SOGA

crookshan · 06-03-2007, 06:59 PM

Just wondering if anyone knows the deal with SOGA. Personally I play with SOGA on and when I first started playing with those graphics I kept reading threads that said dev's disbanded SOGA and were not going to work on fixing the the graphic issues SOGA had (staffs through the head while on the griffon, beards through armor while sitting).

EoF Fae's done in SOGA, RoK Sunarks they say are going to be SOGA. So is this meaning that the SOGA team is back in business and maybe I can expect see the current glitches fixed anytime soon?

selch · 06-03-2007, 07:34 PM

Sunarks wont be SOGA, they are beast. SOGA team never made any beast model. I just SOGA team never to step inside EQ2 ever again, with their horrible less detailed manga textures. They suck at outdoors too lately.

Seraki · 06-04-2007, 12:44 AM

I was here before soga models and when they came on. Im not speaking for the dev team but here is the situation as I understood it.

Soga was never a part of the EQ2 dev team in the western version of the game. They brought them in for a short time to add the Soga models to this version of the game as an option. Because the models are not made by our dev team it was decided that after a short time ( I believe there were a few fixes made to them early on) there would be no alterations to the optional models.

While its true that they did some help on Neriak ( I figure because maybe our team was already working on RoK just a guess), once again they were not part of our dev team. I belive they have their own work to do and think they might even have a web site somewhere.

edit: Oh yeh.. as I understood it the fay are not made by soga ether.

Kenozh · 06-04-2007, 09:36 AM

first off: they're called sarnaks... second: faes and arasais only have a soga model head, the body is from the old design, at least i don't remember the weird anatomy on my fae which is present on any soga model

KunamitsuUK · 06-04-2007, 11:18 AM

So SOGA is hated!!

I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great.

selch · 06-04-2007, 11:35 AM

KunamitsuUK wrote:

So SOGA is hated!!
I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great.

You are confusing...

SOGA = Alternate Models

And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game.

Rast · 06-04-2007, 11:40 AM

Personally, I only use the SOGA(AA) models, the originals look horrid to me

jagermonsta · 06-04-2007, 11:41 AM

IMO, remove SOGA. SMILEY

Armawk · 06-04-2007, 01:02 PM

SOGA are the only way to get faces that arent made of potatoes.

Jal · 06-04-2007, 01:09 PM

Why is this another Hate/Love SOGA thread? We know people have different tastes and we know people dont think the same about the designs.

Velsha · 06-04-2007, 01:24 PM

This is what happens when people aren't allowed to resurrect old threads. The forum keeps vomiting new ones that cover the same topics over and over again.

Skua · 06-04-2007, 01:56 PM

i only use soga models SMILEY

( i like some original models but i prefer s oga SMILEY

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Finora · 06-04-2007, 06:16 PM

Funny thing is the thread didn't start out as a love/hate SOGA (which I hope to NEVER see another other, that horse is now wormfood, no more zombie horses please!).

Some guy just thinks that fae are soga(which they aren't really, body most definately isn't soga) and Sarnak are soga and was hoping that it might mean some bug fixes for all the nastly bugs there are with the SOGA models.

For the OP though, I don't think the SOGA studios were ever dissolved ( they did do work on Fallen Dynasty and most recently some work on Neriak and Darklight Woods). I do recall the devs saying that they were not going to be fixing bugs with the SOGA models because they didn't have the stuff to do so. They said something to the effect that if bugs with those models were going to be fixed it would be by the SOGA people not the ones in California.

Some of the more horrible bugs with them have been fixed, a lot of others still are around. Who knows if they'll ever get another look. Perhaps whenever the long lived rumor of reworking skeletons comes true.

KerowynnKaotic · 06-04-2007, 07:22 PM

Don't think SOGA exists in it's original form anymore. SOGA was created as co-op between Sony and GAsomethingIcan'tremember. To create a more local appeal for the Asian release of EQ2.

Since, SOE have been closing down the Asian servers, I'm going to go out a limb and say it was an absolute failure. SMILEY

We all still call them the "SOGA" team but I think they are something different, now.

The Fae/Arasai are a mesh of the 2 styles. Our Art Team (US/SOE) decided to do that probably so they wouldn't have to listen to more people complaining about which looks better.

The Sarnaks are (apparently) being created using the new skeleton system but they aren't SOGA "type". They resemble the original EQ1 Sarnaks.

SOGA aka Alternative Models were given to the US Servers due to "overwhelming demand". I liken it to the popular vote that has elected the last few presidents ...

SMILEY

Siogai · 06-04-2007, 09:12 PM

SOGA was created as co-op between Sony and GAsomethingIcan'tremember.

Sony Online Gaming: Asia. At least, that is how I remember the acronym being defined.

Chay · 06-04-2007, 10:24 PM

I'm thinking that when the OP put this in "Look and Feel" it became another Original vs SOGA thread. I wont state my opinion as I've stated it numerous threads already. I've not read where the SOGA team has been disbanded but I've not been looking for it. If it was disbanded or discontinued then I'm not really surprised. Companies try a variety of marketing approaches and sometimes move on.

KunamitsuUK · 06-05-2007, 08:22 AM

selch wrote:

KunamitsuUK wrote:
So SOGA is hated!!
I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great.
You are confusing...
SOGA = Alternate Models
And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game.

Sorry, because I have always used the SOGA models I call the others alternate!

Vonotar · 06-05-2007, 08:35 AM

For a "disbanded" company/department they made a very good job with Neriak. SOGA appears to be alive and well, hopefully the debate over models will disappear once new models based on the new skeletons appear. I just hope that the new models doesn't cause a forced change back to original-like models for those who prefer Soga.

selch · 06-05-2007, 08:52 AM

KunamitsuUK wrote:

selch wrote:
KunamitsuUK wrote:
So SOGA is hated!!
I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great.
You are confusing...
SOGA = Alternate Models
And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game.
Sorry, because I have always used the SOGA models I call the others alternate!

UI does not say it. It is like "Just because I don't like it, I'll call U.S.A as Great Britain"

SOGA models are alternate models, will be like that, never will get priority. Just deal with it.

KunamitsuUK · 06-06-2007, 05:11 AM

selch wrote:

KunamitsuUK wrote:
selch wrote:
KunamitsuUK wrote:
So SOGA is hated!!
I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great.
You are confusing...
SOGA = Alternate Models
And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game.
Sorry, because I have always used the SOGA models I call the others alternate!
UI does not say it. It is like "Just because I don't like it, I'll call U.S.A as Great Britain"
SOGA models are alternate models, will be like that, never will get priority. Just deal with it.

Erm, buddy! Why all the hate, I was apologising! you really need to calm down, its easy for people to come on a board and start flaming faceless people but I dont need the boost to my self esteem! I was apologising there not being pedantic.

06-03-2007, 07:34 PM	#2
selch Lord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 1,305	Sunarks wont be SOGA, they are beast. SOGA team never made any beast model. I just SOGA team never to step inside EQ2 ever again, with their horrible less detailed manga textures. They suck at outdoors too lately. __________________

06-04-2007, 11:35 AM	#6
selch Lord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 1,305	KunamitsuUK wrote: So SOGA is hated!! I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great. You are confusing... SOGA = Alternate Models And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game. __________________

06-04-2007, 11:40 AM	#7
Rast General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,805	Personally, I only use the SOGA(AA) models, the originals look horrid to me __________________ Ancient Council Jalathan T'Varik (90 Paladin) Rhapsodee Windsong (90 Troubador) Garaok (90 Brigand) Tytherian (90 Templar) Shaydroth (51 Illusionist) Raston Roderick (28 Assassin) Saphyrria (21 Warlock) Concordia Discors Jalathe Stoneshield (34 Guardian)

06-04-2007, 01:56 PM	#12
Skua General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 660	i only use soga models ( i like some original models but i prefer s oga &nbsp __________________ English isnt my 1 language !!!! My spelling sux i know

06-04-2007, 06:16 PM	#13
Finora Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,423	Funny thing is the thread didn't start out as a love/hate SOGA (which I hope to NEVER see another other, that horse is now wormfood, no more zombie horses please!). Some guy just thinks that fae are soga(which they aren't really, body most definately isn't soga) and Sarnak are soga and was hoping that it might mean some bug fixes for all the nastly bugs there are with the SOGA models. For the OP though, I don't think the SOGA studios were ever dissolved ( they did do work on Fallen Dynasty and most recently some work on Neriak and Darklight Woods). I do recall the devs saying that they were not going to be fixing bugs with the SOGA models because they didn't have the stuff to do so. They said something to the effect that if bugs with those models were going to be fixed it would be by the SOGA people not the ones in California. Some of the more horrible bugs with them have been fixed, a lot of others still are around. Who knows if they'll ever get another look. Perhaps whenever the long lived rumor of reworking skeletons comes true. __________________ Lady Finora Mystic of Prism Everfrost(Grobb) Finora of Valiant Knights Test Server

06-03-2007, 06:59 PM	#1
crookshan General Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 26	Just wondering if anyone knows the deal with SOGA. Personally I play with SOGA on and when I first started playing with those graphics I kept reading threads that said dev's disbanded SOGA and were not going to work on fixing the the graphic issues SOGA had (staffs through the head while on the griffon, beards through armor while sitting). EoF Fae's done in SOGA, RoK Sunarks they say are going to be SOGA. So is this meaning that the SOGA team is back in business and maybe I can expect see the current glitches fixed anytime soon?

06-04-2007, 12:44 AM	#3
Seraki Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192	I was here before soga models and when they came on. Im not speaking for the dev team but here is the situation as I understood it. Soga was never a part of the EQ2 dev team in the western version of the game. They brought them in for a short time to add the Soga models to this version of the game as an option. Because the models are not made by our dev team it was decided that after a short time ( I believe there were a few fixes made to them early on) there would be no alterations to the optional models. While its true that they did some help on Neriak ( I figure because maybe our team was already working on RoK just a guess), once again they were not part of our dev team. I belive they have their own work to do and think they might even have a web site somewhere. edit: Oh yeh.. as I understood it the fay are not made by soga ether.

06-04-2007, 09:36 AM	#4
Kenozh Server: Valor Guild: Feral Fires Rank: Raidleader Lord Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 27	first off: they're called sarnaks... second: faes and arasais only have a soga model head, the body is from the old design, at least i don't remember the weird anatomy on my fae which is present on any soga model

06-04-2007, 11:18 AM	#5
KunamitsuUK Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 175	So SOGA is hated!! I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great.

06-04-2007, 11:41 AM	#8
jagermonsta Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304	IMO, remove SOGA.

06-04-2007, 01:02 PM	#9
Armawk Server: Everfrost Guild: Nos Es Rutilus Rank: Tirones Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,240	SOGA are the only way to get faces that arent made of potatoes.

06-04-2007, 01:09 PM	#10
Jal General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,345	Why is this another Hate/Love SOGA thread? We know people have different tastes and we know people dont think the same about the designs.

06-04-2007, 01:24 PM	#11
Velsha General Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lucan D'Lere Posts: 139	This is what happens when people aren't allowed to resurrect old threads. The forum keeps vomiting new ones that cover the same topics over and over again.

06-04-2007, 07:22 PM	#14
KerowynnKaotic Tormentor of Fae Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Arizona Posts: 1,862	Don't think SOGA exists in it's original form anymore. SOGA was created as co-op between Sony and GAsomethingIcan'tremember. To create a more local appeal for the Asian release of EQ2. Since, SOE have been closing down the Asian servers, I'm going to go out a limb and say it was an absolute failure. We all still call them the "SOGA" team but I think they are something different, now. The Fae/Arasai are a mesh of the 2 styles. Our Art Team (US/SOE) decided to do that probably so they wouldn't have to listen to more people complaining about which looks better. The Sarnaks are (apparently) being created using the new skeleton system but they aren't SOGA "type". They resemble the original EQ1 Sarnaks. SOGA aka Alternative Models were given to the US Servers due to "overwhelming demand". I liken it to the popular vote that has elected the last few presidents ... __________________

06-04-2007, 09:12 PM	#15
Siogai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	SOGA was created as co-op between Sony and GAsomethingIcan'tremember. Sony Online Gaming: Asia. At least, that is how I remember the acronym being defined.

06-04-2007, 10:24 PM	#16
Chay General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 490	I'm thinking that when the OP put this in "Look and Feel" it became another Original vs SOGA thread. I wont state my opinion as I've stated it numerous threads already. I've not read where the SOGA team has been disbanded but I've not been looking for it. If it was disbanded or discontinued then I'm not really surprised. Companies try a variety of marketing approaches and sometimes move on. __________________

06-05-2007, 08:22 AM	#17
KunamitsuUK Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 175	selch wrote: KunamitsuUK wrote: So SOGA is hated!! I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great. You are confusing... SOGA = Alternate Models And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game. Sorry, because I have always used the SOGA models I call the others alternate!

06-05-2007, 08:35 AM	#18
Vonotar Server: Butcherblock Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,697	For a "disbanded" company/department they made a very good job with Neriak. SOGA appears to be alive and well, hopefully the debate over models will disappear once new models based on the new skeletons appear. I just hope that the new models doesn't cause a forced change back to original-like models for those who prefer Soga.

06-05-2007, 08:52 AM	#19
selch Lord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 1,305	KunamitsuUK wrote: selch wrote: KunamitsuUK wrote: So SOGA is hated!! I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great. You are confusing... SOGA = Alternate Models And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game. Sorry, because I have always used the SOGA models I call the others alternate! UI does not say it. It is like "Just because I don't like it, I'll call U.S.A as Great Britain" SOGA models are alternate models, will be like that, never will get priority. Just deal with it. __________________

06-06-2007, 05:11 AM	#20
KunamitsuUK Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 175	selch wrote: KunamitsuUK wrote: selch wrote: KunamitsuUK wrote: So SOGA is hated!! I have always used SOGA, never played original models as someone got me into EQ2 and set it up for me, I have looked at the alternate models and I think they are horrible, humans have putty faces etc, terrible, the only Non SOGA I use is for Ogres, the original Ogre model is great. You are confusing... SOGA = Alternate Models And no, I don't hate SOGA team, I basically hate making artwork cheap. SOGA makes them cheap (currency wise) and destroys the feeling of western game. Sorry, because I have always used the SOGA models I call the others alternate! UI does not say it. It is like "Just because I don't like it, I'll call U.S.A as Great Britain" SOGA models are alternate models, will be like that, never will get priority. Just deal with it. Erm, buddy! Why all the hate, I was apologising! you really need to calm down, its easy for people to come on a board and start flaming faceless people but I dont need the boost to my self esteem! I was apologising there not being pedantic.