How do Wood Elves get their shrouds?

[Niae]

Are they painted on, tattooed, magically appear sometime during their life, or are they born with it?  Anyone know if there is any lore on that? 

[Cusashorn]

That's a good question, as EQ2 is where the shroud appearance was even introduced, though there's no explanation for why they wear them.

[ke'la]

Cusashorn wrote:

That's a good question, as EQ2 is where the shroud appearance was even introduced, though there's no explanation for why they wear them.

Maybe it has something to do with why Euriodites are bald.

[Cusashorn]

Nah, they're just too smart that the hair folicles don't have any place to stay.

[ke'la]

Cusashorn wrote:

Nah, they're just too smart that the hair folicles don't have any place to stay.

Well the reasons are similar then... maybe... Wood Elfs spend so much time "in Nature" that they get stained that way.

[Noaani]

IMO it is nothing more than a form of human (elvan) art, similar to what was found in many early scocieties. While they may have significance, I would be willing to bet they are little more than decoration.

[ke'la]

Noaani wrote:

IMO it is nothing more than a form of human (elvan) art, similar to what was found in many early scocieties. While they may have significance, I would be willing to bet they are little more than decoration.

The issue with the Shroud is that they are a fairly reasont development... they didn't apperantly have them 500 years ago... then again it could just have been a graphical limitation, though did Barbs have thier Wodes then?

[Illine]

for me it's just tatoos they get.

wood elfs are forest folks, rangers, druids ... they are more sauvage than some other races. and even if they now live in queynos, they keeped with their wild traditions. A bit like barbarians. but the elfes use more those shrouds to help themself disappear in the wild. to make one with the forest.

[KniteShayd]

Illine@Storms wrote:

for me it's just tatoos they get.

wood elfs are forest folks, rangers, druids ... they are more sauvage than some other races. and even if they now live in queynos, they keeped with their wild traditions. A bit like barbarians. but the elfes use more those shrouds to help themself disappear in the wild. to make one with the forest.

They were never savage.  They were more primitive than the otherelves, for lack of a better word.  They are more lax within their society, obviously, than high elves. My guess is they were not only decorative, but defensive as it helped camoflage them in the trees.  if you look at them, they are all shades of natural plant color.

But I would like to know what the lore is behind em.  Same goes for the Dwarf stratems.  I would assume it would be similar to the barbarians' reasoning behind the woad, but it may have a twist.

[Kamimura]

kela wrote:

The issue with the Shroud is that they are a fairly reasont development... they didn't apperantly have them 500 years ago... then again it could just have been a graphical limitation, though did Barbs have thier Wodes then?

Yeah, barbarians have had wodes since the original EQL models. Personally, in my own character stories they're tattoos given by their family (my four feir'dal are all related) during a "rite of passage" kinda thing.  How other wood elves get them differs. Some of them are quite old, and got their shouds during the War of the Fay, or later in the Second Rallosian War.. camoflague for fighting from the wood, since it makes sense a wood elf would use nature in that way.I wouldn't mind hearing more on their origins and purpose, though.

[PokemonLuVer]

I am Fairly Certain that there is in game lore, or an explination for the shrouds in the old char creator. My first char was a half elf outta Willow Wood and I definately recall some where that the shrouds we the Wood elves way of mourning the seperation from there vasts forests on Faydwer and the loss of there ancestral home of Kelethin. Hence the name "Shrouds", although this is hardly appropriate at this point with the rediscovery of Faydwer and Kelethin. However the practice of shrouds could also be considered a mark or remeberance of the seperation post EoF.

[ke'la]

Krystal@Mistmoore wrote:

I am Fairly Certain that there is in game lore, or an explination for the shrouds in the old char creator. My first char was a half elf outta Willow Wood and I definately recall some where that the shrouds we the Wood elves way of mourning the seperation from there vasts forests on Faydwer and the loss of there ancestral home of Kelethin. Hence the name "Shrouds", although this is hardly appropriate at this point with the rediscovery of Faydwer and Kelethin. However the practice of shrouds could also be considered a mark or remeberance of the seperation post EoF.

Or if you where "Born" in Qeynos you still have that speration... besides Kelethin is FAR from being the Kelethin it was when Wood Elfs ruled it... heck most of it burned down Durring the War of the Fay.

[Kamimura]

Krystal@Mistmoore wrote:

I am Fairly Certain that there is in game lore, or an explination for the shrouds in the old char creator. My first char was a half elf outta Willow Wood and I definately recall some where that the shrouds we the Wood elves way of mourning the seperation from there vasts forests on Faydwer and the loss of there ancestral home of Kelethin. Hence the name "Shrouds", although this is hardly appropriate at this point with the rediscovery of Faydwer and Kelethin. However the practice of shrouds could also be considered a mark or remeberance of the seperation post EoF.

I dunno.. I was a wood elf from the willow wood myself, twice over, and I don't remember reading this anywhere.. I also checked out the history of the Feir'dal book, just to make sure there was not something in there being missed, but no mention of shrouds there either.

[Harvash]

Perhaps I am thinking too Real World here, but I had a much different assumption.

Woody's are more primative, as pointed out already, and are all foresty about everything.  I had assumed the inspiration came from Native Americans or South American societies.  Both of these used various face/body paints and a mixture of feathers/furs to adorn their hair and clothing.

Sorry, just don't believe they would be tattoos in classic sense, that would seem more destructive than ornamental or natural.  (Don't bother yelling at me, I have several tattoos and wasn't trying to ruin it for anyone that just thought tattoos are the cool thing)

[ke'la]

Genryl@Permafrost wrote:

Perhaps I am thinking too Real World here, but I had a much different assumption.

Woody's are more primative, as pointed out already, and are all foresty about everything. I had assumed the inspiration came from Native Americans or South American societies. Both of these used various face/body paints and a mixture of feathers/furs to adorn their hair and clothing.

Sorry, just don't believe they would be tattoos in classic sense, that would seem more destructive than ornamental or natural. (Don't bother yelling at me, I have several tattoos and wasn't trying to ruin it for anyone that just thought tattoos are the cool thing)

Wood elfs are more primative when compaired to High Elfs. They are still members of the Eldar and are among the least primitive races on Norath. Calling Wood Elfs primitive would be like calling UC Graduates uneducated, cause they did not Graduate from an "Ivy League" School.

[Harvash]

I think you read to literally into the word "primative".  I don't think anyone would argue to loudly if we called the Maya primative, they certainly were by today's standards.  However, they brought us a working calander, many premises of engineering have a background with them, they were indeed very advanced - for their time.

Graduates of Harvard circa. 1920 would certainly be far behind their counterparts of the 2000's. Same school, different era.

(this also reminds me why I don't get into discussions on this forum..lol.  Better to read and ponder then speak and screw it up.)

Thanks

G

[ke'la]

Genryl@Permafrost wrote:

I think you read to literally into the word "primative".  I don't think anyone would argue to loudly if we called the Maya primative, they certainly were by today's standards.  However, they brought us a working calander, many premises of engineering have a background with them, they were indeed very advanced - for their time.

Graduates of Harvard circa. 1920 would certainly be far behind their counterparts of the 2000's. Same school, different era.

(this also reminds me why I don't get into discussions on this forum..lol.  Better to read and ponder then speak and screw it up.)

Thanks

G

Yes, but in this case the term would be used in compairing contemporaries, not people out of differant eras. As such it is more like, to use your exsample, compairing Maya to say Romans, and the Romans calling the Maya "Primative"... or accually to be more accurate Romans and Greek and calling the Greek Primative.

[Kamimura]

Genryl@Permafrost wrote:

Perhaps I am thinking too Real World here, but I had a much different assumption.

Woody's are more primative, as pointed out already, and are all foresty about everything.  I had assumed the inspiration came from Native Americans or South American societies.  Both of these used various face/body paints and a mixture of feathers/furs to adorn their hair and clothing.

Sorry, just don't believe they would be tattoos in classic sense, that would seem more destructive than ornamental or natural.  (Don't bother yelling at me, I have several tattoos and wasn't trying to ruin it for anyone that just thought tattoos are the cool thing)

Err.. sorry, but this doesn't quite follow. Do you know about the history of tattooing? Tattooing did happen in some native South and North American socities. So, even if the inspiration behind wood elves came from those areas, that does not rule out the possibility of them being tattoos. I don't see why they would be viewed as destructive, either.. I'm not saying it can't be paint (although, the very detailed work of some being under clothes and straps.. you'd think it would smudge! :p), but there's not much which would lead me to believe it could not be tattoo, either. As may be of interest, if you read the brownie L&L you will see that they actually do seem to tattoo themselves. The feamle brownie mentions adding to her markings (which, you would not really need to mention if they were paint and could come off and be done another way), brownies have had markings since EQL. (They had their own model over there, unlike here in EQ2 where they are just tiny wood elves.) Perhaps the idea of it spread from the brownies to the wood elves at some point? Perhaps when the brownies came and helped the Fae and Feir'dal defend Kelethin from the orcs, before so many of the wood elves decided to head for Qeynos.. Hmm.. ah, just a though..

[ke'la]

Sorako@Crushbone wrote:

Genryl@Permafrost wrote:

Perhaps I am thinking too Real World here, but I had a much different assumption.

Woody's are more primative, as pointed out already, and are all foresty about everything.  I had assumed the inspiration came from Native Americans or South American societies.  Both of these used various face/body paints and a mixture of feathers/furs to adorn their hair and clothing.

Sorry, just don't believe they would be tattoos in classic sense, that would seem more destructive than ornamental or natural.  (Don't bother yelling at me, I have several tattoos and wasn't trying to ruin it for anyone that just thought tattoos are the cool thing)

Err.. sorry, but this doesn't quite follow. Do you know about the history of tattooing? Tattooing did happen in some native South and North American socities. So, even if the inspiration behind wood elves came from those areas, that does not rule out the possibility of them being tattoos. I don't see why they would be viewed as destructive, either.. I'm not saying it can't be paint (although, the very detailed work of some being under clothes and straps.. you'd think it would smudge! :p), but there's not much which would lead me to believe it could not be tattoo, either. As may be of interest, if you read the brownie L&L you will see that they actually do seem to tattoo themselves. The feamle brownie mentions adding to her markings (which, you would not really need to mention if they were paint and could come off and be done another way), brownies have had markings since EQL. (They had their own model over there, unlike here in EQ2 where they are just tiny wood elves.) Perhaps the idea of it spread from the brownies to the wood elves at some point? Perhaps when the brownies came and helped the Fae and Feir'dal defend Kelethin from the orcs, before so many of the wood elves decided to head for Qeynos.. Hmm.. ah, just a though..

Accually I do remember reading somewhere about it being a Brownie Army arriving that Saved what remaind of Kelethin and Gfay, durring the War of the Fay(this was near the very end, after the Gnomes already shown up, and Gfay was set ablaze)..... not that I think about it, where I remember reading about it was on a Memorial on that stump near the Residental Acorns... the one with the Branch to Jolie's Resturant(near where the Frostfell Wardrobe spawns). It is possable that Wood Elf's adopted the Shroud to honor the Brownies and thank them for thier help.

[Leko]

Niaera wrote:

Are they painted on, tattooed, magically appear sometime during their life, or are they born with it?  Anyone know if there is any lore on that? 

Wood burner.

[iceriven2]

kela wrote:

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Brownies came during a second attack by the orcs....

War of the fey Dark elves went through BB...then burned kelethin to the ground..marched to Felwithe. captured Felwithe, nearly destroyed the high elf race before the gnomes and dwarves came and saved the day, darves coming after they handled the DE's. 

Fae help kelethin rebuild, during this time the high elves went isolationist, so the fae queen took over kelethin, peaceful of course mind u.  After it was rebuilt the orcs attacked again, besiged kelthin, but never detroying it, the combined magic of the remaining elves and fae protected the city but they couldnt drive the orcs away...that where the brownies come in, they came to the cities rescue then went back home...

this is mostly all from book about war of the fey and the quest in kelethin about fae history... i think...

[ke'la]

iceriven2 wrote:

kela wrote:

{0}

Brownies came during a second attack by the orcs....

War of the fey Dark elves went through BB...then burned kelethin to the ground..marched to Felwithe. captured Felwithe, nearly destroyed the high elf race before the gnomes and dwarves came and saved the day, darves coming after they handled the DE's. 

Fae help kelethin rebuild, during this time the high elves went isolationist, so the fae queen took over kelethin, peaceful of course mind u.  After it was rebuilt the orcs attacked again, besiged kelthin, but never detroying it, the combined magic of the remaining elves and fae protected the city but they couldnt drive the orcs away...that where the brownies come in, they came to the cities rescue then went back home...

this is mostly all from book about war of the fey and the quest in kelethin about fae history... i think...

The question is did that happen befor or after Old Antonica was cut off from Faedwar.

[Kamimura]

According to the Fae L&L the brownies came after the war of the fay, during the second rallosian war when the orcs were marching over Faydwer. I believe this was right before the elves got the call to head to Antonica.