Sacrificial Restoration crithealing broken!

wuut · 11-28-2007, 11:20 AM

Currently Sacrificial Restoration crithealing is broken.

A number of ppl can confirm this on eq2flames, but I was wondering if anyone here could please check their logs, and post their results. Also if you have time, compare overall crithealing pre/post rok launch. Overall it looks like the percentage is WAY lowered, using same gear / spells. (All sacrificial xxx are broken, atleast on my char)

For more info see;

http://www.eq2flames.com/defilers/1...estoration.html

Before you post your results, please consult ACT and notepad on your recent logs, so we don't get a "I feel like it's ok" answer.

Thank you.

Memmoch · 12-02-2007, 03:25 PM

It very well might be broken, though I do see it heal for more than it's max (suggesting it does crit) once or twice a night. If a coder will please look into this though that'd be greatly appreciated. Our single target ward is similar affected by the rate of crits.

djinnz · 12-05-2007, 10:59 PM

yup im def seeing no crits for this SMILEY

also the group ward has no amount listed on it

and are pet is dying to ae's even when its isnt attacking again. vaults and maidens i noticed this in most

they are the 3 bugs i have noted so far in RoK for my defiler

wuut · 01-23-2008, 02:06 PM

Great, they fixed the minor delay a few ppl was experiencing with the ward refresh timers on zoning, but the crithealing for the WHOLE Sacrificial xxx line is still broken.

Imagine if it was the wizards largest nuke that was unable to critnuke. There would be much whining.

Dosnt really seem that any defilers care, or think it's a problem.

If you do think it's a problem, please petition and /bug it daily, it's been broken since rok launch, about [Removed for Content] time it get's fixed imo.

cephastri · 01-24-2008, 01:31 PM

I'll admit I haven't played to a high level as a healer in this game, however I have in others.I don't see this being as big of a problem as a dpsers major attack being broken for one primary reason:As a healer, you do not ever want to be relying on crit heals. In fact they are usually more trouble than they're worth because of extra aggro, or the fact that the crit is wasted - because you shouldn't be healing and hoping for a crit, but rather healing when it's most efficient to without a crit.So unless you can get 100% crits on healing, whether your heals crit or not is not a huge deal.

OpMindcri · 01-24-2008, 02:28 PM

Skiizt@Unrest wrote:

I'll admit I haven't played to a high level as a healer in this game, however I have in others.I don't see this being as big of a problem as a dpsers major attack being broken for one primary reason:As a healer, you do not ever want to be relying on crit heals. In fact they are usually more trouble than they're worth because of extra aggro, or the fact that the crit is wasted - because you shouldn't be healing and hoping for a crit, but rather healing when it's most efficient to without a crit.So unless you can get 100% crits on healing, whether your heals crit or not is not a huge deal.

In the future, please at least play the class before posting about the mechanics of that class. These class forums are here so that people can exchange *reliable* knowledge to better their play experience.

Rather than going into a doctoral thesis on the subject, I will just say that we noticed that something appears to be broken and we would like to see it fixed. SMILEY

cephastri · 01-24-2008, 02:57 PM

I've got a level 15 or so defiler that I'm levelling up as an alt.I agree if it's broken, it should be fixed - however I don't see it as a OMG EVERYONE PANIC kinda deal - as my experience with any other healing class is that crit heals are mostly a fluff thing so you can go 'oooh big number' just like the nukers get.But the other thing is, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of how crit heals work for defilers - then I'd like to see someone tell me where the assumption is wrong, this way I'm able to apply that to when I play.

cggerth · 01-24-2008, 03:47 PM

it's extremely hard to tell if this spell is not criting or is criting. The fact it heals for so much, and usually you are using it rarely (and by the time it finally goes off if it's in a raid most likely someone else has already dropped a heal on the person). Also if the person's health is not low enough to get the full heal amount you won't be able to tell. On a typical raid I might be able to cast that heal once or twice and actually have it heal for it's full amount with more healing needed to be done on it. It's very easy to see if a ward crit is broken as the ward is always the same, heals are not. And like someone said above, if you are relying on your heals to always crit to be able to survive all the time then I pity your group. Yes heal crits are extremely nice and I'd like it fixed if it really is broken, but it's not going to be a class stopping issue if it's not fixed right now. We rely more on our wards then our direct heals.

OpMindcri · 01-24-2008, 06:36 PM

Skiizt@Unrest wrote:

I've got a level 15 or so defiler that I'm levelling up as an alt.I agree if it's broken, it should be fixed - however I don't see it as a OMG EVERYONE PANIC kinda deal - as my experience with any other healing class is that crit heals are mostly a fluff thing so you can go 'oooh big number' just like the nukers get.But the other thing is, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of how crit heals work for defilers - then I'd like to see someone tell me where the assumption is wrong, this way I'm able to apply that to when I play.

From one former SK to what will probably be another...LEVEL FASTER !! SMILEY You are on the verge of going from a raiding leper to a must-have, [Removed for Content] daddy, rock star of the raiding world. Take everything you have learned as a tank(? and apply it towards all those times when you were thinking, "I wish my healer would xxxxxxx" and then do ALL those things as you play your Defiler and you will turn out great.

As far as being a Defiler goes...I'll try to keep it short. Defilers are different from the other healers in that rather than healing after damage is taken, we try to stop as much damage as possible before it even gets to the tank/group. What this means is that very little of our "heals" are wasted because damage must get through our wards before it even shows on the health meters. This basic difference makes crits VERY important to defilers because the *entire* amount of the crit will be applied before any damage is taken. (There is no such thing as "overhealing". If you are pulling aggro because of healing then you need to find a better tank to follow around...) Items that are +healing are also desirable because they apply their full value to our wards and heals.

I understand that the spell in question is a direct heal but it is still relevant to the previous information...

Prior to RoK, a well geared and mastered Defiler could (in raid situations) keep a tank alive with just wards and spend their "free time" debuffing the mob and DPSing. (I have parsed as high as 86% total heals in a zone like LoA) These days, RoK raid mobs don't seem to have much trouble getting through our wards and I find myself casting direct heals during what used to be "free time". For all I know, the spell may have been broken for a long time and we just never noticed because our wards did almost all the work. Considering that I am around 60% crits in raid, that translates to ALOT of HPs (about 500 a shot almost every time I cast that direct heal.) which must then be made up by the MT Templar. All things considered, I'll take whatever I can get as long as it helps me to keep my tank standing... SMILEY

wuut · 01-25-2008, 03:18 PM

Skiizt, if you need help, start your own thread (you obvisously do). It has NOTHNG to do with fluff, and if you think critnukes are fluff also, please consult the mage forums for some hard facts / parses.

Alot of raiding defilers are running with anything from 60 to 100% critheal chance, so yes it does make a huge difference.

The fact that it's been broken since RoK launch, is a complete joke seeing the number of pure cosmetic fixes and useless enhancements that SoE obviously had time to make.

Personally I don't raid that much, but I do alot of grouping / solo content, and occasionally the t8 contested x2's. In trivial group content, you are lucky if your singletarget ward takes 1 hit from a yellow mob. So yes, we need everything fixed and critting as usual to maximize our healing potential.

I'm not asking for alot here, only that healing mechanics are fixed to work as usual...

Hukklebuk · 01-30-2008, 12:43 PM

I'm not noticing that anything has been changed... anyone else?for that matter, I'm still seeing the same basic issue with the single target ward.maybe with today's maintenance?

12-05-2007, 10:59 PM	#3
djinnz Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 146	yup im def seeing no crits for this also the group ward has no amount listed on it and are pet is dying to ae's even when its isnt attacking again. vaults and maidens i noticed this in most they are the 3 bugs i have noted so far in RoK for my defiler

01-24-2008, 02:28 PM	#6
OpMindcri General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21	Skiizt@Unrest wrote: I'll admit I haven't played to a high level as a healer in this game, however I have in others.I don't see this being as big of a problem as a dpsers major attack being broken for one primary reason:As a healer, you do not ever want to be relying on crit heals. In fact they are usually more trouble than they're worth because of extra aggro, or the fact that the crit is wasted - because you shouldn't be healing and hoping for a crit, but rather healing when it's most efficient to without a crit.So unless you can get 100% crits on healing, whether your heals crit or not is not a huge deal. In the future, please at least play the class before posting about the mechanics of that class. These class forums are here so that people can exchange reliable knowledge to better their play experience. Rather than going into a doctoral thesis on the subject, I will just say that we noticed that something appears to be broken and we would like to see it fixed.

01-24-2008, 03:47 PM	#8
cggerth Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 76	it's extremely hard to tell if this spell is not criting or is criting. The fact it heals for so much, and usually you are using it rarely (and by the time it finally goes off if it's in a raid most likely someone else has already dropped a heal on the person). Also if the person's health is not low enough to get the full heal amount you won't be able to tell. On a typical raid I might be able to cast that heal once or twice and actually have it heal for it's full amount with more healing needed to be done on it. It's very easy to see if a ward crit is broken as the ward is always the same, heals are not. And like someone said above, if you are relying on your heals to always crit to be able to survive all the time then I pity your group. Yes heal crits are extremely nice and I'd like it fixed if it really is broken, but it's not going to be a class stopping issue if it's not fixed right now. We rely more on our wards then our direct heals. __________________ Antonia Bayle Defiler

01-24-2008, 06:36 PM	#9
OpMindcri General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21	Skiizt@Unrest wrote: I've got a level 15 or so defiler that I'm levelling up as an alt.I agree if it's broken, it should be fixed - however I don't see it as a OMG EVERYONE PANIC kinda deal - as my experience with any other healing class is that crit heals are mostly a fluff thing so you can go 'oooh big number' just like the nukers get.But the other thing is, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of how crit heals work for defilers - then I'd like to see someone tell me where the assumption is wrong, this way I'm able to apply that to when I play. From one former SK to what will probably be another...LEVEL FASTER !! You are on the verge of going from a raiding leper to a must-have, [Removed for Content] daddy, rock star of the raiding world. Take everything you have learned as a tank(? and apply it towards all those times when you were thinking, "I wish my healer would xxxxxxx" and then do ALL those things as you play your Defiler and you will turn out great. As far as being a Defiler goes...I'll try to keep it short. Defilers are different from the other healers in that rather than healing after damage is taken, we try to stop as much damage as possible before it even gets to the tank/group. What this means is that very little of our "heals" are wasted because damage must get through our wards before it even shows on the health meters. This basic difference makes crits VERY important to defilers because the entire amount of the crit will be applied before any damage is taken. (There is no such thing as "overhealing". If you are pulling aggro because of healing then you need to find a better tank to follow around...) Items that are +healing are also desirable because they apply their full value to our wards and heals. I understand that the spell in question is a direct heal but it is still relevant to the previous information... Prior to RoK, a well geared and mastered Defiler could (in raid situations) keep a tank alive with just wards and spend their "free time" debuffing the mob and DPSing. (I have parsed as high as 86% total heals in a zone like LoA) These days, RoK raid mobs don't seem to have much trouble getting through our wards and I find myself casting direct heals during what used to be "free time". For all I know, the spell may have been broken for a long time and we just never noticed because our wards did almost all the work. Considering that I am around 60% crits in raid, that translates to ALOT of HPs (about 500 a shot almost every time I cast that direct heal.) which must then be made up by the MT Templar. All things considered, I'll take whatever I can get as long as it helps me to keep my tank standing...

01-30-2008, 12:43 PM	#11
Hukklebuk Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 229	I'm not noticing that anything has been changed... anyone else?for that matter, I'm still seeing the same basic issue with the single target ward.maybe with today's maintenance? __________________ Lost............

11-28-2007, 11:20 AM	#1
wuut Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 28	Currently Sacrificial Restoration crithealing is broken. A number of ppl can confirm this on eq2flames, but I was wondering if anyone here could please check their logs, and post their results. Also if you have time, compare overall crithealing pre/post rok launch. Overall it looks like the percentage is WAY lowered, using same gear / spells. (All sacrificial xxx are broken, atleast on my char) For more info see; http://www.eq2flames.com/defilers/1...estoration.html Before you post your results, please consult ACT and notepad on your recent logs, so we don't get a "I feel like it's ok" answer. Thank you.

12-02-2007, 03:25 PM	#2
Memmoch Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 200	It very well might be broken, though I do see it heal for more than it's max (suggesting it does crit) once or twice a night. If a coder will please look into this though that'd be greatly appreciated. Our single target ward is similar affected by the rate of crits.

01-23-2008, 02:06 PM	#4
wuut Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 28	Great, they fixed the minor delay a few ppl was experiencing with the ward refresh timers on zoning, but the crithealing for the WHOLE Sacrificial xxx line is still broken. Imagine if it was the wizards largest nuke that was unable to critnuke. There would be much whining. Dosnt really seem that any defilers care, or think it's a problem. If you do think it's a problem, please petition and /bug it daily, it's been broken since rok launch, about [Removed for Content] time it get's fixed imo.

01-24-2008, 01:31 PM	#5
cephastri General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 33	I'll admit I haven't played to a high level as a healer in this game, however I have in others.I don't see this being as big of a problem as a dpsers major attack being broken for one primary reason:As a healer, you do not ever want to be relying on crit heals. In fact they are usually more trouble than they're worth because of extra aggro, or the fact that the crit is wasted - because you shouldn't be healing and hoping for a crit, but rather healing when it's most efficient to without a crit.So unless you can get 100% crits on healing, whether your heals crit or not is not a huge deal.

01-24-2008, 02:57 PM	#7
cephastri General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 33	I've got a level 15 or so defiler that I'm levelling up as an alt.I agree if it's broken, it should be fixed - however I don't see it as a OMG EVERYONE PANIC kinda deal - as my experience with any other healing class is that crit heals are mostly a fluff thing so you can go 'oooh big number' just like the nukers get.But the other thing is, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of how crit heals work for defilers - then I'd like to see someone tell me where the assumption is wrong, this way I'm able to apply that to when I play.

01-25-2008, 03:18 PM	#10
wuut Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 28	Skiizt, if you need help, start your own thread (you obvisously do). It has NOTHNG to do with fluff, and if you think critnukes are fluff also, please consult the mage forums for some hard facts / parses. Alot of raiding defilers are running with anything from 60 to 100% critheal chance, so yes it does make a huge difference. The fact that it's been broken since RoK launch, is a complete joke seeing the number of pure cosmetic fixes and useless enhancements that SoE obviously had time to make. Personally I don't raid that much, but I do alot of grouping / solo content, and occasionally the t8 contested x2's. In trivial group content, you are lucky if your singletarget ward takes 1 hit from a yellow mob. So yes, we need everything fixed and critting as usual to maximize our healing potential. I'm not asking for alot here, only that healing mechanics are fixed to work as usual...