STR vs. AGI vs. WIS - Post GU 36

[TheGReddy]

Ok well since we all know that the WIS line has been nerfed, new calculations must be made in order to see the most uberest of them all. Ill start with the easier of the few...

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Freehand vs. Catalyst-Now we all know that these 2 spells increase the damage on your next spell. But according to information posted in the combat section of the forums, the aprroximate damage increase of a Wizzy/Warlock spell when critted is ~45%. Now after the WIS changes, Freehand only can cap out at 24% damage increase. Now they both have the same recast timer base of 1 minute, but Freehand is instant while Catalyst has a base of 1 second casting timer. Also catalyst has the -19% health sacrafice. To symplify things...

Keeping 19% of your health and a casting speed of -1 second vs. 20% More Damage on your next attack

Id say that Catalyst wins this round....   STR 1, WIS 0

Brainstorm vs. Spell Expertise-Ok well with Brainstorm giving a straight 4% dps increase, that makes things simple for me. SE on the other hand has a cap of 11.7% on spell crit modifier. Using more math from the crit thread... (0.45*0.117=0.05265) A.K.A and increase in damage by 5.265%.

4% dps increase vs. 5.265% dps increase

Seems like Spell Expertise wins this round....  STR 2, WIS 0

Sagacity vs. ?????- Now this is an area where the WIS line tops. How it is going to effect over all ubernesss, not sure... How many points it should get for winning the round by a default, also not sure....

Sagacity comes in with a victory...  STR 2, WIS ?

Overall, STR for more dps but WIS is the more uber if you want more power.... Just hope you have a power regin class in your next raid and Strength takes the win. If you dont then well bleh....

Also as a last note, im not too sure how to calculate the dps increase through the AGI statistically but if one does know how please post. All i can say though is that the reuse speed buff is gonna really help an increase in dps and the casting speed buff really compliments Spell Expertise since the more times you cast, well the more times you crit with a more powerful damage increaser.

Please comment, but kinda nicely

[miliskel]

heres my comparison of the parts of the lines u look at: catalyst vs fhs -  0 wis 1 str brainstorm a 4% increase compared to spell expertise a 12% chance to crit - 1 wis  1 str (criting gains aggro therefore isnt a straight bonus) sagicity vs nothing 1 wis 0 str therefore if u aernt to high on the hate lists with casting order wis 1 str 2 if u get to 2nd on hate list to do max dps then wis 2 str 1.. as a warlock im  going wis int - my aggro is high if i wait a few seconds between each cast and think an ae detaunt fo when o pull aggro on singles or groups or just blast a heck of a load of area damage out and wanna become 3rd on hate instead of 1

[Darien al'Staff]

I wont be changing from agi/wis.  Haven't noticed a significant change, as of yet.

[suroktheslayer5]

I was Str/Agi pre 36 and I liked the combo very much....yeah I lose power very quickly but if the fights arn't long then I'm usualy top dps in raids pickup or guild. Seems to me that the only reason you may want wis is to conserve power. I like seeing the big pretty numbers and able to cast real fast so Str/Agi all the way

[miliskel]

with this gu i am wis int and i cant pull aggro of a 64 tank in sos lol

[simpwrx02]

Straight up if you are not raiding or only doing KoS raids then str/agi will be your max dps,  If you raid EoF the wis/agi is your spec , there is no way around that plain and simple.  KoS raid almsot no fight takes over 2 minutes.  EoF Treyloth in FTH ~5-10 minutes  Malkonis 5-10 minutes.  Clockwork Meanance  it is a chain pull zone so about 12 minutes of straight fighting.  MMiS stupid trash has 5 million hit points and take 3-8 minutes depending on raid force. Mayong 5-15 minutes depending on raid force and he power drain.  EH well a lot of long fights and a few also have power drains.  Every single EoF zone requires good power conservation imho and wis is the instant winner and from the testing i did I lost about 4-6% dps when I switched from agi/wis to agi/str pre GU 36, so I think the actual damage output is similiar, and wis may still edge out str but it is real close.

Catalyst vs freehnad imho is a lot closer than you make it out to be use ice nova say 10K damage  freehand and brain storming combined 4% +22% =26% increase or 2600 toal ice nova lands for 12600  catalcyst is say 4500 and ice nova lands for 14,500.  however add in the cast /recover of catalyst .  freehand .5 recover and 4 second for ice nova  or 4.5 second for 12600 if you do not crit personally I have 15% crit chance in raids agi/wis specced, or it is 2800  dps, cataylst a 1.5 cast/recover 4 sec IN 2654 dps.  doh for got to add in recover of ice nova  so freehand dps is 2520dps and catalyst is 2416 dps, if the catalyst one crits then it was a waste, if the freehand one crits then it becomes 18270 damage or 3654 dps.  SO personally I think that freehand beats out Catalyst.

All numbers are based off of a 10,000 unmodifed ice nova and a 45% increase from a crit.

So imho catalyst vs freehand>>> freehand is better and blows away catalytst if it crits

Spell expertise >brainstorming

sagaicity > than nothing

so I see it as wis 2 str 1  add in the fact that str will be easier to attain aggro with which is another point for wis if that is a factor in your raid.

[TheGReddy]

Catalyst has a one second casting timer and im pretty sure its recovery is instant, but ill have to double check that.

Also i usually have a hate decreaser type in my group, usually a pally. that is a minus 41% hate right there whether you are critting or not.

Also again i do see your point on how power really helps during those long fights in EoF....

[Dextera]

From the math that I've seen done, with the new changes STR = WIS now. It all depends on your playstyle (burst vs sustained DPS.) Personally, I'm going with WIS because of the prolonged fights in EoF raids. =)

[TheGReddy]

Yes i just looked it up and Catalyst does have an instant recovery timer. So the only way Freehand could match up to Catalyst would be if you critted it, but the chances of critting it are pretty slim unless you have the STR line where this conversation would be totally useless, you had a bard with Dont Kill the Messenger, or just have a bunch of gear that increases the crit rate.

[simpwrx02]

I roll with 8% crit all the time with common items, I will raise it to 10 when I get some more thing for transmuting to add 1% crit adornments to my secondary/ranged items.  I almost always have a troub in my group for deaggro/ DKTM, I crit ice nova all the time. When I was specced str I was at 27% crit chance in raids pop a crit potion and now I am at 31% boots of terrot and now 33%, now catalyst becomes a question on if it actually did anythign other than delay my cast by 1 second and take 20% health.  With freehadn you know you always get the results freehand.

I tired the str/agi for the last 2-3 weeks it gave good dps, not what my agi/wis prenerf gave, but it was still respecatable,  And I think now that the wis/agi will be almost the same as str/agi, and str/wis will be a little bit less as agi gives the biggest bump to dps.. Basically SoE almost balanced the 3 dps choices which is a good thing, except instead of nerfing the best they shoudl have the other 2 match it.

I personally will stay agi/wis.  Oh and from my last raid freehand has no recovery either.

[TheGReddy]

I just tried out STR AGI yesterday. My parse was kinda spikey with sometimes getting 500 dps more than the others or staying relatively in the middle, but it was i little higher than the norm.

But it was a KoS raid so ill find out tonight if it is the right setup...

So far im guessing use STR/AGI for new up and coming raiders and WIS/AGI for more experienced end game raiders.