Milk is not a liquid.

Laute · 01-24-2008, 10:31 AM

While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that.

Snowdonia · 01-24-2008, 11:10 AM

Laute wrote:

While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that.

Sorry, but YOU deserve ALL levels of hell for trying to make CIDER with milk. /pukeSeriously, if someone gave you a piping hot mug of cider (or ice cold if it was the alcoholic cider) and it had milk in it, would you even consider drinking it? I know I wouldn't. Just the thought of it gives me "Oh that is soooo nasty" shivers.

Zehl_Ice-Fire · 01-24-2008, 11:21 AM

Yeah... they made that update a while back, no more dog spit tea. I remember being upset way back because I had run out of water and recipes were using up milk (more expensive!) and I didn't realize it lol.

Wallzak · 01-24-2008, 01:28 PM

In RL, cooking with milk... and cooking with water.... DIFFERENT!! Try making a nice cream of wild mushroom soup with only water... or... as others have pointed out, cider with milk. I do think you should be able to make cider with milk... and have it give you negative stats/bonks OP on the head.

Meirril · 01-24-2008, 01:50 PM

Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote:

Laute wrote:
While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that.
Sorry, but YOU deserve ALL levels of hell for trying to make CIDER with milk. /pukeSeriously, if someone gave you a piping hot mug of cider (or ice cold if it was the alcoholic cider) and it had milk in it, would you even consider drinking it? I know I wouldn't. Just the thought of it gives me "Oh that is soooo nasty" shivers.

Umm...you don't add liquids to Cider. Cider is pressed apples. Pears if your making perry.

Well, if your adding sugar late in the process you might mix it with hot water to get a more even consistancy. Also you might delute it with water to mellow out the flavor but that is not typical of home made cider. It is typical of factory made though.

Cadori Seraphim · 01-24-2008, 02:03 PM

I really don't care how sick something tastes in real life to you, it has absolutely nothing to do with EQ2. Nor do I log into EQ2 in order to experience real life events.Point the OP was making is, that it states in the recipe that it requires generic liquid. And therefore any liquid *should* be able to work, but doesnt.If they would like specific liquids (in this case water) to be used then it should be listed.

grymmstone · 01-24-2008, 04:36 PM

ummm... Cider with milk seems far less disgusting than some tea made with Loam... Hello Loam=Dirt.

Zehl_Ice-Fire · 01-24-2008, 06:42 PM

Don't forget how yummy these drinks sound that are in game. Mmmmm fish juice!!!

T3

Mountain Man - 2 steppes mountain bean, 1 pig meat, 1 belladonna

T1

Ogre Swill - deer meat, water, baubleshire cabbage

Pond Juice -frog leg, water, root

T7

Flying Freddy - 1 flying fish, 1 xegonberry, 2 Sweet Chai Tea Leaf, 1 squash

T8

sweetened barracuda blood kalish - 1 barracuda meat, 2 sugar, 1 water

Snowdonia · 01-24-2008, 07:22 PM

Meirril wrote:

Umm...you don't add liquids to Cider. Cider is pressed apples. Pears if your making perry.

Ummm... show me where I said you did. SMILEY

I simply said adding milk would be gross.And Sedori, please don't play the "It's a game, not RL and RL has no bearing" card. If that were so we wouldn't have half the recipes we've got, especially in regards to food. Yes, some of the food and drinks are in their own right, fanciful as others here have posted, but it's CIDER and there is cider in real life.And while I got what the OP was saying, that still doesn't change the fact they were consciously attempting to make cider with milk so they got a fun little /tease for it. SMILEY

Calthine · 01-24-2008, 07:27 PM

As I recall, all purchased liquid type thingies would substitute for "liquid" at one time. The problem was that the game only reimburses for fuel costs, and the game would grab the largest stack of liquid. So if the game grabbed Milk or Cream you ended up losing profit because the recipe was using a more expensive purchased item. Seems to me that making those not substitute for "liquid" was a player request.

greenmantle · 01-24-2008, 07:34 PM

Laute wrote:

While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that.

Your assumption is that it is cows milk you are buying which in general is fairly liquid, however as many have pointed out there are few cows compared to the amount of milk available.

Badgers however thrive in most parts of Norrath, this would explain not only the thick consistency of the available milk and the difficulty of using it for trade skills but also the overly proportioned phisiques of those drinking large amounts of milk.

Cadori Seraphim · 01-24-2008, 07:45 PM

Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote:

Meirril wrote:
Umm...you don't add liquids to Cider. Cider is pressed apples. Pears if your making perry.
Ummm... show me where I said you did. " /> I simply said adding milk would be gross.And Sedori, please don't play the "It's a game, not RL and RL has no bearing" card. If that were so we wouldn't have half the recipes we've got, especially in regards to food. Yes, some of the food and drinks are in their own right, fanciful as others here have posted, but it's CIDER and there is cider in real life.And while I got what the OP was saying, that still doesn't change the fact they were consciously attempting to make cider with milk so they got a fun little /tease for it. " />

I will make whatever comment I wish to make that I feel is relevant to the topic. And in this topic people are acting as if recipes should reflect those that are in real life.. when in fact as another poster pointed out, loam = dirt and it wouldn't make sense to make ANY drinks or food with dirt now would it?Everything is based off of life and it's lessons, Not once in any post made on this (or any other forum) did I try and state that it wasn't.However, in a fantasy type game such as this where people take on the roles of gnomes and ogres and dark elves (oh my!), and where you have food/drink recipes that require dirt.. I really don't think one should be complaining that in real life it would taste like crap and therefore the recipe shouldn't take milk.People play these games to *get away* and have *fun*, not to be reminded of real life. At least, I believe most people do.

Vinh · 01-25-2008, 04:58 PM

Since the aeriated water and milk are the same price, I'm not really sure why it matters, but oh well. I have bigger problems I'd like to see get attention first.

Jehannum · 01-25-2008, 05:13 PM

Sidori@Crushbone wrote:

I will make whatever comment I wish to make that I feel is relevant to the topic. And in this topic people are acting as if recipes should reflect those that are in real life.. when in fact as another poster pointed out, loam = dirt and it wouldn't make sense to make ANY drinks or food with dirt now would it?

What about kopi luwak? SMILEY As far as I'm concerned, that's coffee made with dirt... SMILEY

Alternatively, perhaps the drink is made complete with its own mug. SMILEY

01-24-2008, 11:10 AM	#2
Snowdonia Server: Runnyeye Guild: Majestic Rank: Mistress Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 2,212	Laute wrote: While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that. Sorry, but YOU deserve ALL levels of hell for trying to make CIDER with milk. /pukeSeriously, if someone gave you a piping hot mug of cider (or ice cold if it was the alcoholic cider) and it had milk in it, would you even consider drinking it? I know I wouldn't. Just the thought of it gives me "Oh that is soooo nasty" shivers.

01-24-2008, 11:21 AM	#3
Zehl_Ice-Fire Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ / Unrest Posts: 1,858	Yeah... they made that update a while back, no more dog spit tea. I remember being upset way back because I had run out of water and recipes were using up milk (more expensive!) and I didn't realize it lol. __________________ Zehl of Unrest SK DE/Provisioner/Transmuter/Tinkerer, Fashion Police Chief of Norrath & quest freak Deyala: 1/2 Elf brig/Carp/Tinker backstabbing vixen Katayira: DE Inquisitor/Alchemist/Tinker Musette: Evil Pixie Dirge/tailor also max woodworker, jeweler, and armorer ask me for FB

01-24-2008, 01:50 PM	#5
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote: Laute wrote: While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that. Sorry, but YOU deserve ALL levels of hell for trying to make CIDER with milk. /pukeSeriously, if someone gave you a piping hot mug of cider (or ice cold if it was the alcoholic cider) and it had milk in it, would you even consider drinking it? I know I wouldn't. Just the thought of it gives me "Oh that is soooo nasty" shivers. Umm...you don't add liquids to Cider. Cider is pressed apples. Pears if your making perry. Well, if your adding sugar late in the process you might mix it with hot water to get a more even consistancy. Also you might delute it with water to mellow out the flavor but that is not typical of home made cider. It is typical of factory made though.

01-24-2008, 04:36 PM	#7
grymmstone Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Palm Springs, CA Posts: 142	ummm... Cider with milk seems far less disgusting than some tea made with Loam... Hello Loam=Dirt. __________________

01-24-2008, 06:42 PM	#8
Zehl_Ice-Fire Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ / Unrest Posts: 1,858	Don't forget how yummy these drinks sound that are in game. Mmmmm fish juice!!! T3 Mountain Man - 2 steppes mountain bean, 1 pig meat, 1 belladonna T1 Ogre Swill - deer meat, water, baubleshire cabbage Pond Juice -frog leg, water, root T7 Flying Freddy - 1 flying fish, 1 xegonberry, 2 Sweet Chai Tea Leaf, 1 squash T8 sweetened barracuda blood kalish - 1 barracuda meat, 2 sugar, 1 water __________________ Zehl of Unrest SK DE/Provisioner/Transmuter/Tinkerer, Fashion Police Chief of Norrath & quest freak Deyala: 1/2 Elf brig/Carp/Tinker backstabbing vixen Katayira: DE Inquisitor/Alchemist/Tinker Musette: Evil Pixie Dirge/tailor also max woodworker, jeweler, and armorer ask me for FB

01-24-2008, 10:31 AM	#1
Laute Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8	While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that.

01-24-2008, 01:28 PM	#4
Wallzak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 367	In RL, cooking with milk... and cooking with water.... DIFFERENT!! Try making a nice cream of wild mushroom soup with only water... or... as others have pointed out, cider with milk. I do think you should be able to make cider with milk... and have it give you negative stats/bonks OP on the head.

01-24-2008, 02:03 PM	#6
Cadori Seraphim Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 965	I really don't care how sick something tastes in real life to you, it has absolutely nothing to do with EQ2. Nor do I log into EQ2 in order to experience real life events.Point the OP was making is, that it states in the recipe that it requires generic liquid. And therefore any liquid should be able to work, but doesnt.If they would like specific liquids (in this case water) to be used then it should be listed.

01-24-2008, 07:22 PM	#9
Snowdonia Server: Runnyeye Guild: Majestic Rank: Mistress Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 2,212	Meirril wrote: Umm...you don't add liquids to Cider. Cider is pressed apples. Pears if your making perry. Ummm... show me where I said you did. I simply said adding milk would be gross.And Sedori, please don't play the "It's a game, not RL and RL has no bearing" card. If that were so we wouldn't have half the recipes we've got, especially in regards to food. Yes, some of the food and drinks are in their own right, fanciful as others here have posted, but it's CIDER and there is cider in real life.And while I got what the OP was saying, that still doesn't change the fact they were consciously attempting to make cider with milk so they got a fun little /tease for it.

01-24-2008, 07:27 PM	#10
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	As I recall, all purchased liquid type thingies would substitute for "liquid" at one time. The problem was that the game only reimburses for fuel costs, and the game would grab the largest stack of liquid. So if the game grabbed Milk or Cream you ended up losing profit because the recipe was using a more expensive purchased item. Seems to me that making those not substitute for "liquid" was a player request. __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

01-24-2008, 07:34 PM	#11
greenmantle Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 769	Laute wrote: While I gather that milk is not an appropriate substance for some tradeskills, it just seems a little odd that recipes require generic liquid, but won't take milk. If you want, just make them require "aerated mineral water" or something.The point is all moot, of course, because I was trying to make cider with milk, and I think they reserve some level of Hell for that. Your assumption is that it is cows milk you are buying which in general is fairly liquid, however as many have pointed out there are few cows compared to the amount of milk available. Badgers however thrive in most parts of Norrath, this would explain not only the thick consistency of the available milk and the difficulty of using it for trade skills but also the overly proportioned phisiques of those drinking large amounts of milk.

01-24-2008, 07:45 PM	#12
Cadori Seraphim Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 965	Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote: Meirril wrote: Umm...you don't add liquids to Cider. Cider is pressed apples. Pears if your making perry. Ummm... show me where I said you did. " /> I simply said adding milk would be gross.And Sedori, please don't play the "It's a game, not RL and RL has no bearing" card. If that were so we wouldn't have half the recipes we've got, especially in regards to food. Yes, some of the food and drinks are in their own right, fanciful as others here have posted, but it's CIDER and there is cider in real life.And while I got what the OP was saying, that still doesn't change the fact they were consciously attempting to make cider with milk so they got a fun little /tease for it. " /> I will make whatever comment I wish to make that I feel is relevant to the topic. And in this topic people are acting as if recipes should reflect those that are in real life.. when in fact as another poster pointed out, loam = dirt and it wouldn't make sense to make ANY drinks or food with dirt now would it?Everything is based off of life and it's lessons, Not once in any post made on this (or any other forum) did I try and state that it wasn't.However, in a fantasy type game such as this where people take on the roles of gnomes and ogres and dark elves (oh my!), and where you have food/drink recipes that require dirt.. I really don't think one should be complaining that in real life it would taste like crap and therefore the recipe shouldn't take milk.People play these games to get away and have fun, not to be reminded of real life. At least, I believe most people do.

01-25-2008, 04:58 PM	#13
Vinh Server: Unrest Guild: The Guild Rank: Queen Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 169	Since the aeriated water and milk are the same price, I'm not really sure why it matters, but oh well. I have bigger problems I'd like to see get attention first. __________________ Unrest ~~ Dark Elf ~ 80 Inquisitor / 80 Provisioner, Human ~ 80 Dirge / 50 Armorer, High Elf ~ 80 Warlock / 80 Jeweler, Ratonga ~ 70 Necromancer / 80 Carpenter, Froglok ~ 42 Ranger / 18 Weaponsmith, Wood Elf ~ 42 Monk / 36 Woodworker, Half Elf ~ 34 Paladin / 35 Tailor, Fae ~ 49 Mystic / 36 Alchemist, Arasai ~ 49 Warden / 23 Sage Kithicor ~~ Dark Elf ~ 46 Brigand / 20 Jeweler, Gnome ~ 19 Bruiser / 1 Alchemist

01-25-2008, 05:13 PM	#14
Jehannum Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	Sidori@Crushbone wrote: I will make whatever comment I wish to make that I feel is relevant to the topic. And in this topic people are acting as if recipes should reflect those that are in real life.. when in fact as another poster pointed out, loam = dirt and it wouldn't make sense to make ANY drinks or food with dirt now would it? What about kopi luwak? As far as I'm concerned, that's coffee made with dirt... Alternatively, perhaps the drink is made complete with its own mug.