MANASHIELD must put you in combat

Elephanton · 08-02-2007, 07:23 AM

It is no different from any other wards (like shamans wards).

Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check, absorbs damage - check.

Why it is not putting in combat then?

Cyst · 08-02-2007, 07:24 AM

I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat.

Elephanton · 08-02-2007, 07:33 AM

Demron wrote:

I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat.

Please double check, because my friend reported that it does not put him in combat.

Tae · 08-02-2007, 07:36 AM

Demron wrote:

I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat.

Ahoc attacked me in the Barren Sky. I put on manashield and ran to the pad, and flew off. Didn't put me in combat, or I wouldn't have been able to fly.

Cyst · 08-02-2007, 07:53 AM

Taear@Venekor wrote:

Demron wrote:
I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat.
Ahoc attacked me in the Barren Sky. I put on manashield and ran to the pad, and flew off. Didn't put me in combat, or I wouldn't have been able to fly.

I thought you were a Brigand?

Cyst · 08-02-2007, 08:15 AM

Activating manashield alone doesn't put you into combat, but if anyone does 1 point of damage to you, you're put into combat.

Pumancat · 08-02-2007, 08:28 AM

So you're saying that not only does Ward of Sages put us into combat, but Manashield also?

But why would you cast Manashield before combat starts anyway?

Nyarlath - 70 wizard

Venekor server

Demonkill · 08-02-2007, 11:30 AM

Manashield should not put a mage in combat

ward of sages should not put a mage in combat

frost ward should not put a mage in combat

please fix thanks

Darkor · 08-02-2007, 11:37 AM

Demonkill@Venekor wrote:

Manashield should not put a mage in combat
ward of sages should not put a mage in combat
frost ward should not put a mage in combat
please fix thanks

100 % agree

Norrsken · 08-02-2007, 11:41 AM

Demonkill@Venekor wrote:

Manashield should not put a mage in combat
ward of sages should not put a mage in combat
frost ward should not put a mage in combat
please fix thanks

then neither of them should protect you either. SMILEY

Leorange · 08-02-2007, 11:47 AM

Pumancat wrote:

But why would you cast Manashield before combat starts anyway?

Dunno. I'd wait untill I had 1% Health left and surprise them to death SMILEY

But thats not the point here, what the OP said is: Manashield is like any Shamans ward. Once it shields, it should put in combat. I see no point in trying to get the devs to program otherwise.

From hear-say (mind you, I am not the 70 warlock here) it also seems it works as intended: You really are in combat once used as protection.

Uilamin · 08-02-2007, 11:56 AM

Demonkill@Venekor wrote:

Manashield should not put a mage in combat
ward of sages should not put a mage in combat
frost ward should not put a mage in combat
please fix thanks

If wards, and heals put you into combat so should manashield as it is essentially just a ward.

Ibunubi · 08-02-2007, 12:24 PM

Manashield should put you into combat when you cast it. I think the problem comes with the damage absorption being logged with your damage rather than your heals.

They should make Manashield put you into combat, but fix the ward procs off items to not put you into combat, such as Vultak eye and Sheild of the Magi, or at least give the option to right click cancel them in your buff window because if those wards are up, they don't have the cancel option and any point of damage puts you into combat.

Demonkill · 08-02-2007, 02:30 PM

why should you not be able to fly or zone if you have 3-full grp of fp,s chasing you, if that,s the case, give mages extra speed cause we slow as hell atm

Borias · 08-02-2007, 02:42 PM

Get a horse?

Demonkill · 08-02-2007, 02:45 PM

i have a horse, but what about the ones who aint got one?

Norrsken · 08-02-2007, 02:49 PM

Demonkill@Venekor wrote:

i have a horse, but what about the ones who aint got one?

Do the carpet quest in SS for a free mount? SMILEY

Demonkill · 08-02-2007, 02:54 PM

lol ok whatever, your trying to get that many classes nerfed, your gonna [Removed for Content] the game up more than what it is now, the point of the post is to just stop certain things putting mages into combat, i put extra speed as a suggestion

Scatimus · 08-02-2007, 02:56 PM

"Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check - (FALSE), absorbs damage - check.

Why it is not putting in combat then?"

manashield doesnt cost any mana to cast, it doesnt use mana. manashield makes it so you lose power instead of health. if manashield puts you into combat then so should every other spell that is cast. manashield is not an agressive spell. it doesnt cause damage. if you want manashield to put you into combat then cheetah, evac and every other spell cast should put you into combat.

novok · 08-02-2007, 03:01 PM

Muhaha@Nagafen wrote:

manashield is not an agressive spell. it doesnt cause damage.

This did not fly with out of combat healing so it sure doesn't fly now.

Dh · 08-02-2007, 03:35 PM

ElephantonRU wrote:

It is no different from any other wards (like shamans wards).
Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check, absorbs damage - check.
Why it is not putting in combat then?

make evac put u in combat

make tracking put u in combat

nerf CPUs faster than mine

Norrsken · 08-02-2007, 03:39 PM

Nosiop@Vox wrote:

ElephantonRU wrote:
It is no different from any other wards (like shamans wards).
Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check, absorbs damage - check.
Why it is not putting in combat then?
make evac put u in combat
make tracking put u in combat
nerf CPUs faster than mine

Evac was changed, cant be used in combat. fine. Put me in combat after an evac. wont bother me much since I'll be immune anyways. Tracking? Tracking in no way absorbs damage done to you, or mitigates taking of damage, or does damage to anyone. Its completely passive. Things that are passive shouldnt put you in combat. A skill you turn on to not take damage, and thus avoid dying, should put you in combat. Hell, if lich puts me in combat every few seconds, your [Removed for Content] ubershield should.

novok · 08-02-2007, 03:43 PM

You misunderstand me. I don't give a [I cannot control my vocabulary] one way or another what they do with you manashield. I was merely cutioning that using the very same argument that was used when they were debating whether to do away with OOC healing wasnot going to support your case very well.

Which is also why I did not say anything at all about the rest of your argument.

Norrsken · 08-02-2007, 03:48 PM

Nosiop@Vox wrote:

Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long.
Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless.
Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class.

I play a necro. Where is my [Removed for Content] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts.

Dh · 08-02-2007, 03:49 PM

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:

Nosiop@Vox wrote:
Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long.
Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless.
Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class.
I play a necro. Where is my [I cannot control my vocabulary] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts.

You get control spells like crazy fear and a pet that takes agro off u

Dh · 08-02-2007, 03:49 PM

and heals =P

Norrsken · 08-02-2007, 03:52 PM

Nosiop@Vox wrote:

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:
Nosiop@Vox wrote:
Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long.
Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless.
Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class.
I play a necro. Where is my [I cannot control my vocabulary] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts.
You get control spells like crazy fear and a pet that takes agro off u

I get 1 fear, 1 root and 1 stun. A wizard gets at least 1 root, some snares, and stuns. you get more CC than I do. My tank pet cant hold aggro for .5 seconds against a good pvper. None of my other pets have taunts. and quite honestly, Im better off with any other pet than the tank pet since well, not being targeted for .5 seconds of a fight isnt doing anything for my survivability. and its 1 heal. 2 lifetaps. you do know that all three are negated by basically autoattacks as well right? And oh yeah, you know what? ALL of those put me in combat.

Dh · 08-02-2007, 03:56 PM

At least manashield doesn't make the person just disapear like evac. They end up having no power and prob die anyways. Unless you are camping the clouds in Barren Sky and got mad cas that uber slayer fame made it back to the cloud with 10% health and power after landing in your full group that didn't even render yet.

Droka · 08-02-2007, 05:30 PM

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:

Nosiop@Vox wrote:
Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:
Nosiop@Vox wrote:
Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long.
Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless.
Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class.
I play a necro. Where is my [I cannot control my vocabulary] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts.
You get control spells like crazy fear and a pet that takes agro off u
I get 1 fear, 1 root and 1 stun. A wizard gets at least 1 root, some snares, and stuns. you get more CC than I do. My tank pet cant hold aggro for .5 seconds against a good pvper. None of my other pets have taunts. and quite honestly, Im better off with any other pet than the tank pet since well, not being targeted for .5 seconds of a fight isnt doing anything for my survivability. and its 1 heal. 2 lifetaps. you do know that all three are negated by basically autoattacks as well right? And oh yeah, you know what? ALL of those put me in combat.

Manashield will not even get off if you fight a good pvper, and if for some lucky chance it does, pumice ftw. Good pvpers don't worry about manashield because they know its only delaying their win, not hampering it.

Every wizard knew this would happen, this post, this arguement. It was the same when resists changed around the launch of EoF.

My fix for your complaint is to have soe have roaming, token dropping, pvp npcs, for all the mage gankers out there that cant get their gank on anymore. Problem solved. See that was easy.

Elephanton · 08-02-2007, 05:44 PM

Nosiop@Vox wrote:

Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless.

KK, leave manashield ward as is, but then make my shaman's ward not to put me in the fight as well. I also have long cast timers (3-5sec) / no avoidance / easily interrupted / and on top of this, I cannot do anything what you can call "damage" without laughing. At least, you can 1-2 shot people - true glass cannon.

And not once I was able to remove manashield with pumice at 70. All other crap goes off (magi shielding, buffs etc.) but not manashield.

08-02-2007, 07:33 AM	#3
Elephanton General Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 985	Demron wrote: I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat. Please double check, because my friend reported that it does not put him in combat.

08-02-2007, 07:36 AM	#4
Tae Server: Venekor Guild: Someone Gonna Die Rank: Officer General Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 735	Demron wrote: I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat. Ahoc attacked me in the Barren Sky. I put on manashield and ran to the pad, and flew off. Didn't put me in combat, or I wouldn't have been able to fly.

08-02-2007, 07:53 AM	#5
Cyst Server: Venekor Guild: Circle of Storms Rank: Officer Alt (Raid Capable) Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,609	Taear@Venekor wrote: Demron wrote: I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat. Ahoc attacked me in the Barren Sky. I put on manashield and ran to the pad, and flew off. Didn't put me in combat, or I wouldn't have been able to fly. I thought you were a Brigand?

08-02-2007, 11:37 AM	#9
Darkor Server: Nagafen Guild: Nexus Rank: Ancient and Mummified Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 1,957	Demonkill@Venekor wrote: Manashield should not put a mage in combat ward of sages should not put a mage in combat frost ward should not put a mage in combat please fix thanks 100 % agree __________________ Steal 90 Assassin Darkor 90 Swashbuckler Daerkin 90 Shadowknight Daerkor 90 Templar Ajjantis 90 Warden Melodic 90 Dirge Dayo 90 Monk Rasiel 88 Conjuror Razyeel 70 Wizard Biyon 65 Beastlord

08-02-2007, 11:41 AM	#10
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Demonkill@Venekor wrote: Manashield should not put a mage in combat ward of sages should not put a mage in combat frost ward should not put a mage in combat please fix thanks then neither of them should protect you either. __________________

08-02-2007, 07:23 AM	#1
Elephanton General Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 985	It is no different from any other wards (like shamans wards). Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check, absorbs damage - check. Why it is not putting in combat then?

08-02-2007, 07:24 AM	#2
Cyst Server: Venekor Guild: Circle of Storms Rank: Officer Alt (Raid Capable) Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,609	I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it puts my Warlock into combat.

08-02-2007, 08:15 AM	#6
Cyst Server: Venekor Guild: Circle of Storms Rank: Officer Alt (Raid Capable) Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,609	Activating manashield alone doesn't put you into combat, but if anyone does 1 point of damage to you, you're put into combat.

08-02-2007, 08:28 AM	#7
Pumancat Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 223	So you're saying that not only does Ward of Sages put us into combat, but Manashield also? But why would you cast Manashield before combat starts anyway? Nyarlath - 70 wizard Venekor server

08-02-2007, 11:30 AM	#8
Demonkill Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 32	Manashield should not put a mage in combat ward of sages should not put a mage in combat frost ward should not put a mage in combat please fix thanks

08-02-2007, 11:47 AM	#11
Leorange Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Qeynos, Norrath Posts: 236	Pumancat wrote: But why would you cast Manashield before combat starts anyway? Dunno. I'd wait untill I had 1% Health left and surprise them to death But thats not the point here, what the OP said is: Manashield is like any Shamans ward. Once it shields, it should put in combat. I see no point in trying to get the devs to program otherwise. From hear-say (mind you, I am not the 70 warlock here) it also seems it works as intended: You really are in combat once used as protection. __________________

08-02-2007, 11:56 AM	#12
Uilamin Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 427	Demonkill@Venekor wrote: Manashield should not put a mage in combat ward of sages should not put a mage in combat frost ward should not put a mage in combat please fix thanks If wards, and heals put you into combat so should manashield as it is essentially just a ward.

08-02-2007, 12:24 PM	#13
Ibunubi Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 346	Manashield should put you into combat when you cast it. I think the problem comes with the damage absorption being logged with your damage rather than your heals. They should make Manashield put you into combat, but fix the ward procs off items to not put you into combat, such as Vultak eye and Sheild of the Magi, or at least give the option to right click cancel them in your buff window because if those wards are up, they don't have the cancel option and any point of damage puts you into combat. __________________

08-02-2007, 02:30 PM	#14
Demonkill Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 32	why should you not be able to fly or zone if you have 3-full grp of fp,s chasing you, if that,s the case, give mages extra speed cause we slow as hell atm

08-02-2007, 02:42 PM	#15
Borias Server: Venekor Guild: Shadows of Storm Rank: Lord of Shadows Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 621	Get a horse?

08-02-2007, 02:45 PM	#16
Demonkill Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 32	i have a horse, but what about the ones who aint got one?

08-02-2007, 02:49 PM	#17
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Demonkill@Venekor wrote: i have a horse, but what about the ones who aint got one? Do the carpet quest in SS for a free mount? __________________

08-02-2007, 02:54 PM	#18
Demonkill Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 32	lol ok whatever, your trying to get that many classes nerfed, your gonna [Removed for Content] the game up more than what it is now, the point of the post is to just stop certain things putting mages into combat, i put extra speed as a suggestion

08-02-2007, 02:56 PM	#19
Scatimus Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pa Posts: 42	"Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check - (FALSE), absorbs damage - check. Why it is not putting in combat then?" manashield doesnt cost any mana to cast, it doesnt use mana. manashield makes it so you lose power instead of health. if manashield puts you into combat then so should every other spell that is cast. manashield is not an agressive spell. it doesnt cause damage. if you want manashield to put you into combat then cheetah, evac and every other spell cast should put you into combat.

08-02-2007, 03:01 PM	#20
novok Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 114	Muhaha@Nagafen wrote: manashield is not an agressive spell. it doesnt cause damage. This did not fly with out of combat healing so it sure doesn't fly now. __________________

08-02-2007, 03:35 PM	#21
Dh Server: Nagafen Guild: Champions of Sebilis Rank: Member General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609	ElephantonRU wrote: It is no different from any other wards (like shamans wards). Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check, absorbs damage - check. Why it is not putting in combat then? make evac put u in combat make tracking put u in combat nerf CPUs faster than mine

08-02-2007, 03:39 PM	#22
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Nosiop@Vox wrote: ElephantonRU wrote: It is no different from any other wards (like shamans wards). Takes time to cast - check, uses mana - check, absorbs damage - check. Why it is not putting in combat then? make evac put u in combat make tracking put u in combat nerf CPUs faster than mine Evac was changed, cant be used in combat. fine. Put me in combat after an evac. wont bother me much since I'll be immune anyways. Tracking? Tracking in no way absorbs damage done to you, or mitigates taking of damage, or does damage to anyone. Its completely passive. Things that are passive shouldnt put you in combat. A skill you turn on to not take damage, and thus avoid dying, should put you in combat. Hell, if lich puts me in combat every few seconds, your [Removed for Content] ubershield should. __________________

08-02-2007, 03:43 PM	#23
novok Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 114	You misunderstand me. I don't give a [I cannot control my vocabulary] one way or another what they do with you manashield. I was merely cutioning that using the very same argument that was used when they were debating whether to do away with OOC healing wasnot going to support your case very well. Which is also why I did not say anything at all about the rest of your argument. __________________

08-02-2007, 03:48 PM	#24
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Nosiop@Vox wrote: Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long. Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless. Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class. I play a necro. Where is my [Removed for Content] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts. __________________

08-02-2007, 03:49 PM	#25
Dh Server: Nagafen Guild: Champions of Sebilis Rank: Member General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609	Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: Nosiop@Vox wrote: Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long. Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless. Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class. I play a necro. Where is my [I cannot control my vocabulary] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts. You get control spells like crazy fear and a pet that takes agro off u

08-02-2007, 03:52 PM	#27
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Nosiop@Vox wrote: Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: Nosiop@Vox wrote: Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long. Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless. Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class. I play a necro. Where is my [I cannot control my vocabulary] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts. You get control spells like crazy fear and a pet that takes agro off u I get 1 fear, 1 root and 1 stun. A wizard gets at least 1 root, some snares, and stuns. you get more CC than I do. My tank pet cant hold aggro for .5 seconds against a good pvper. None of my other pets have taunts. and quite honestly, Im better off with any other pet than the tank pet since well, not being targeted for .5 seconds of a fight isnt doing anything for my survivability. and its 1 heal. 2 lifetaps. you do know that all three are negated by basically autoattacks as well right? And oh yeah, you know what? ALL of those put me in combat. __________________

08-02-2007, 03:56 PM	#28
Dh Server: Nagafen Guild: Champions of Sebilis Rank: Member General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609	At least manashield doesn't make the person just disapear like evac. They end up having no power and prob die anyways. Unless you are camping the clouds in Barren Sky and got mad cas that uber slayer fame made it back to the cloud with 10% health and power after landing in your full group that didn't even render yet.

08-02-2007, 05:30 PM	#29
Droka Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 65	Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: Nosiop@Vox wrote: Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: Nosiop@Vox wrote: Mages get procd into fights we dont wanna fight all day long. Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless. Stop effin complaining with your easy mode class. I play a necro. Where is my [I cannot control my vocabulary] manashield? I get long cast timers, low mitigation and easy interrupts. You get control spells like crazy fear and a pet that takes agro off u I get 1 fear, 1 root and 1 stun. A wizard gets at least 1 root, some snares, and stuns. you get more CC than I do. My tank pet cant hold aggro for .5 seconds against a good pvper. None of my other pets have taunts. and quite honestly, Im better off with any other pet than the tank pet since well, not being targeted for .5 seconds of a fight isnt doing anything for my survivability. and its 1 heal. 2 lifetaps. you do know that all three are negated by basically autoattacks as well right? And oh yeah, you know what? ALL of those put me in combat. Manashield will not even get off if you fight a good pvper, and if for some lucky chance it does, pumice ftw. Good pvpers don't worry about manashield because they know its only delaying their win, not hampering it. Every wizard knew this would happen, this post, this arguement. It was the same when resists changed around the launch of EoF. My fix for your complaint is to have soe have roaming, token dropping, pvp npcs, for all the mage gankers out there that cant get their gank on anymore. Problem solved. See that was easy. __________________ Itai - Lvl 80 Wizard Nagafen

08-02-2007, 05:44 PM	#30
Elephanton General Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 985	Nosiop@Vox wrote: Manashield almost makes up for long cast times / no avoidance / no mitagation / easily interrupted long cast times. On top of this, someone can take 2 seconds to cast a pumice stone and render us useless. KK, leave manashield ward as is, but then make my shaman's ward not to put me in the fight as well. I also have long cast timers (3-5sec) / no avoidance / easily interrupted / and on top of this, I cannot do anything what you can call "damage" without laughing. At least, you can 1-2 shot people - true glass cannon. And not once I was able to remove manashield with pumice at 70. All other crap goes off (magi shielding, buffs etc.) but not manashield.