Assassins are Rogues right?

Siclone · 05-24-2007, 06:29 PM

According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues.

Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie?

This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie.

Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant.

Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones.

archimidesX · 05-24-2007, 06:34 PM

Siclone wrote:

According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues.
Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie?
This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie.
Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant.
Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones.

assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues...

Zard · 05-24-2007, 06:36 PM

archimidesX wrote:

Siclone wrote:
According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues.
Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie?
This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie.
Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant.
Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones.
assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues...

Yes but the character creation screen now lists 3 (!) types of rogues: Swashbucklers, Brigands and Assassins. Rangers are in their own category. Not sure why they changed that. . .

ganjookie · 05-24-2007, 06:38 PM

an assassin is a predator, and can change to a Ranger

Siclone · 05-24-2007, 06:38 PM

archimidesX wrote:

Siclone wrote:
According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues.
Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie?
This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie.
Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant.
Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones.
assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues...

well not according to the character creation screen,,,,,clearly has assassins in the rogue catogory, so thats what people go by when they make their toon. So, if SOE says their Rogues, then they are rogues fair enough,,let us betray to Swashies! its only fair,,,,if they are opposite of rangers then they need to be put opposite of rangers so people know

archimidesX · 05-24-2007, 06:40 PM

Siclone wrote:

archimidesX wrote:
Siclone wrote:
According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues.
Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie?
This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie.
Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant.
Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones.
assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues...
well not according to the character creation screen,,,,,clearly has assassins in the rogue catogory, so thats what people go by when they make their toon. So, if SOE says their Rogues, then they are rogues fair enough,,let us betray to Swashies!

ahh i see...well then they need to fix that, because that isn't the case at all...then what would a ranger betray to? the assassin class is the ranger counterpart...less ranged and more pokey stabby...

Siclone · 05-24-2007, 06:45 PM

well Rangers can betray to assassins. Since this is the way it was before.

I think they need to clear this up or address this issue

valkyrja · 05-24-2007, 06:50 PM

They changed how the classes are arranged on character creation a long time ago. Lot's of people complained that it is confusing and misleading. They said they arranged these classes to better reflect the overall theme of the class. Though we know assassins and rangers are predators, they are very different classes. Though I agree that it is confusing, I don't see them changing it now, if they didn't back then.

Lornick · 05-24-2007, 06:56 PM

It is a little weird how that have them grouped on character creation, but you are needlessly confusing yourself. If you really want to play a swashbuckler why don't you just roll up a swashbuckler? If you really want to betray to swashbuckler for some weird roleplay reason then roll up a brigand and then betray.

liveja · 05-24-2007, 07:25 PM

Lornick wrote:

It is a little weird how that have them grouped on character creation

Yes, it is, & to avoid confusion, Assassins & Rangers should be put back together again.

I'd really hate for people to think that Assassins are just some sort of "dark cousin" to Swashies. It's bad enough we get lumped in with Brigands, too.

But in response to the OP's question: Wrong. Assassins are not Rogues.

Controlor · 05-24-2007, 07:47 PM

I can see how this is confusing for the people who are just coming into the game and see hey a rogue class i can betray within any rogue class. Vs peeps who started the game or at least played befor they revamp of the cheracter creation system When you actually had to start no calss go to scout then predator then assassin where you could easily see the counterpart was ranger.

Cathars · 05-24-2007, 08:49 PM

It was feedback'd by a ton of people in EoF beta (where this new grouping first was released), but aparently it was ignored.

05-24-2007, 06:34 PM	#2
archimidesX Seer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44	Siclone wrote: According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues. Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie? This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie. Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant. Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones. assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues...

05-24-2007, 06:36 PM	#3
Zard General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Longmont, CO (USA) Posts: 573	archimidesX wrote: Siclone wrote: According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues. Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie? This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie. Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant. Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones. assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues... Yes but the character creation screen now lists 3 (!) types of rogues: Swashbucklers, Brigands and Assassins. Rangers are in their own category. Not sure why they changed that. . . __________________

05-24-2007, 06:38 PM	#4
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	an assassin is a predator, and can change to a Ranger __________________

05-24-2007, 06:38 PM	#5
Siclone Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 717	archimidesX wrote: Siclone wrote: According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues. Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie? This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie. Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant. Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones. assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues... well not according to the character creation screen,,,,,clearly has assassins in the rogue catogory, so thats what people go by when they make their toon. So, if SOE says their Rogues, then they are rogues fair enough,,let us betray to Swashies! its only fair,,,,if they are opposite of rangers then they need to be put opposite of rangers so people know

05-24-2007, 06:40 PM	#6
archimidesX Seer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44	Siclone wrote: archimidesX wrote: Siclone wrote: According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues. Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie? This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie. Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant. Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones. assassins and rangers are predators...brigand and swashbucklers are rogues... well not according to the character creation screen,,,,,clearly has assassins in the rogue catogory, so thats what people go by when they make their toon. So, if SOE says their Rogues, then they are rogues fair enough,,let us betray to Swashies! ahh i see...well then they need to fix that, because that isn't the case at all...then what would a ranger betray to? the assassin class is the ranger counterpart...less ranged and more pokey stabby...

05-24-2007, 06:29 PM	#1
Siclone Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 717	According to the character creation screen, assassins are rogues. Therefore, why can't an Assassin betray to a swashie? This is very confusing. Please change that allow Assassins to betray to a Swashie. Allot of new players are under the assumption that evil rogues can betray to good ones and then they find out they cant. Is this error going to be fixed soon? Evil rogues should be able to betray to good ones.

05-24-2007, 06:45 PM	#7
Siclone Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 717	well Rangers can betray to assassins. Since this is the way it was before. I think they need to clear this up or address this issue

05-24-2007, 06:50 PM	#8
valkyrja Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 559	They changed how the classes are arranged on character creation a long time ago. Lot's of people complained that it is confusing and misleading. They said they arranged these classes to better reflect the overall theme of the class. Though we know assassins and rangers are predators, they are very different classes. Though I agree that it is confusing, I don't see them changing it now, if they didn't back then. __________________

05-24-2007, 06:56 PM	#9
Lornick Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,114	It is a little weird how that have them grouped on character creation, but you are needlessly confusing yourself. If you really want to play a swashbuckler why don't you just roll up a swashbuckler? If you really want to betray to swashbuckler for some weird roleplay reason then roll up a brigand and then betray. __________________

05-24-2007, 07:25 PM	#10
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	Lornick wrote: It is a little weird how that have them grouped on character creation Yes, it is, & to avoid confusion, Assassins & Rangers should be put back together again. I'd really hate for people to think that Assassins are just some sort of "dark cousin" to Swashies. It's bad enough we get lumped in with Brigands, too. But in response to the OP's question: Wrong. Assassins are not Rogues. __________________

05-24-2007, 07:47 PM	#11
Controlor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 767	I can see how this is confusing for the people who are just coming into the game and see hey a rogue class i can betray within any rogue class. Vs peeps who started the game or at least played befor they revamp of the cheracter creation system When you actually had to start no calss go to scout then predator then assassin where you could easily see the counterpart was ranger.

05-24-2007, 08:49 PM	#12
Cathars General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 446	It was feedback'd by a ton of people in EoF beta (where this new grouping first was released), but aparently it was ignored.