Neriak lifted from Vanguard?

Thunderthyze · 05-25-2007, 03:46 AM

Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? SMILEY

Bawang · 05-25-2007, 03:49 AM

That reminds me....I think my wife lifted my wallet SMILEY

Zyphe · 05-25-2007, 05:33 AM

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?

SOGA? What the hell are you talking about?

Jal · 05-25-2007, 05:38 AM

Kekeloko@Guk wrote:

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:
Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?
SOGA? What the hell are you talking about?

SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things.

Kelfizzle · 05-25-2007, 05:39 AM

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?

No. I think Sigil (BMQ) "stole" the idea and style from Everquest 1. Not EQ2 from Sigil. Do you know EQ1 ?

Zyphe · 05-25-2007, 05:50 AM

Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote:

Kekeloko@Guk wrote:
Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:
Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?
SOGA? What the hell are you talking about?
SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things.

So SOGA designed Neriak? That explains a lot. I was wondering why a fallen dynasty model was used in the newbie area. Seems extremely out of place, and lazy. But what's new?

mee · 05-25-2007, 10:38 AM

Actually it reminded me of EQ1's Neriak, which is good since it's supposed to. Was neat to go into buildings I recognized and even see the glowing eye had survived. SMILEY

liveja · 05-25-2007, 10:45 AM

Kekeloko@Guk wrote:

So SOGA designed Neriak?

No. SOGA did "first pass" work on concept art created by SOE.

bensilvi · 05-25-2007, 10:56 AM

Kekeloko@Guk wrote:

Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote:
Kekeloko@Guk wrote:
Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:
Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?
SOGA? What the hell are you talking about?
SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things.
So SOGA designed Neriak? That explains a lot. I was wondering why a fallen dynasty model was used in the newbie area. Seems extremely out of place, and lazy. But what's new?

Yeah it is almost identical to the Fallen Dynasty, even in Nerial there are human children and they look like they are visiting from the Fallen Dynasty. I felt compelled to ask them if they would like a Hershey Bar.

Althena · 05-25-2007, 11:21 AM

Doesn't look anything like the gnome city in vanguard at all.... but it resembles the Neriak in EQ1 quite a bit SMILEY

(even the glowing neon floaty designs in the waterfalls) Reusing appropriate models and items is not lazy, it's good use of development time to release new content imho.

theplayer0670 · 05-25-2007, 12:44 PM

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?

Umm no

I think its copied from EQ1, you know the original place NERIAK existed. That gives too much credit to Vanguard.

Have you played EQ1?

VizP · 05-25-2007, 12:51 PM

Vanwhat? You have to be kidding me - does Brad have to hold up a big sign of 'I surrender, I clearly do not have an idea what MMO consumers these days want' from losses on his 'Vanguard' pet project that so dramatically failed before people realise that there really is nothing in that huge dungheap of a game that anyone would want to copy 'anywhere' if they wish to be a success? Neriak is based on 'Neriak' which happened to be in the game that preceded EQ2. Was called Everquest 1 actually. It looks quite a lot like 'that' SMILEY

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 05-25-2007, 12:54 PM

Actually Neriak kinda looks like Neriak from EQ1....

Seraki · 05-26-2007, 01:41 AM

Im gonna second the above post ... it looks like Neriak .. from eq1

Zabjade · 05-26-2007, 04:40 AM

Although for the kids they should have made them Youngling Dark elves even if they are in the New Foreign Quarter.

Kursa · 05-27-2007, 12:34 AM

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?

only thing that reminds me of vanguard is my dogs crap outside whenever I walk him

But, seriously...no it actually looks like the original Neriak style from EQ. If anything, Brad took the idea from EQ...after all ...he desperately tried to make another EQ clone.

Kursa · 05-27-2007, 12:36 AM

Kekeloko@Guk wrote:

Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote:
Kekeloko@Guk wrote:
Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:
Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil?
SOGA? What the hell are you talking about?
SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things.
So SOGA designed Neriak? That explains a lot. I was wondering why a fallen dynasty model was used in the newbie area. Seems extremely out of place, and lazy. But what's new?

That look actually predates Fallen Dynasty by ...oh....seven years. Neriak always had an oriental twist to it. It's nothing new. You guys should play EQ....then you'll see what Im talking about

selch · 05-27-2007, 09:11 PM

SOGA team definitely needs to back-off from EQ2

Polywogus · 05-28-2007, 09:21 AM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a...936/3rdGate.jpg ^^Link to where all the sexy DE Necromancers & Shadowknights started in Neriak Third Gate. If that isn't an Asian influence... Was fun going back to take that shot. *Whimsical*

Kursa · 05-29-2007, 10:20 AM

selch wrote:

SOGA team definitely needs to back-off from EQ2

that's what Neriak is suppose to look like! It's from the EQ1 Neriak. Has nothing to do with SOGA

Jal · 05-29-2007, 10:33 AM

selch wrote:

SOGA team definitely needs to back-off from EQ2

Id like to see them do more, Mara and Neriak so far are brilliant zones.

curtcleancut · 05-29-2007, 10:51 AM

Resembles the city from the original Everquest. Good JoB SOE & thank you! As a note I just got a friend to play from the original EQ. She was playing WOW. The timing was perfect.

Chay · 05-31-2007, 03:03 PM

Neriak was lifted from EQ1. Not entirely successfully. I was hoping for something more. These are darkelves you know. They have art, culture, power. Frankly it should rival Felwithe in beauty and size but edgier and more dangerous. To me it looks like a handful of buildings in a cave. Obviously having to rely on so many non Teir'Dal and Arasai has taken a toll on the city.

Velsha · 05-31-2007, 04:10 PM

I think the zone is brilliant. It's certainly one of the more beautiful cities in Norrath.

LordPazuzu · 05-31-2007, 04:38 PM

Neriak and Mekalia are nothing alike architectually, though Neriak and Mekalia are probably the most spectacular starting cities in their respective games. Both are visually stunning and make heavy use of lighting effects, especially bloom. Mekalia more resembles a gnome version of Chinese New Year gone horribly horribly wrong...

05-25-2007, 03:46 AM	#1
Thunderthyze Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 2,050	Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? __________________

05-25-2007, 05:33 AM	#3
Zyphe Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 78	Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? SOGA? What the hell are you talking about?

05-25-2007, 05:38 AM	#4
Jal General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,345	Kekeloko@Guk wrote: Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? SOGA? What the hell are you talking about? SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things.

05-25-2007, 05:39 AM	#5
Kelfizzle Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 22	Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? No. I think Sigil (BMQ) "stole" the idea and style from Everquest 1. Not EQ2 from Sigil. Do you know EQ1 ?

05-25-2007, 05:50 AM	#6
Zyphe Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 78	Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote: Kekeloko@Guk wrote: Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? SOGA? What the hell are you talking about? SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things. So SOGA designed Neriak? That explains a lot. I was wondering why a fallen dynasty model was used in the newbie area. Seems extremely out of place, and lazy. But what's new?

05-25-2007, 03:49 AM	#2
Bawang Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 366	That reminds me....I think my wife lifted my wallet

05-25-2007, 10:38 AM	#7
mee General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 27	Actually it reminded me of EQ1's Neriak, which is good since it's supposed to. Was neat to go into buildings I recognized and even see the glowing eye had survived.

05-25-2007, 10:45 AM	#8
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	Kekeloko@Guk wrote: So SOGA designed Neriak? No. SOGA did "first pass" work on concept art created by SOE. __________________

05-25-2007, 10:56 AM	#9
bensilvi Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 404	Kekeloko@Guk wrote: Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote: Kekeloko@Guk wrote: Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? SOGA? What the hell are you talking about? SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things. So SOGA designed Neriak? That explains a lot. I was wondering why a fallen dynasty model was used in the newbie area. Seems extremely out of place, and lazy. But what's new? Yeah it is almost identical to the Fallen Dynasty, even in Nerial there are human children and they look like they are visiting from the Fallen Dynasty. I felt compelled to ask them if they would like a Hershey Bar.

05-25-2007, 11:21 AM	#10
Althena Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 73	Doesn't look anything like the gnome city in vanguard at all.... but it resembles the Neriak in EQ1 quite a bit (even the glowing neon floaty designs in the waterfalls) Reusing appropriate models and items is not lazy, it's good use of development time to release new content imho.

05-25-2007, 12:44 PM	#11
theplayer0670 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 239	Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? Umm no I think its copied from EQ1, you know the original place NERIAK existed. That gives too much credit to Vanguard. Have you played EQ1?

05-25-2007, 12:51 PM	#12
VizP Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 558	Vanwhat? You have to be kidding me - does Brad have to hold up a big sign of 'I surrender, I clearly do not have an idea what MMO consumers these days want' from losses on his 'Vanguard' pet project that so dramatically failed before people realise that there really is nothing in that huge dungheap of a game that anyone would want to copy 'anywhere' if they wish to be a success? Neriak is based on 'Neriak' which happened to be in the game that preceded EQ2. Was called Everquest 1 actually. It looks quite a lot like 'that' __________________ The Fable of the Soulmover - Silthian's Journal

05-25-2007, 12:54 PM	#13
MysidiaDrakkenbane Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 570	Actually Neriak kinda looks like Neriak from EQ1....

05-26-2007, 01:41 AM	#14
Seraki Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192	Im gonna second the above post ... it looks like Neriak .. from eq1

05-26-2007, 04:40 AM	#15
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Although for the kids they should have made them Youngling Dark elves even if they are in the New Foreign Quarter. __________________

05-27-2007, 12:34 AM	#16
Kursa Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 345	Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? only thing that reminds me of vanguard is my dogs crap outside whenever I walk him But, seriously...no it actually looks like the original Neriak style from EQ. If anything, Brad took the idea from EQ...after all ...he desperately tried to make another EQ clone. __________________

05-27-2007, 12:36 AM	#17
Kursa Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 345	Kekeloko@Guk wrote: Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote: Kekeloko@Guk wrote: Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: Is it just me or does Neriak have more than a passing resemblance to the underground gnome home city in Vanguard. First time I zoned in and began exploring I experienced this tremendous feeling of deja vú and realised that it arose from those Vanguard zones. I wonder if the SOGA developers have been doing a little moonlighting for Sigil? SOGA? What the hell are you talking about? SOGA are the team that did the Fallen dynasty adventure pack the alternate models and had the first pass on the design for Neriak hence the more asian (and personally wonderful) look to these things. So SOGA designed Neriak? That explains a lot. I was wondering why a fallen dynasty model was used in the newbie area. Seems extremely out of place, and lazy. But what's new? That look actually predates Fallen Dynasty by ...oh....seven years. Neriak always had an oriental twist to it. It's nothing new. You guys should play EQ....then you'll see what Im talking about __________________

05-27-2007, 09:11 PM	#18
selch Lord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 1,305	SOGA team definitely needs to back-off from EQ2 __________________

05-28-2007, 09:21 AM	#19
Polywogus Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Detroit =/ Posts: 215	http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a...936/3rdGate.jpg ^^Link to where all the sexy DE Necromancers & Shadowknights started in Neriak Third Gate. If that isn't an Asian influence... Was fun going back to take that shot. Whimsical

05-29-2007, 10:20 AM	#20
Kursa Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 345	selch wrote: SOGA team definitely needs to back-off from EQ2 that's what Neriak is suppose to look like! It's from the EQ1 Neriak. Has nothing to do with SOGA __________________

05-29-2007, 10:33 AM	#21
Jal General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,345	selch wrote: SOGA team definitely needs to back-off from EQ2 Id like to see them do more, Mara and Neriak so far are brilliant zones.

05-29-2007, 10:51 AM	#22
curtcleancut Lord Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 17	Resembles the city from the original Everquest. Good JoB SOE & thank you! As a note I just got a friend to play from the original EQ. She was playing WOW. The timing was perfect. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

05-31-2007, 03:03 PM	#23
Chay General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 490	Neriak was lifted from EQ1. Not entirely successfully. I was hoping for something more. These are darkelves you know. They have art, culture, power. Frankly it should rival Felwithe in beauty and size but edgier and more dangerous. To me it looks like a handful of buildings in a cave. Obviously having to rely on so many non Teir'Dal and Arasai has taken a toll on the city. __________________

05-31-2007, 04:10 PM	#24
Velsha General Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lucan D'Lere Posts: 139	I think the zone is brilliant. It's certainly one of the more beautiful cities in Norrath.

05-31-2007, 04:38 PM	#25
LordPazuzu Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,157	Neriak and Mekalia are nothing alike architectually, though Neriak and Mekalia are probably the most spectacular starting cities in their respective games. Both are visually stunning and make heavy use of lighting effects, especially bloom. Mekalia more resembles a gnome version of Chinese New Year gone horribly horribly wrong...