Player ID # sould change after using Potion of Amnesia

[Pahb]

One of the biggest flaws of the Potion of AMnesia, although life saving, is that after you change your name your player ID remains the same. So if a player searchs your old name, they are directed to your new name. This has cost me significant amount of cash.  I have HAD to buy 3 name changes because of this flaw. I changed my name so many times because of certain forums that like to spread rumors and/or"flame"a player, for enjoying roleplay/feedom of character specs/having lots of playtime... etc   Also, a feature that can block specific unwanted players from trying to veiw your page. Let me know what everyone thinks about these changes, how they can be positive and negative

[Kordran]

You earn your reputation, good or bad. The name change potions are there for people who don't like their name, not those who want to escape the consequences of poor (or ridiculous) behavior. That said, your player ID will change if you transfer servers, so if you really want a clean slate, change your name and move to a different server. And then try not repeating the behavior that earned you such a poor reputation on your previous server.

[Pahb]

Kordran wrote:

You earn your reputation, good or bad. The name change potions are there for people who don't like their name, not those who want to escape the consequences of poor (or ridiculous) behavior. That said, your player ID will change if you transfer servers, so if you really want a clean slate, change your name and move to a different server. And then try not repeating the behavior that earned you such a poor reputation on your previous server.

  First, reputation is meaningless when people base it off negative opinions. Second, this has nothing to do with my suggestion. SoE implimented the protection kit for players for all reasons. I personaly changed my name for alot of reasons, mainly because i wanted to. But this reponse doesnt answer either question i purposed. I only used my story as a guide to why it would be a positive change.  Positive..  change... Dare it be possible..? We all have our own opinions of how players "should" behave. Not everyone shares the bias one.

  The point of this thread was intended suggest a few ideas. Please try to be more on the subject of how the change would be positive/negative and not on why people change there name.

[Barx]

That seems like a bad idea to have that happen automatically. Maybe there should be a way for CS to do it in case of actual griefing, but it shouldn't be automatic with the potion, it's for more than changing your name for your "protection." 

That and honestly your reputation is your reputation. There is usually a grain of truth in something, so if you're having to constantly change your name then maybe you should look into the source of the problem rather than trying to put a bandaid on it. (After all, even if you change your PID people will still likely find out after not too long).

[Lleren]

Reputation tends to follow no matter what you do.   If you are being harrased by other players in or out of game perhaps you should contact SoE GM's.  I know of at least one player on my home server who recieved multiple name changes and eventually a complete character rebuild and likely a server transfer because of unrelenting harrrasment by a small group.  Yes he was outed on eq2flames.

There are of course two ( or more ) sides to any story, its quite possible that if they had used the petition system at various times that they could of had him suspended for his/her behaviour. 

With the online petition system I believe you can even include links to other websites.  Showing that other players are deliberately tracking you down and exposing your new identities on an out of game board may be of help.  Also forums posts tend to have a date as well and that may help show the duration of this harrasment.

If you stay on the same server you will be outed at some point, no matter what you try.  There are so many ways to "fingerprint" someone in game. 

[Pahb]

Noih@Kithicor wrote:

Reputation tends to follow no matter what you do.   If you are being harrased by other players in or out of game perhaps you should contact SoE GM's.  I know of at least one player on my home server who recieved multiple name changes and eventually a complete character rebuild and likely a server transfer because of unrelenting harrrasment by a small group.  Yes he was outed on eq2flames.

There are of course two ( or more ) sides to any story, its quite possible that if they had used the petition system at various times that they could of had him suspended for his/her behaviour. 

With the online petition system I believe you can even include links to other websites.  Showing that other players are deliberately tracking you down and exposing your new identities on an out of game board may be of help.  Also forums posts tend to have a date as well and that may help show the duration of this harrasment.

If you stay on the same server you will be outed at some point, no matter what you try.  There are so many ways to "fingerprint" someone in game. 

Im not going to comment much on how and what led to my name changes, not in detail that is. I will say... that GM's know my story, and know my extreme appreciation for the kit. As far as my reputation, i refuse to comment on something based off ignorance and malice. I didnt intend this to about other sites, so let me rephrase my question.  Wouldnt it be a way to ensure the witness' protection? If not, why? Player ID # that is

 Also, the eq2flames is a touchy subject atm with soe. Nor relative to the forum. If you would like to discuss that site and its relation to my story please start a thread in a appropriate section. Maybe it would clear the air on all this contraversy.

[Barx]

Witness protection was just a clever name for the name-change potion, it's not meant to be a cure-all. And like we've said just changing your PID isn't going to solve all your problems.

[interstellarmatter]

If they changed the Player ID, it would encourage idiots to act a fool and change their names every few weeks.  I was against the change to begin with but with being able to follow the person with their old name...I can live with it.

If you have a personal issue in the game, deal with it.  Don't depend on Sony to deal with your personal problems.

[Pahb]

interstellarmatter wrote:

If they changed the Player ID, it would encourage idiots to act a fool and change their names every few weeks.(Roleplay much?)  I was against the change to begin with but with being able to follow the person with their old name...I can live with it.

If you have a personal issue in the game, deal with it.  Don't depend on Sony to deal with your personal problems. (SoE cares alot about there players)

 *shakes head* Seems everyone is missing the point of the thread. So i will start a new thread about my story in appropriate section. Since everyone seems to be very misinformed. yet so sure of my reasons for the name changes i had after first. Please, no more response here about why people change there name.  Lastly no matter what someones reputation is, I always base mine with presonal experience, no one elses.

[KFizzle]

And thus you may find the lulz of the Utility specced warlock of Nektulos.

I'd link Destriel's classic RaR on him from Flames (with plenty of logs and things) but flames is now blocked from work

[Destriel]

If the point of changing names is to hide from other people, I'm pretty sure changing the ID of your toon wouldn't actually let anyone hide at all.  Let me give you an example.  There's a guy who is quite well known on Nek (not naming names) who continually says things in public chat (70-79 and the like) that get him in to trouble with the player population.  He's called all the women on Nek the "b" word and said that he thinks the problem with Nek is that there are women playing on it.  He talks about how much he knows about EQ2 mechanics and ACT and is insistant about his beliefs, to the point of being rude, but is quite frequently wrong.  He even threatened to try to get my guild banned from EQ2 because he didn't like the fact that we were handing out free mythical updates to the general public, and threatened to knock my teeth in.  He has changed his name multiple times to try to hide, but every time he starts talking in public chat again everyone knows who he is.  Unless he changes his attitude at the same time as changing his name and actually becomes a decent guy, he can't really hide regardless of his name or his ID.

Pahblo - I always base my opinion of someone around my personal experience with them as well, well said.

[Kordran]

Destriel wrote:

If the point of changing names is to hide from other people, I'm pretty sure changing the ID of your toon wouldn't actually let anyone hide at all.  Let me give you an example.  There's a guy who is quite well known on Nek (not naming names) who continually says things in public chat (70-79 and the like) that get him in to trouble with the player population...

I wonder who, who could this mystery man be?

For people reading this who don't also read EQ2Flames, there's a whole other dimension to this discussion that you're missing out on. Just saying.

[Zarador]

Bah, the whole escape from your reputation argument again on both sides. Funny thing is, when it comes to a player with a bad reputation, it's like washing a pig and letting it go back outside.  It's only going to wind up in the slop again before a short matter of time.  Sometimes, on our server, we can point out an alternate in just a few moments of *colorful* speech.

Gamers tend to become attached to their characters.  Sometimes, a bad situation as far as a relationship/online friendship in game creates an uncomfortable situation. You don't really wish to report the person and simply wish to move on and let them continue to enjoy their game without further interaction with you.   You don't wish to leave the server, but you do wish to leave that relationship completely behind you.  I can recall well in Everquest Live where sympathetic GM's would sometimes grant you a name change under some circumstances.  

The simple FACT that facilitate a total Name/ID change on the exchange servers would indicate that they agree that there are times that a player should be allowed "Under New Management" status.  Grant it, that's a totally different situation, but it does indicate that they have the ability to do so when they choose.

[Shareana]

Lets keep the post on topic and the drama ( from another site) out of it.  I would advise a quick peek at the forum rules for some as well....

[-=Hoss=-]

Is it off topic to laugh? I really wanted to laugh in this thread

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=455884

But I guess it was locked.  I don't see a button to respond. How much do these name change potions cost, out of curiosity?  Is it around 70 bucks for 3 of them?

[Caesium]

That drama was from in game, and completely related to his original post. 

As far as I am aware this is a EQII forum.

[-=Hoss=-]

And actually, the post reply button is on the other thread now.  I must not have been logged in in that window.  But I'll keep the comment here.  No need to post it in multiple places, that would look like I was trying to start something. 

[Mustang8259]

I agree with one of the previous posts, the witness protection part was just a witty name that somebody at SOE came up with for the item combo pack.  As far as being able to be tracked by a number, I don't think players should be able to track eachother that way, they shouldnt have access to that type of info.  On the other hand the GMs at least should definitly have some concrete way that only they can access, so that they can tell if a problem player (and i'm not insinuating you are one but for the sake of argument say that someone is) is the same person with a different name.

Just like witness protection in RL... Someone tries to murder you, they put you in the program, whosever coming after you doesn't know who you are or where to find you anymore, but its documented and the authorities will always know who you really are and will know something is up if a 2nd person tries to murder you, then theyd figure you're doing something to instigate the behavior in others.

So I guess to sum things up, imho should players be able to track you?  No.  Should GMs be able to track you regardless of a name/sex/race change? Absolutely.  In my head if the first player is the problem, and wants to start fresh fine, but he'll prolly end up back where he started, and the GMs will know who it is.  If the first player really wasn't the problem and wants to start fresh, then he should be able to and there shouldn't be anymore problems, but even if there were, the GMs would have the info on hand to know who is doing what and if it's happened before.

[Rothgar]

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Witness protection was just a clever name for the name-change potion, it's not meant to be a cure-all. And like we've said just changing your PID isn't going to solve all your problems.

I just wanted to re-iterate this. 

I'm sorry that you continue to have problems after using the name change potion.  If you petition Customer Service and explain the situation, they may be able to help.

As it was stated, the "Witness Protection Pack" was just a humorous name created for Station Marketplace.  It was never our intent to create a method for people to cover their tracks.

[Lleren]

Pahblo@Nektulos wrote:

Noih@Kithicor wrote:

Reputation tends to follow no matter what you do.   If you are being harrased by other players in or out of game perhaps you should contact SoE GM's.  I know of at least one player on my home server who recieved multiple name changes and eventually a complete character rebuild and likely a server transfer because of unrelenting harrrasment by a small group.  Yes he was outed on eq2flames.

There are of course two ( or more ) sides to any story, its quite possible that if they had used the petition system at various times that they could of had him suspended for his/her behaviour. 

With the online petition system I believe you can even include links to other websites.  Showing that other players are deliberately tracking you down and exposing your new identities on an out of game board may be of help.  Also forums posts tend to have a date as well and that may help show the duration of this harrasment.

If you stay on the same server you will be outed at some point, no matter what you try.  There are so many ways to "fingerprint" someone in game. 

Im not going to comment much on how and what led to my name changes, not in detail that is. I will say... that GM's know my story, and know my extreme appreciation for the kit. As far as my reputation, i refuse to comment on something based off ignorance and malice. I didnt intend this to about other sites, so let me rephrase my question.  Wouldnt it be a way to ensure the witness' protection? If not, why? Player ID # that is

 Also, the eq2flames is a touchy subject atm with soe. Nor relative to the forum. If you would like to discuss that site and its relation to my story please start a thread in a appropriate section. Maybe it would clear the air on all this contraversy.

I am not sure how much of your statements in the post above are a direct responce to my post or to myself and others on this forum.  I am not interested in the details of this story, whether from you or others. 

SoE support has many methods of contact and it sounds like you need to talk to them some more.  I see no refrence in your original post about your contacting SoE customer support in your original post.  This is something you need to be talking to GM's about, email, over the phone, or in game support.

As has been noted elsewhere in this thread, the "witness protection pack"  is merely a clever marketing name for a Station Cash service.  I like that it is merely a clever name and not a protect yourself from XYZ kit.

[therodge]

Llyren@Kithicor wrote:

Reputation tends to follow no matter what you do.   If you are being harrased by other players in or out of game perhaps you should contact SoE GM's.  I know of at least one player on my home server who recieved multiple name changes and eventually a complete character rebuild and likely a server transfer because of unrelenting harrrasment by a small group.  Yes he was outed on eq2flames.

There are of course two ( or more ) sides to any story, its quite possible that if they had used the petition system at various times that they could of had him suspended for his/her behaviour. 

With the online petition system I believe you can even include links to other websites.  Showing that other players are deliberately tracking you down and exposing your new identities on an out of game board may be of help.  Also forums posts tend to have a date as well and that may help show the duration of this harrasment.

If you stay on the same server you will be outed at some point, no matter what you try.  There are so many ways to "fingerprint" someone in game. 

one word Yuyoy

and frankly its people like him that makes tracking ids a good thing

[Bakual]

therodge wrote:

one word Yuyoy

and frankly its people like him that makes tracking ids a good thing

Allthought from what I read "over there" you wouldn't even need ids to recognize him anyway Looks like he's "famous" enough on his server that even a server merge would not help him much

On the other hand. There is one like him on every server I guess

[Argyuile]

Pahblo@Nektulos wrote:

One of the biggest flaws of the Potion of AMnesia, although life saving, is that after you change your name your player ID remains the same. So if a player searchs your old name, they are directed to your new name. This has cost me significant amount of cash.  I have HAD to buy 3 name changes because of this flaw. I changed my name so many times because of certain forums that like to spread rumors and/or"flame"a player, for enjoying roleplay/feedom of character specs/having lots of playtime... etc   Also, a feature that can block specific unwanted players from trying to veiw your page. Let me know what everyone thinks about these changes, how they can be positive and negative

Perhaps you should make a new account and not engage in whatever actions you engaged in that made you feel the need to change their name.      Nobody with a good rep changes their name.   

[TSR-DanielH]

While Rothgar has responded in this case, I would advise posting station cash feedback/suggestions in the thread dedicated to that discussion.  That is usually a better place for this type of post.  You can find that thread here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=438341

This section of the forum is for technical support related to station cash, not for discussing potential/requested changes.

[Rocc]

TSR-DanielH wrote:

While Rothgar has responded in this case, I would advise posting station cash feedback/suggestions in the thread dedicated to that discussion.  That is usually a better place for this type of post.  You can find that thread here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=438341

This section of the forum is for technical support related to station cash, not for discussing potential/requested changes.

Support Forums > Station Cash - Real world currency used to purchase virtual "Station Cash" for goods and/or services. This thread is about something purchased with Station Cash.

Support

1 : to endure bravely or quietly : bear2 a (1) : to promote the interests or cause of (2) : to uphold or defend as valid or right : advocate <supports fair play> (3) : to argue or vote for <supported the motion to lower taxes> b (1) : assist, help supported the ground troops> (2) : to act with (a star actor) (3) : to bid in bridge so as to show support for c : to provide with substantiation : corroborate <support an alibi>3 a : to pay the costs of : maintain <support a family> b : to provide a basis for the existence or subsistence of support three — A. B. C. Whipple> <support a habit>4 a : to hold up or serve as a foundation or prop for b : to maintain (a price) at a desired level by purchases or loans; also : to maintain the price of by purchases or loans5 : to keep from fainting, yielding, or losing courage : comfort6 : to keep (something) going

With all due respect, I think this was posted exactly where it belongs. Perhaps you should change the name to "Technical Support Related to Station Cash". This is game related and this is station cash related. /sigh I'm sorry but it just seems like the moderators are being just a wee bit pushy again. Much like they were before Kiara blessed us with her presence.

Back on subject...

When you use your own money to purchase something like this, there should be some level of anonymity involved. Why else would you want to change your name? For a cooler name? All the good ones are already taken hehe. Gimme a break!! Perhaps some players have other reasons. But for many, this offers a second chance.

I'm shocked to read what you guys have posted in this thread. It sounds to me like the same few people with no valid gripe, trying to defame the OP for having very valid point. Go back to EQ2flames where you came from! This is a GAME. A vent for some and a haven for others. An escape of reality thru virtual interaction is each and every players right. In Iraq we left the war if only for a couple hours thru playing this game. It was a God sent to say the least. To the divorced father, the unemployed mother, disabled person behind the keyboard, this may be their only escape from a horrible reality. They want to log in and play but sometimes their tempers flare because of their current life status. What about when things get better for them? Seconds chances cant be granted in a world with high elves and fae? Whatever!!! It's for God to judge, not a video game community! If their willing to pay for it, let them have their anonyimity.

[Cadaveria]

Rocc@Unrest wrote:

Back on subject...

When you use your own money to purchase something like this, there should be some level of anonymity involved. Why else would you want to change your name? For a cooler name? All the good ones are already taken hehe. Gimme a break!! Perhaps some players have other reasons. But for many, this offers a second chance.

I'm shocked to read what you guys have posted in this thread. It sounds to me like the same few people with no valid gripe, trying to defame the OP for having very valid point. Go back to EQ2flames where you came from! This is a GAME. A vent for some and a haven for others. An escape of reality thru virtual interaction is each and every players right. In Iraq we left the war if only for a couple hours thru playing this game. It was a God sent to say the least. To the divorced father, the unemployed mother, disabled person behind the keyboard, this may be their only escape from a horrible reality. They want to log in and play but sometimes their tempers flare because of their current life status. What about when things get better for them? Seconds chances cant be granted in a world with high elves and fae? Whatever!!! It's for God to judge, not a video game community! If their willing to pay for it, let them have their anonyimity.

What does God and Iraq have to do with the OP making a bad name for themselves and not being able to hide from it? It's not like OP was being stalked at random. OP said many things that upset a lot of the community, and got themselves blacklisted.

I don't believe you should be able to buy good graces. I think they need to be earned. I am in full support of PID not changing with the potions.

I dont think this game should be a vent for anyone. Go [Removed for Content] vent somewhere else. Why should the playerbase have to put up with someone elses bad day?

[-=Hoss=-]

Argyuile@Unrest wrote:

Nobody with a good rep changes their name.   

I disagree with this blanket statement.  I can point to 2 friends who were well liked and changed thier names.  One changed his name just because he always hated the one he picked, and when this option came out, he was able to find a name that had some meaning to him.  Another one changed his name because it was too similar to someone else on the server who was making a bad name for herself (at least in his opinion)

[TSR-DanielH]

Rocc@Unrest wrote:

Support Forums > Station Cash - Real world currency used to purchase virtual "Station Cash" for goods and/or services. This thread is about something purchased with Station Cash.

I understand that but this is the technical support section of the forums.  As mentioned in the sticky, it is not the area to discuss the merits of the service or make suggestions. 

Please direct all further discussion to the station cash feedback thread.