Innoruuk lore

[Crymsyn]

Can someone please help me find specific cannon text that states that Inny's chosen are the necromancers and not his priests to be the mouth of Hate's will? I have been told this and since it goes against every other faith's standard (that the priests are the closest to the gods and their chosen) from all games I have ever played or anything I have read.. it just seems off.

Yes, Innoruuk created the teir'dal by turning Christanos into a necromancer but does that mean he favors that class over all?

[Zin`Car]

Inny created the Teir`dal by corrupting the high elf king and queen Tearis and Cristanos Thex...  not simply by turning Cristanos into a necro.  She chose that as her profession.

To find what you seek, you need to delve back into EQ1 lore.  The House of the Dead, which Cristanos is affiliated with is very much in Innoruuk's favor because of Cristanos.

Tearis however, as i remember, followed Rallos Zek.  Not that it means anything really to your question.  just a small note to keep in the back of your mind.

Dark Elf Necros and SK's both belong to the House of the Dead.

I realize this doesn't give the immediate, cut and dry answer you are looking for but it should help get you started.  Delve into EQ1 lore anywhere you can find it on line.  the PnP books are great references as well.

I can't tell you exactly who is perceived to be "the Mouth of Hate" but i would wager to say that it's an ongoing political power struggle between the house of the dead and the priests

[Cusashorn]

Luinne@Kithicor wrote:

Inny created the Teir`dal by corrupting the high elf king and queen Tearis and Cristanos Thex...  not simply by turning Cristanos into a necro.  She chose that as her profession.

To find what you seek, you need to delve back into EQ1 lore.  The House of the Dead, which Cristanos is affiliated with is very much in Innoruuk's favor because of Cristanos.

Tearis however, as i remember, followed Rallos Zek.  Not that it means anything really to your question.  just a small note to keep in the back of your mind.

Dark Elf Necros and SK's both belong to the House of the Dead.

I realize this doesn't give the immediate, cut and dry answer you are looking for but it should help get you started.  Delve into EQ1 lore anywhere you can find it on line.  the PnP books are great references as well.

I can't tell you exactly who is perceived to be "the Mouth of Hate" but i would wager to say that it's an ongoing political power struggle between the house of the dead and the priests

The Pen and Paper games arn't cannon to the lore presented in the video games themselves. Whatever is written there should be taken with a grain of salt unless it's also stated here in this game or EQlive.

That said, I've never heard of Innoruuk having a chosen preference of class type. All I remember is that the Dark Elves *USED* to be Innoruuk's chosen race until the Legacy of Ykesha expansion came out in EQlive and introduced the Luggald. During the Luggald Broodmother encounter, Innoruuk comes down to defend his new chosen race from extinction, since the Dark Elves have forsaken him by invading his plane and defeating his own creations (and his physical manifestation) along with all the other races.

[Lodrelhai]

Except the Legacy of Ykesha expansion is post-split, which means the Tier'Dal may never have lost their place as Innoruuk's chosen people.

As for who among the Dark Elves is preferred by Innoruuk, considering that Cristanos has been promoting herself as the new god of the Tier'Dal for the past few hundred years or so, and The Dead (necro and sk guild of Neriak) look to her, I doubt the necromancers are above the priests in Innoruuk's favor in general.  Except, perhaps, in that their ongoing feud with the priests is certainly generating more hate and conflict.  On the other hand, I've never heard that the necromancers were favored over the priests in the first place.

[Xalmat]

This seems to be as close to official canon on Innoruuk as it gets:

Innoruuk is allied with Rallos Zek and Cazic-Thule, and the enemy of Quellious, Mithaniel Marr, and Erollisi Marr. Followers of Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, include nearly the entire dark elven race who regard him as their "Father". They believe that hate is a creative force, or rather "THE" creative force in the universe - creativity born of destruction. Love and kindness are tools for those too ignorant to know what they want or too cowardly to do what is necessary to obtain it. They believe that it is only through the total disdain of your enemies that you can gain true power over them. Pity and mercy have no power when confronted with contempt and viciousness. It is the honest belief of the followers of Innoruuk that if they were to hate strongly enough, they could destroy all of Norrath.

I can't remember if it was Cazic or Innoruuk that created the Trolls, but I do believe a majority of Trolls also worship Innoruuk, especially the Ykeshans.

There is nothing to say that Necromancers are more favored than Priests. However one can reasonably conclude that since the majority of practicing necromancers are Tier'Dal, and the vast majority of Tier'Dal worship Innoruuk, the majority of necromancers worship Innoruuk.

The specific issue that is going on in Neriak is that Queen Cristanos is trying to raise herself to the level of a deity (the Arasai worship her directly as their creator), and is attempting to maintain control over Neriak thru her cult. The Priests of Innoruuk, who have been a central fixture of Neriak for centuries, oppose her by maintaining that true power only comes from worshipping an actual God---not just any god, but the only true god of the Tier'Dal, their creator Innoruuk.

Interesting to note that Cristanos associated with The Dead, while Naythox Thex (a former King of Neriak back in EQ1's days) associated with the Priests of Innoruuk.

[Cusashorn]

Lodrelhai wrote:

Except the Legacy of Ykesha expansion is post-split, which means the Tier'Dal may never have lost their place as Innoruuk's chosen people.

As for who among the Dark Elves is preferred by Innoruuk, considering that Cristanos has been promoting herself as the new god of the Tier'Dal for the past few hundred years or so, and The Dead (necro and sk guild of Neriak) look to her, I doubt the necromancers are above the priests in Innoruuk's favor in general.  Except, perhaps, in that their ongoing feud with the priests is certainly generating more hate and conflict.  On the other hand, I've never heard that the necromancers were favored over the priests in the first place.

No, actually, it does take place before the time split. We wouldn't have the Marr-touched Frogloks as a player race in this game otherwise, and furthermore Legacy of Ykesha came out in February of 2003. The first uber-guilds in EQlive would never end up defeating the Plane of Time until July of 2003.

[Wilde_Night]

Then where are the Luggald?

[glowsintheda]

It is entierly possible they all died out when Inny removed himself from norrath along with all the rest of the gods.

[Xalmat]

glowsinthedark wrote:

It is entierly possible they all died out when Inny removed himself from norrath along with all the rest of the gods.

Sounds plausible to me. Either that or they were outright eliminated by the Broken Skulls (probably for lunch meat). Come to think of it, what ever happened to all of the features of Broken Skull Rock? The entire MoY expansion took place on Broken Skull Rock.

[Maergoth]

Water levels rose quite a bit, what you see is just the highest points of brokenskull rock. You'll notice there are spotty islands all around it, there's a good bit of land underground that's covered over.

The "shrinking" of the island forced the pirates to split, some ending up in the nearby Isle of Mara.

[Xalmat]

There is also the story of Lanys T'Vyl, said to be touched by Innoruuk and once acted as his avatar. She led the forces of Hate against the armies of Growth in what is known as the Battle of Bloody Kithicor, and was slain by Firiona Vie. This left a taint on the Kithicor Forest which would corrupt it every nightfall. While the current whereabouts of the Kithicor Forest are unknown, they once joined Rivervale with the Commonlands.

On the other timeline, Lanys T'Vyl was reborn and led the forces of Hate into another battle with the army of Growth in an attempt to conquer the elven outpost of Firiona Vie on Kunark (this is after the Firiona Vie kidnapping story). This time though she was successful, and succeeded in conquering the entire outpost, driving the high elven population to the hills.

Innoruuk was also part of the original parthenon of Gods that sealed Zebuxoruk away in the Plane of Time, and was defeated before (depending on which part of the time split you're on) the ritual was complete. He once made his presence widely known in the Plane of Hate, of which the Shard of Hate is a fragment of.

Worth noting that the Innoruuk deity quests have you capture a Fae spirit bud, presumably for Xilania Nevagon to secretly give to Queen Cristanos.

[Lodrelhai]

Cusashorn wrote:

Lodrelhai wrote:

Except the Legacy of Ykesha expansion is post-split, which means the Tier'Dal may never have lost their place as Innoruuk's chosen people.

As for who among the Dark Elves is preferred by Innoruuk, considering that Cristanos has been promoting herself as the new god of the Tier'Dal for the past few hundred years or so, and The Dead (necro and sk guild of Neriak) look to her, I doubt the necromancers are above the priests in Innoruuk's favor in general.  Except, perhaps, in that their ongoing feud with the priests is certainly generating more hate and conflict.  On the other hand, I've never heard that the necromancers were favored over the priests in the first place.

No, actually, it does take place before the time split. We wouldn't have the Marr-touched Frogloks as a player race in this game otherwise, and furthermore Legacy of Ykesha came out in February of 2003. The first uber-guilds in EQlive would never end up defeating the Plane of Time until July of 2003.

Ah right, thanks for the correction.

I suppose it's possible with Inny no longer around to run interference for the Luggald Broodmother, the adventurers succeeded in wiping them out.  Either that, or they've partnered with the Shissar who escaped Luclin and are hiding out in Kedge Keep plotting the destruction of all Norrath (that is a JOKE!).

[Zin`Car]

Xalmat wrote:

... while Naythox Thex (a former King of Neriak back in EQ1's days) associated with the Priests of Innoruuk.

no.

That is wrong.

King Naythox was associated with the Warriors.  He worshipped Rallos, not Innoruuk.  Going through the beginning teir`dal (gods above i wish people would learn to spell that right.  TEIR, not tier) warrior quests in EQ1, you will find out much of this information.  It's also why Cristanos and Naythox are / were always at odds.

As for the pnp books not being "cannon", this may be the official SOE word about the content, however... i've got the initial three books and they (aside from serious spelling and grammar errors) really couldnt be moe spot on with game lore.  Now, i have none of the other supporting material that was also released, but the GM, Player and monster manuals are pretty close to what can be found in EQ1 game play in regards to lore.  I'd have not kept the books otherwise.

[Cusashorn]

Xalmat wrote:

There is also the story of Lanys T'Vyl, said to be touched by Innoruuk and once acted as his avatar. She led the forces of Hate against the armies of Growth in what is known as the Battle of Bloody Kithicor, and was slain by Firiona Vie. This left a taint on the Kithicor Forest which would corrupt it every nightfall. While the current whereabouts of the Kithicor Forest are unknown, they once joined Rivervale with the Commonlands.

On the other timeline, Lanys T'Vyl was reborn and led the forces of Hate into another battle with the army of Growth in an attempt to conquer the elven outpost of Firiona Vie on Kunark (this is after the Firiona Vie kidnapping story). This time though she was successful, and succeeded in conquering the entire outpost, driving the high elven population to the hills.

Innoruuk was also part of the original parthenon of Gods that sealed Zebuxoruk away in the Plane of Time, and was defeated before (depending on which part of the time split you're on) the ritual was complete. He once made his presence widely known in the Plane of Hate, of which the Shard of Hate is a fragment of.

Worth noting that the Innoruuk deity quests have you capture a Fae spirit bud, presumably for Xilania Nevagon to secretly give to Queen Cristanos.

Actually, Xalmat, I was there during the Battle of Bloody Kithicor. Lanys T'Vyl was Innoruuk's daughter, born during a blood moon festival held every so often in Neriak. Inny took the form of a dark elf, impregnated a female, and the Demi-God of Strife was later born.

I was there during the Battle of Bloody Kithicor. Firiona Vie's forces defeated Lanys T'Vyl, but she wasn't slain there. Innoruuk intervened and pulled her into the Plane of Hate, and then unleashed the curse of undeath onto the forest. Firiona's armies were fortunate enough to MOSTLY escape out of the forest before the wave had hit them.

Lanys would later return to spread her influence of strife on Norrath, but this is where she lost favor with her daddy. After learning of Firiona's possetion of the Lifeguide staff, given to her by Tunare, She decided to seek it for herself. With the Lifeguide staff, Lanys had planned to eradicate all life on Norrath. Innoruuk was ticked off to say the least, as was the King and Queen of Neriak. Spreading Hate throughout the world was one thing, but destroying all life ment destroying the emotion of Hate with it. The Neriakian Army would battle Lanys T'Vyl and her followers in the Rathe Mountains, where they killed her and took her body back to Neriak.

Before they could begin the ritual to return her body to Innoruuk, her cultist followers stole the body and took it to Befallen, where they tried to resurrect her or otherwise create a new body for her soul to inhabit and return to Norrath. They failed, as the Nerakian army recovered the body again.

This time, they started the ritual immediately to summon Innoruuk. He took her body and destroyed it, then tore her soul up to shreads. That was the end of Lanys T'Vyl... at least until post-time-split where the developers of EQlive decided to bring her back.

[Zin`Car]

I remember that event as well.  I took part in it on Vallon Zek.  Probably one of the best events SOE has ever done.  It's amazing how... far down hill the game has come since Post-Ruins of Kunark of EQ1.  SOE simply has yet to eclipse the original EQ1 and Ruins of Kunark.

Sure, EQ2 is fun.  It's beautiful by comparison.  But the content... and don't get me wrong, it's not bad but it's nothing like it was back then, imho.

[Crymsyn]

Does anyone know of a site that has the EQ1 newbie necro quest text? Apparently during creation etc of a DE Necro that is where some of the claim that Inny favors necromancers above all is taken from.

I'd like to read it and some of the other classes' (especially the clerics) dialogue to see if that is accurate or perhaps simply boastful posturing. I mean everyone always thinks they are the most valuable organization, right?

[Xalmat]

Crymsyn@Lucan DLere wrote:

Does anyone know of a site that has the EQ1 newbie necro quest text? Apparently during creation etc of a DE Necro that is where some of the claim that Inny favors necromancers above all is taken from.

I'd like to read it and some of the other classes' (especially the clerics) dialogue to see if that is accurate or perhaps simply boastful posturing. I mean everyone always thinks they are the most valuable organization, right?

Allakhazam probably has the quest dialog somewhere. But more than likely you'll only find text that supports the point of view from a dark elf necromancer perspective (remember: the vast majority of Tier'Dal worship Innoruuk regardless of their profession). Remember, worshippers of Innoruuk believe that hate is a creative force, or rather the creative force in the universe - creativity born of destruction. And there are many ways to channel hate into a destructive (and therefore creative) force.

It's unlikely Innoruuk would actively favor Necromancy over anything else.

Keep in mind that necromancy isn't only practiced by the Children of Hate, but also by worshippers of Cazic Thule (primary Iksar, Lizardmen, and Trolls) and Bertoxxulous (mostly the Bloodsabers located near Qeynos, who are predominantly Human, or a faction of Gnomes that used to inhabit Ak'Anon known as the Dark Reflection). Few other gods would seemingly support necromancy.

If anything, Bertoxxulous, the God of Disease, is as close to being a god of necromancy as Anashti Sul, the Goddess of Undeath, is. Disease is a primary tool of necromancy, and Bertoxxulous favors the use of disease as a tool. Cazic Thule, the God of Fear, would most likely consider necromancy as a means to an end...albeit a very effective tool at spreading fear, as the undead are very frightful to most.

[glowsintheda]

The evil erudites of Paineel (the heretics I think was their faction title) were also cazic followers, almost exclusivly I think.

[Xalmat]

glowsinthedark wrote:

The evil erudites of Paineel (the heretics I think was their faction title) were also cazic followers, almost exclusivly I think.

True. Thanks for mentioning them.

[Cusashorn]

Aye, and the Heretics originally worshipped Bertoxxulous before the city of Paineel was overrun by the hordes of the Underfoot down in The Hole. When they rebuilt the city on the surface, they started following Cazic instead.