If POM is being nerfed why not ''Enhance Icelash' and 'Fanatical Devotion'

TwistedFaith · 01-15-2009, 10:20 AM

Honest question if PoM is overpowered which i dont personally think it is, why arn't the following AA's being nerfed also:

Wizard - Enhance Icelash Inquisitor - Fanatical Devotion

Both are similar to PoM, and hell I know for sure that 'Fanatical Devotion' does at least as much as PoM if not more.

Noaani · 01-15-2009, 10:40 AM

Illusionist.PoM: 265 DPSIce Lash: 120 DPSPotM: 145 DPS

Warlock.PoM: 145 DPSIce Lash: 93 DPSPotM: 92 DPS

Wizard.PoM: 147 DPSIce Lash: 85 DPSPotM: 121 DPS

These are the numbers from a Tombs zonewide, as it is what I happen to have open on ACT right now.

Looking at that, it is obvious to see that PoM is doing more damage than the other procs. This in itself is enough to warrent a nerf.

With these numbers, Ice Lash has 5 points spent to enhance it by 25%. Those 5 achievement point increased the DPS for these three mages by a combined total of about 65 DPS, or 13 DPS per achievement point (it has 5 points spent in the EoF line as well, fut coming up with an accurate figure for the damage that adds is more than I want to do right now). Since PoM is a single point, and it increased the DPS of these three mages by a total of 557, it added 557 DPS to them per point.

557 DPS for a point vs 13 DPS for a point.

please, keep complaining about it, it does nothing but bring more attention to the fact that enchanters are overpowered and are the next class in line for a decient sized nerf.

Do you actually not understand the difference between a spell + achievements, a spell + mythical effect and just an achievement? Ice Lash as you see it on a parse is a spell + 10 achievement points, PotM as you see it on a parse is a spell + one of 2 major effects on the troubador mythical.

PoM is a single achievement point.

Jeepned2 · 01-15-2009, 11:17 AM

As an ex Coercer main, and a "used to be" very loud complainer about how the Coercer was treated before "the big fix" I simply pass this on to you for historical reasons. SoE can not control itself when screwing around with the Coercer. Coercers would have never gotten the big fix if it wasn't for the huge numbers of betrayals, those that quit or like me, those who quit playing thier Coercers. I can guarantee you that complaining about other class abilities will get you no where. And actually complaining in general will get you no where either. This is simply the start of the continued assault on the Coercer that a year or two down the road will end in another "big fix" for the Coercer that will be required. If I were you, I'd be expecting more nerfs coming to your class soon. Like I said, SoE simply can't help themselves.

Illine · 01-15-2009, 11:33 AM

it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish.

the thing is they fixed us few months ago and now ... they restart to nerf.

anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed. Now that enchanters approches the dps of wiz, if they get better damage proc buffs, wizz won't be wanted anymore.

It has to be balanced.

Noaani · 01-15-2009, 11:44 AM

Illine@Storms wrote:

it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish.
anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed.

lol.

Illine · 01-15-2009, 12:40 PM

Noaani wrote:

Illine@Storms wrote:
it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish.
anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed.
lol.

why?

even though I'm a coercer and I like seeing big numbers, I totally undersatand that giving a high dps ability to a utility class can bring problem in raids if raiders start taking more of that class for a better overall dps than pure dps classes.

PoM should be a strong ability since it's an endline but it should be on par with other buffs of the same type. which depends on the duration, recast and damage.

Noaani · 01-15-2009, 12:50 PM

Illine@Storms wrote:

PoM should be a strong ability since it's an endline but it should be on par with other buffs of the same type. which depends on the duration, recast and damage.

And trigger.

Detor · 01-15-2009, 12:52 PM

TwistedFaith wrote:

Honest question if PoM is overpowered which i dont personally think it is, why arn't the following AA's being nerfed also:
Wizard - Enhance Icelash Inquisitor - Fanatical Devotion
Both are similar to PoM, and hell I know for sure that 'Fanatical Devotion' does at least as much as PoM if not more.

Perhaps because people who wanted PoM nerfed went on test and did /feedback and /bug's about it, and those that want Enhance: Icelash nerfed post about it instead of going on the test server specifically and doing a /feedback or /bug about it. I've read they share the task of reading feedback from test, but they don't necessarily read all posts on the forums in the same way.

Lethe5683 · 01-15-2009, 07:45 PM

Noaani wrote:

Illine@Storms wrote:
it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish.
anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed.
lol.

lol

Sir Longsword · 01-16-2009, 01:35 PM

lol at people who cry for nerfs as opposed to boosts for their class or other class they feel is slighted.

QQ more.

01-15-2009, 10:40 AM	#2
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Illusionist.PoM: 265 DPSIce Lash: 120 DPSPotM: 145 DPS Warlock.PoM: 145 DPSIce Lash: 93 DPSPotM: 92 DPS Wizard.PoM: 147 DPSIce Lash: 85 DPSPotM: 121 DPS These are the numbers from a Tombs zonewide, as it is what I happen to have open on ACT right now. Looking at that, it is obvious to see that PoM is doing more damage than the other procs. This in itself is enough to warrent a nerf. With these numbers, Ice Lash has 5 points spent to enhance it by 25%. Those 5 achievement point increased the DPS for these three mages by a combined total of about 65 DPS, or 13 DPS per achievement point (it has 5 points spent in the EoF line as well, fut coming up with an accurate figure for the damage that adds is more than I want to do right now). Since PoM is a single point, and it increased the DPS of these three mages by a total of 557, it added 557 DPS to them per point. 557 DPS for a point vs 13 DPS for a point. please, keep complaining about it, it does nothing but bring more attention to the fact that enchanters are overpowered and are the next class in line for a decient sized nerf. Do you actually not understand the difference between a spell + achievements, a spell + mythical effect and just an achievement? Ice Lash as you see it on a parse is a spell + 10 achievement points, PotM as you see it on a parse is a spell + one of 2 major effects on the troubador mythical. PoM is a single achievement point. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

01-15-2009, 11:44 AM	#5
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Illine@Storms wrote: it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish. anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed. lol. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

01-15-2009, 12:40 PM	#6
Illine Server: Storms Guild: Apocalypse Rank: Honorifique Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: storms Posts: 870	Noaani wrote: Illine@Storms wrote: it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish. anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed. lol. why? even though I'm a coercer and I like seeing big numbers, I totally undersatand that giving a high dps ability to a utility class can bring problem in raids if raiders start taking more of that class for a better overall dps than pure dps classes. PoM should be a strong ability since it's an endline but it should be on par with other buffs of the same type. which depends on the duration, recast and damage.

01-15-2009, 12:50 PM	#7
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Illine@Storms wrote: PoM should be a strong ability since it's an endline but it should be on par with other buffs of the same type. which depends on the duration, recast and damage. And trigger. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

01-15-2009, 12:52 PM	#8
Detor Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,198	TwistedFaith wrote: Honest question if PoM is overpowered which i dont personally think it is, why arn't the following AA's being nerfed also: Wizard - Enhance Icelash Inquisitor - Fanatical Devotion Both are similar to PoM, and hell I know for sure that 'Fanatical Devotion' does at least as much as PoM if not more. Perhaps because people who wanted PoM nerfed went on test and did /feedback and /bug's about it, and those that want Enhance: Icelash nerfed post about it instead of going on the test server specifically and doing a /feedback or /bug about it. I've read they share the task of reading feedback from test, but they don't necessarily read all posts on the forums in the same way. __________________ Comcast (SMC D3G-BIZ) & Verizon Cellphone (Droid Charge)

01-15-2009, 10:20 AM	#1
TwistedFaith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 892	Honest question if PoM is overpowered which i dont personally think it is, why arn't the following AA's being nerfed also: Wizard - Enhance Icelash Inquisitor - Fanatical Devotion Both are similar to PoM, and hell I know for sure that 'Fanatical Devotion' does at least as much as PoM if not more.

01-15-2009, 11:17 AM	#3
Jeepned2 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 595	As an ex Coercer main, and a "used to be" very loud complainer about how the Coercer was treated before "the big fix" I simply pass this on to you for historical reasons. SoE can not control itself when screwing around with the Coercer. Coercers would have never gotten the big fix if it wasn't for the huge numbers of betrayals, those that quit or like me, those who quit playing thier Coercers. I can guarantee you that complaining about other class abilities will get you no where. And actually complaining in general will get you no where either. This is simply the start of the continued assault on the Coercer that a year or two down the road will end in another "big fix" for the Coercer that will be required. If I were you, I'd be expecting more nerfs coming to your class soon. Like I said, SoE simply can't help themselves.

01-15-2009, 11:33 AM	#4
Illine Server: Storms Guild: Apocalypse Rank: Honorifique Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: storms Posts: 870	it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish. the thing is they fixed us few months ago and now ... they restart to nerf. anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed. Now that enchanters approches the dps of wiz, if they get better damage proc buffs, wizz won't be wanted anymore. It has to be balanced.

01-15-2009, 07:45 PM	#9
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Noaani wrote: Illine@Storms wrote: it's stupid to ask for other classes to be nerfed, and childish. anyway, if PoM is really overpowered compared to other buffs of that type, maybe it is needed to be nerfed. lol. lol

01-16-2009, 01:35 PM	#10
Sir Longsword Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 181	lol at people who cry for nerfs as opposed to boosts for their class or other class they feel is slighted. QQ more. __________________ 81 Paladin 88 Guardian 85 Assassin 84 Illusionist 80 Warlock 80 Templar Blackburrow server