Thieves Guild

Caipira · 04-04-2008, 04:32 PM

I am not that up on the other archtypes so I am always wondering who would most benefit from getting thieves guild. Can someone give a like top 6 or so on the classes that get the most of it? In raids, which is what I mostly do, it goes to the dirge, but in PUGs and PURs I seem to always be guessing as to who gets it, and Im tiored of asking everyone "Hey which one of you guys debuffs mit?"

Fatuus · 04-04-2008, 05:02 PM

Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k

Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k

Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke.

Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe

Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec)

Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe

At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%.

A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200.

Jeffmaster · 04-08-2008, 08:42 AM

Fatuus wrote:

Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k
Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k
Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke.
Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe
Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec)
Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe
At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%.
A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200.

Bards 1st

Shamen 2nd

Clerics 3rd

Fatuus · 04-08-2008, 09:30 AM

Jeffmaster wrote:

Fatuus wrote:
Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k
Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k
Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke.
Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe
Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec)
Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe
At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%.
A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200.
Bards 1st
Shamen 2nd
Clerics 3rd

1) A coercer debuffs more then a shaman ever does. The best "mit" debuff is a mystic which debuffs heat, cold, disease, and poison by 1330. A coercer can debuff poison, disease, heat, cold, magic, arcane, and divine damage by 1592. They can further reduce mental mitgation by over 5k with thieves guild on them.

2) Cleric's physical mitigation debuffs affect the damage output of about 1/3 to 1/2 of all your outgoing dps.

3) I only choose warlocks in this case since their debuff directly impacts the damage output of SK, necromancers, and warlocks. While SK's generally have crappy dps...Warlocks and Necros dps is awesome...so the more you can debuff this (over the mystic debuff) its best for overall raid dps IMO. After the 5th person I listed on debuffs....its really a crapshoot who you choose...sk (2k physical mit debuff if you are foolish to raid with one plus noxious debuffs), Warlock, or Mystic I guess.

4) Defilers have a weak debuff on poison and disease...and its very short lived.

5) If thieves guild affected DPS and attack speed debuffs....then I would be all for putting it on a shaman more...but it doesn't affect that.

TheSpin · 04-08-2008, 10:32 AM

Fatuus wrote:

Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k
Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k
Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke.
Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe
Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec)
Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe
At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%.
A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200.

I agree with this guy pretty much.

I go 1st - bard, 2nd - cleric, 3rd - chanter.

Some other classes have other good debuffs, but clerics and dirges are the best for debuffing physical mit, and that's the mitigation type I want to be debuffed the most SMILEY

I would also add that if there is a shadowknight acting as a main tank and no bard, I will give him the buff because his taunt debuffs disease mit and he does disease damage...helps him do his job.

04-04-2008, 04:32 PM	#1
Caipira Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 216	I am not that up on the other archtypes so I am always wondering who would most benefit from getting thieves guild. Can someone give a like top 6 or so on the classes that get the most of it? In raids, which is what I mostly do, it goes to the dirge, but in PUGs and PURs I seem to always be guessing as to who gets it, and Im tiored of asking everyone "Hey which one of you guys debuffs mit?" __________________

04-04-2008, 05:02 PM	#2
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke. Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec) Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%. A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200. __________________

04-08-2008, 08:42 AM	#3
Jeffmaster Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fellowship of Heavenly Fire Posts: 414	Fatuus wrote: Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke. Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec) Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%. A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200. Bards 1st Shamen 2nd Clerics 3rd

04-08-2008, 09:30 AM	#4
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	Jeffmaster wrote: Fatuus wrote: Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke. Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec) Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%. A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200. Bards 1st Shamen 2nd Clerics 3rd 1) A coercer debuffs more then a shaman ever does. The best "mit" debuff is a mystic which debuffs heat, cold, disease, and poison by 1330. A coercer can debuff poison, disease, heat, cold, magic, arcane, and divine damage by 1592. They can further reduce mental mitgation by over 5k with thieves guild on them. 2) Cleric's physical mitigation debuffs affect the damage output of about 1/3 to 1/2 of all your outgoing dps. 3) I only choose warlocks in this case since their debuff directly impacts the damage output of SK, necromancers, and warlocks. While SK's generally have crappy dps...Warlocks and Necros dps is awesome...so the more you can debuff this (over the mystic debuff) its best for overall raid dps IMO. After the 5th person I listed on debuffs....its really a crapshoot who you choose...sk (2k physical mit debuff if you are foolish to raid with one plus noxious debuffs), Warlock, or Mystic I guess. 4) Defilers have a weak debuff on poison and disease...and its very short lived. 5) If thieves guild affected DPS and attack speed debuffs....then I would be all for putting it on a shaman more...but it doesn't affect that. __________________

04-08-2008, 10:32 AM	#5
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Fatuus wrote: Dirge - Debuffs Physical Mitigation about 1.4k and all spell damage about 1k and poison by about 2k Troub - Debuffs versus all spell damage by about 1.3k with aa, and I think mental by 2k Inquistor - Debuffs physical mitigation by about 1.5k with aa and mental damage on a nuke. Templar - Debuffs physical mitigation by around 1.5 to 2k I believe Coercer - Debuffs versus all magical damage by about 1400 and mental damage by up 3500 (if they have the aa spec) Warlock - debuffs versus poison and disease for around 2k I believe At master I it increases the effectiveness of all debuffs by 48%. A coercer can debuff the mob's mitigation versus all types of spell damage by about 1400 with aa. Thieves guild would increase that debuff to be aboue 2200. I agree with this guy pretty much. I go 1st - bard, 2nd - cleric, 3rd - chanter. Some other classes have other good debuffs, but clerics and dirges are the best for debuffing physical mit, and that's the mitigation type I want to be debuffed the most I would also add that if there is a shadowknight acting as a main tank and no bard, I will give him the buff because his taunt debuffs disease mit and he does disease damage...helps him do his job.