AEs that are coded to do incredible amounts of damage if the target is within the frontal 5 meter radius, and then do much less damage to everyone in the rear arch and further away from the mob. Most of these AEs are not trauma based, so mit wouldn't have much of an impact upon them anyway.

Autoattack and trauma AEs are not nearly as big a concern as they were in previous expansions. Sure, there's a few mobs that do have some pretty beast ones...but they are the exceptions, not the rule.

04-20-2010, 03:35 PM	#2
Nulgara Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Prophecy of Runes Rank: Council Member Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 233	ild go with give up some mit and get some crit mit. it sounds counter productive but its not. for tso and sf its all about the crit mit really. the mobs regular hits are weak in comparison to the stuff that crits. if you have a lvl 90 raid force of at least 12 folks run woe for him once and he will walk out fo there with a full set of t3 which alone will give him like 40% crit mit i think it is. jsut make sure the rest of your raid has the right people not having their t3 in their bags or on them to force the patterns for your mt's class to drop. weve done it for alts a lot. matter of fact 2 nights ago we geared out a coercer in full t3 in about an hour and 15 minutes. crit mit is very important. the bg fabled stuff isnt gonna help you in raids its jsut not designed for that. without that crit mit your healers are prolyl having huge issues with managing spike dmg and your mt is prolly burning specials like mad to stay alive. get him som crit mit and a those issues start to dwindle fast. __________________ Nalgara - Beastlord Maahes - SK Seyn - Monk Nulgara - Necromancer Ashys - Defiler Lorrn - Warlock

04-20-2010, 06:26 PM	#3
Ambrin Server: Nagafen Guild: Illuminati Rank: Members Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 391	A lot of the easy mobs do not require much (if any) crit mit. Even with no / minimal crit mit gear he should be able to tank the easy mode Toxxulia, and the first 2-3 bosses in Palace and Labs as long as his gear is at least decent (around SF heroic level). This should allow you to start getting some decent gear with crit mit. Other than that, the harder SF heroic zones do have some excellent gear that has some crit mit on it, there is also WoE and various other easy T8 raid targets from TSO that could be done to pick up some crit mit. Some T8 content (such as Zarrakon) still has very good gear that is still useful in T9. __________________ ___________________________ Ambrin - 92 Monk / 92 Tailor / 320 AA Ambryn - 92 Dirge / 320 AA Visjeer - 92 Necromancer Oryn - 90 Inquisitor

04-20-2010, 06:42 PM	#4
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	Ambrin@Nagafen wrote: A lot of the easy mobs do not require much (if any) crit mit. Even with no / minimal crit mit gear he should be able to tank the easy mode Toxxulia, and the first 2-3 bosses in Palace and Labs as long as his gear is at least decent (around SF heroic level). This should allow you to start getting some decent gear with crit mit. Other than that, the harder SF heroic zones do have some excellent gear that has some crit mit on it, there is also WoE and various other easy T8 raid targets from TSO that could be done to pick up some crit mit. Some T8 content (such as Zarrakon) still has very good gear that is still useful in T9. I agree here, I had all these marks in my bags so decided to just spend them and see. Before I was all T8.3 and I think 4 T8.4 items. I switch out to all T9 leg left and right side and I notice the inc dmg is not near as high as it was in the T8 gear even though my displayed mit is down. Crit mit went from 50ish to 30ish YIKES, I'll be testing it on raid mobs tonight and see how the inc dmg is in the T9 leg vs the T8 stuff I had. __________________

04-20-2010, 01:47 PM	#1
Adegx Server: Permafrost Guild: League of the Extraordinary Rank: KNIGHTS Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 276	So we find ourselfs in a kinda unquie situation. Our MT doesn't have alot of the tso stuff. Therefore he lacks the all important critical mitigation. He can easily gear up with fabled from battlegrounds/ t9 but very few of what he has access to has crit mit. Since my guild is still raiding tso stuff, Which is better, Having higher mitigation and almost no crit mit? Or giving up considerable mit for crit mit?

04-30-2010, 07:25 AM	#5
knightofround Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 289	Yeah for raid mobs the answer isn't even close. Give up regular mit in favor of crit mit. With good buffs, even with crappy gear anybody can jack up their regular mit deep into diminishing returns. However, buffs that increase crit mit are incredibly rare...and crit mit does not suffer from diminishing returns like regular mit does. Typically the thing that kills MTs this expansion are the many AEs that are coded to do incredible amounts of damage if the target is within the frontal 5 meter radius, and then do much less damage to everyone in the rear arch and further away from the mob. Most of these AEs are not trauma based, so mit wouldn't have much of an impact upon them anyway. Autoattack and trauma AEs are not nearly as big a concern as they were in previous expansions. Sure, there's a few mobs that do have some pretty beast ones...but they are the exceptions, not the rule.