Sage seeks to understand spell consolidation

dartie · 10-18-2007, 09:17 AM

I read elsewhere on the forums that the devs are looking to consolidate spells to that they are on a 10-level cycle (instead of a 14-level cycle).

I want to know whether this proposed change will only affect spells going forward (level 70+) or if it will affect spells that are already in our recipe books.

If it will affect spells that are already in our recipe books, then will the recipes for those spells simply disappear from our books?

On a semi-related note, I read that we will have to take AD3s to pristine with RoK in order to get the items we are after. I doubt that any sages would pass up the opportunity to make T8 dusts, so I'm not sure whether that will have any noticeable affect on T8 spell crafting. But I confess I do cancel out of T2 ad3s as soon as I reach the first progress bar (since the dust at that tier is practically worthless). Will the new "take-ad3s-to-pristine" rule affect old items in the game, or will it only affect recipes added to the game on a going-forwad basis (like those carpenter recipes that were added according to the new rules)?

Jesdyr · 10-18-2007, 10:55 AM

dartie wrote:

I read elsewhere on the forums that the devs are looking to consolidate spells

From the most recent info I have seen, they decided not to do spell consolidations.

Killerbee3000 · 10-18-2007, 11:09 AM

spell consolidation is delayed, not cancelled.as for the have to take it to pristine thing.... they plan to make you only get something at all if you get it to pristine, i.e. you only get some crap back if you dont take it to pristine.

Calthine · 10-18-2007, 12:23 PM

The original info came from the SOE Fan Faire 2007: Into the Future Panel.Warning: timelines may have changed this that article was published.

Xanrn · 10-18-2007, 12:35 PM

Spell consolidation and the swapping to 10 level progression are different things.

10 level progression is going in with Kunark, spell consolidation is not.

Calthine · 10-18-2007, 12:41 PM

It's been a couple months, but my understanding is T8 will be a 10-level spell span, the rest will change with spell consolidation.

Ganlu · 10-18-2007, 01:34 PM

Calthine wrote:

It's been a couple months, but my understanding is T8 will be a 10-level spell span, the rest will change with spell consolidation.

That would make sense; I wonder how the end T6 spells (57-60) will be handled though? Will we have upgrades available at 67-70 on launch, or will they be on the 14 level span as well?

Nuhus · 10-18-2007, 02:34 PM

When spells no longer exist, which has happened in the past. I suspect they will dissapear from our recipe books. Like the invis spells, they went to having quality levels to a scaling spell, the recipes/drops were no longer.

Prrasha · 10-18-2007, 04:40 PM

Ganluan wrote:

Calthine wrote:
It's been a couple months, but my understanding is T8 will be a 10-level spell span, the rest will change with spell consolidation.
That would make sense; I wonder how the end T6 spells (57-60) will be handled though? Will we have upgrades available at 67-70 on launch, or will they be on the 14 level span as well?

I'm guessing they'll use the 71-80 span to blend from the current 14-level schedule to the new 10-level one... so you'll get upgrades to 57 and some 58 spells at 71, the rest of 58 and some 59 at 72, etc. And the ATs and Bloodlines spells that upgrade need to be cut in somewhere, also. There needs to be a cutover from 14 to 10 somewhere, and backfilling into existing levels seems like more work than necessary. I'm not in beta, tho, so this is just a SWAG.

10-18-2007, 10:55 AM	#2
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	dartie wrote: I read elsewhere on the forums that the devs are looking to consolidate spells From the most recent info I have seen, they decided not to do spell consolidations.

10-18-2007, 11:09 AM	#3
Killerbee3000 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: right behind you Posts: 1,802	spell consolidation is delayed, not cancelled.as for the have to take it to pristine thing.... they plan to make you only get something at all if you get it to pristine, i.e. you only get some crap back if you dont take it to pristine. __________________ Whiskers without loosing Eyes in '08!

10-18-2007, 12:23 PM	#4
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	The original info came from the SOE Fan Faire 2007: Into the Future Panel.Warning: timelines may have changed this that article was published. __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

10-18-2007, 12:35 PM	#5
Xanrn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 458	Spell consolidation and the swapping to 10 level progression are different things. 10 level progression is going in with Kunark, spell consolidation is not. __________________

10-18-2007, 12:41 PM	#6
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	It's been a couple months, but my understanding is T8 will be a 10-level spell span, the rest will change with spell consolidation. __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

10-18-2007, 09:17 AM	#1
dartie Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 354	I read elsewhere on the forums that the devs are looking to consolidate spells to that they are on a 10-level cycle (instead of a 14-level cycle). I want to know whether this proposed change will only affect spells going forward (level 70+) or if it will affect spells that are already in our recipe books. If it will affect spells that are already in our recipe books, then will the recipes for those spells simply disappear from our books? On a semi-related note, I read that we will have to take AD3s to pristine with RoK in order to get the items we are after. I doubt that any sages would pass up the opportunity to make T8 dusts, so I'm not sure whether that will have any noticeable affect on T8 spell crafting. But I confess I do cancel out of T2 ad3s as soon as I reach the first progress bar (since the dust at that tier is practically worthless). Will the new "take-ad3s-to-pristine" rule affect old items in the game, or will it only affect recipes added to the game on a going-forwad basis (like those carpenter recipes that were added according to the new rules)?

10-18-2007, 01:34 PM	#7
Ganlu General Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 315	Calthine wrote: It's been a couple months, but my understanding is T8 will be a 10-level spell span, the rest will change with spell consolidation. That would make sense; I wonder how the end T6 spells (57-60) will be handled though? Will we have upgrades available at 67-70 on launch, or will they be on the 14 level span as well? __________________

10-18-2007, 02:34 PM	#8
Nuhus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,480	When spells no longer exist, which has happened in the past. I suspect they will dissapear from our recipe books. Like the invis spells, they went to having quality levels to a scaling spell, the recipes/drops were no longer. __________________ SOE will kill off EQ2 before it would naturally die.. 11/10/2004-9/19/2010 - for me

10-18-2007, 04:40 PM	#9
Prrasha Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 768	Ganluan wrote: Calthine wrote: It's been a couple months, but my understanding is T8 will be a 10-level spell span, the rest will change with spell consolidation. That would make sense; I wonder how the end T6 spells (57-60) will be handled though? Will we have upgrades available at 67-70 on launch, or will they be on the 14 level span as well? I'm guessing they'll use the 71-80 span to blend from the current 14-level schedule to the new 10-level one... so you'll get upgrades to 57 and some 58 spells at 71, the rest of 58 and some 59 at 72, etc. And the ATs and Bloodlines spells that upgrade need to be cut in somewhere, also. There needs to be a cutover from 14 to 10 somewhere, and backfilling into existing levels seems like more work than necessary. I'm not in beta, tho, so this is just a SWAG.