How to outparse a shaman?

[Thunderthyze]

How is it that a Templar can out do a shaman on a heal parse in a raid with both in the MT group? I'm not bitter  but if my wards are up at all times how can it possibly be that reactive healing can exceed what I appear to be warding against? Surely in order for a heal to kick in my wards need to have been used up and as such will be clicking up at all times whereas the Templar should only be healing the overflow?

I can Bolster, Torpor, ST ward and Oberon Barrier and  by the time the OB wears off my ST ward may STILL be in effect and yet the Templar has out healed me on the parse. Is this a error on the part of ACT or is there something else going on in the encounter that is not immediately apparent?

This effect does NOT appear to occur with any other healing classes apart from the pesky Templars!

[AziBam]

Unlike our "normal" wards, I'm not convinced that Oberon Barrier is at the top of the heap for incoming damage.  I've noted heals (not mine) going off on my OB target while I have been viewing the icon to watch how many points of warding are left and it isn't at zero.  If it worked like Aegis for example, it should read zero before I see another healers green numbers but that hasn't always been the case.  Usually, the most heal points on our raids have come from myself and the templar with me in MT group.  (In most cases I'm on the top but he isn't far behind.  I don't worry about it too much.  I know that my contribution to the overall raid via debuffing is really more important than where I sit on the heal numbers.)

[Thunderthyze]

Totally agree with you....I'm not bothered unless the raid is going down. Unfortunately there is no real official measure of our usefulness. It just seems odd that I can out heal parse any other healer, including Inquisitors, but Templars seem to be able to get theirs' in first. Maybe I should be posting this on the ACT website forum....lol

[SonnyA]

Could be a group heal. They can advance you pretty fast on the heal parse.

[wushupork]

Well with Templars they get a few other tools to help heal, completely passively (pictured below). Not to mention they could have been pouring out heals to other targets while waiting for their reactives to work through. Was all the templar's healing in this case done on the MT? 

Just out of curiousity, is there another mystic there to debuff while you're in oberon stun?

[Rayche]

In our raids Templars typically handle healing our group from AE damage while I focus on Debuffing the mob and warding/boosting the main tank. It's no surprise that the Templars of Furies can out parse you. I throw a group heal about 10 times total on a given raid.

[Kizee]

If a shaman isn't topping the heal parse 90% of the time then they are doing something wrong.

There are only a few magic based AoE mobs that I can decimate shamans on. Every other one I have to throw in all my tricks to parse close to them.

[Finora]

Templars have some things in their pocket that we do not have. Our wards may be up on the MT/and MT group 100% of the time, but templars have a heal that can heal raid wide and some other things like some sort of power usage converted to a heal thing they can do.

It will also depend on your raid's make up as well. Our MT templar will out parse my healing by at least a little just about every raid.  Doesn't bother me at all though, I'm the only shaman and I'm spending a bit of time on debuffing every fight. He also has faster casting through gear and stuff, so if there is a spot heal needed he can whip one out faster than I can.

[Kizee]

Finora wrote:

Templars have some things in their pocket that we do not have. Our wards may be up on the MT/and MT group 100% of the time, but templars have a heal that can heal raid wide and some other things like some sort of power usage converted to a heal thing they can do.

It will also depend on your raid's make up as well. Our MT templar will out parse my healing by at least a little just about every raid.  Doesn't bother me at all though, I'm the only shaman and I'm spending a bit of time on debuffing every fight. He also has faster casting through gear and stuff, so if there is a spot heal needed he can whip one out faster than I can.

Yeah, just imagine how much templars would suck if they didn't have those other things.

With all those spells up I still can't beat a shaman most of the time since they block most of the reactive procs.

[Finora]

Like I said =) I'm very very often concentrating on debuffs just as much as I am on healing. I will only end up healing the MT most of the time while the templar with his fewer debuffs will be healing the group/raid the whole time. If we had a second shaman on debuffing or something, it might work out differently. /shrug

And any templar that 'sucks' at healing ought to roll another class =)

[Mystiq]

Wards don't block reactive procs if the target's health is below 100%, and it only takes a split second for damage to be registered, and heals applied, after a ward falls off. Chaining wards on the MT to top the heal parse shouldn't be a shaman's priority during a raid anyway.

[Kizee]

Mystique wrote:

Wards don't block reactive procs if the target's health is below 100%, and it only takes a split second for damage to be registered, and heals applied, after a ward falls off. Chaining wards on the MT to top the heal parse shouldn't be a shaman's priority during a raid anyway.

If the mob doesn't hit hard enough to break thru the ward before the ward gets reapplied then my reactives go to waste (when the tank is at full health). Alot of the times I watch my reactives expire with only 1 or 2 charges fired.....thats alot of healing wasted. (and annoying as hell)

How many buffs do mystics have? I have 3 with a 4th I put up near end of fight.

[wushupork]

It really comes down to coordinating with the other healers. If the mob isn't doing enough damage to knock off my wards before I re-apply em then I'll just save my power and leave it off until there *is* enough damage coming in. Heck, just making sure all your debuffs are in makes any other healer's job so much easier often times (raid trash) I hardly ever have to ward aside from initial pull and throwing torpor out there to help smooth out any damage spikes.

Side note: Welcome back from retirement Mystique

[Paddyo]

As far as I know, reverence, which matches 210% of power the target spends as a heal to itself, doesnt show up in my parse.  So I'm not getting credit for it.  We get 2 "reverse damage shields" that can heal, one of which when it procs heals all targets in the area of effect.  When this got changed to that, and with EOF going live and the blessings AA which ups procs and spell procs for my group, my heal parse went up dramatically.  Still, I wasnt topping the defiler and the warden in our main tank group at the time, both of whom I consider to be at the top of their game on our server. 

[Ordate]

Honestly folks, a heal parse means nothing.  Some group heals even if they don't do a bit of healing get counted to full effect, "ward blocking", and a host of other things really don't tell you how much damage you helped mitigate compared to other classes.  I've never seen anyone calculate the heal savings of lamenting soul, shrieking haze, or how much damage a rogue prevents with traumatic swipe.  But they all do mitigate incoming damage.

If you want to know how "well" you are doing examine how you play.  If someone dies, ask yourself could I have done things differently.  Look at your own parses for releveant info such as how much damage was this mob putting out without my debuffs on vs. with.  What should you have cast in what order when the necro calls lifeburn and your debuffs are soon falling.  Examine your own results and improve on those.

[Finora]

So true Ordate. =)