Would you...

DarkVillian · 04-13-2007, 10:13 AM

Use a bow? Pretty simple question. I ask because now that bow's can be adorned with a +10dps adornment in jousts in and out couldn't we possibly produce more DPS by using a bow with a 108+ rating? If you had the option to a 108+ rated bow would you go for it? Why or Why not...

Let me ask another question...If you already had a nice Satchel (Membranous Sheath) couldn't you just macro to equip the satchel/ammo and use the thrown attack then requip the bow with the better stats and much higher auto attack dmg? Does the same ranged attack delay apply if you use the throwning ability, then switch to bow autoattack?

LOL does any swashy (high-end) use a bow or just stick with a satchel to use our one ranged abilitiy?

Thanks.

Dakkon_10 · 04-13-2007, 10:39 AM

Nah. Last thing rangers need is a bunch of swashes taking away their bread and butter for a slight and situational dps increase. I don't use my ranged auto attack enough to care what weapon/ammo I have, so long as I can use my CA I'm happy. I'll just stick with my sheath.

DarkVillian · 04-13-2007, 11:39 AM

Alistair@Kithicor wrote:

Nah. Last thing rangers need is a bunch of swashes taking away their bread and butter for a slight and situational dps increase. I don't use my ranged auto attack enough to care what weapon/ammo I have, so long as I can use my CA I'm happy. I'll just stick with my sheath.

Sure I can agree with that. That's not what I asked though. If the bow was not going to be put to use, would you snag it and use it?

SmCaudata · 04-13-2007, 11:57 AM

You could use a bow, but honestly if you have the sheath you really won't see a huge upgrade unless you get a nice EoF bow and now there is a nice EoF satchel. Also, I always carry around my razorwing anyway for the stats and resists. Also, with reach now, I can spam my CAs from range on most short range AoEs. This means I can do all my debuffs from ranged which means I rarely throw anymore because the game won't queue a ranged auto attack between melee combat arts unless I wanted to force it to do so. That gives me an idea... I may try binding my ranged auto attack key to something easy to hit on ranged fights. So, I guess in the end, to me it isn't worth the hassel of swapping out different ammo bags and such to use a bow and our one ranged CA. But depending on your DKP system, etc, it may be worth it for some. Oh, and lastly, the Unicorn in EH drops a nice new pouch that would be very nice for your summoned ammo.

DarkVillian · 04-13-2007, 12:05 PM

Yeah I've heard the rumor. Currently the rogues in my guild that raid 100% are saving DKP for the Machete or Folded Blade...Mayongs Bow dropped last night. Our new Ranger just transferred servers and was locked out...No one was really bidding except for myself and a pally...I took the bow. Its really stat upgrade imho from the Satchel. The pally uses the symbol off of Princes more so then his bow. But I figured when the MT pulls just pop the mob with the bow then assist MA...On some encounters like Mayong, Matron, Tender I tend to find myself out more so then in considering usually choping away on adds...

Although, had someone other then the pally SMILEY been bidding (Ranger, Assassin, or even MT/OT) thought wouldn't have crossed my mind. But Pally? pfffft he is twinked enough...

Cocytus · 04-13-2007, 12:54 PM

No, because that means I can't use ranged CA's or my thrown-ammo bag, or my t8 summoned ammo. I'd rather not get a bow unless it was one of the best 3 bows in the game. Then I might consider it.

DarkVillian · 04-13-2007, 01:20 PM

What do you consider to be the 3 best bows in the game?

Woushi? Mayong? ...Sarik?

Cocytus · 04-13-2007, 02:36 PM

I don't know enough about bows to know the top 3 names. I would just ask my RL (ranger) what they are. If it was one of those, and it would otherwise go to waste, I would take it.

liveja · 04-13-2007, 02:48 PM

I don't see anything WRONG with the idea of picking up one of the "3 best bows in the game" (whatever they are, I have no idea) but I personally wouldn't. I'm a swordsman, I don't use bows; they just don't seem to fit me. It's a RP thing, is all.

Krontak · 04-13-2007, 02:59 PM

Only problem with the Razorwing is you'll find it still is NOT adornable with the 10% dps fabled adornment which is pretty sweet. Its one of the few Claymore questline items that was not fixed. I've been raiding KOS for a long long time and unfortunatly, I think my guild has only seen 1-2 satches drop off Tarinax and the Unicorn didn't drop the satchel last time. I'm thinking one day luck will turn my way.

And like the previous poster stated, I'm 100% for roleplaying and I wouldn't be caught with anything that does not fit exactly into the way things are meant to be! SMILEY

kartikeya · 04-13-2007, 03:13 PM

Alistair@Kithicor wrote:

Nah. Last thing rangers need is a bunch of swashes taking away their bread and butter for a slight and situational dps increase.

Bless.

AegisCrown · 04-13-2007, 09:00 PM

i honestly want to go bow for ranged dps purposes, its better for that and with the dps addorns theres no reason not too.

Jvaloth · 04-13-2007, 09:34 PM

Why use a bow when you can stand there 20m away, out of the range of most AE's and still do damage?

Cocytus · 04-14-2007, 01:15 AM

If you mean reach, excluding ranged attacks, max range on melee CA's is 15m, not 20.

Dakkon_10 · 04-14-2007, 03:28 AM

Jvaloth wrote:

Why use a bow when you can stand there 20m away, out of the range of most AE's and still do damage?

With reach, our combat arts can be cast from 15m away, but our auto-attack is still very close range. You could use a ranged weapon and stay at 15m, but that would still be more difficult and less productive than jousting.... I'm surprised at how many nerf threats you've posted about our class yet how little you seem to know.

04-13-2007, 10:39 AM	#2
Dakkon_10 General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 282	Nah. Last thing rangers need is a bunch of swashes taking away their bread and butter for a slight and situational dps increase. I don't use my ranged auto attack enough to care what weapon/ammo I have, so long as I can use my CA I'm happy. I'll just stick with my sheath. __________________

04-13-2007, 11:39 AM	#3
DarkVillian Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282	Alistair@Kithicor wrote: Nah. Last thing rangers need is a bunch of swashes taking away their bread and butter for a slight and situational dps increase. I don't use my ranged auto attack enough to care what weapon/ammo I have, so long as I can use my CA I'm happy. I'll just stick with my sheath. Sure I can agree with that. That's not what I asked though. If the bow was not going to be put to use, would you snag it and use it?

04-13-2007, 11:57 AM	#4
SmCaudata Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 356	You could use a bow, but honestly if you have the sheath you really won't see a huge upgrade unless you get a nice EoF bow and now there is a nice EoF satchel. Also, I always carry around my razorwing anyway for the stats and resists. Also, with reach now, I can spam my CAs from range on most short range AoEs. This means I can do all my debuffs from ranged which means I rarely throw anymore because the game won't queue a ranged auto attack between melee combat arts unless I wanted to force it to do so. That gives me an idea... I may try binding my ranged auto attack key to something easy to hit on ranged fights. So, I guess in the end, to me it isn't worth the hassel of swapping out different ammo bags and such to use a bow and our one ranged CA. But depending on your DKP system, etc, it may be worth it for some. Oh, and lastly, the Unicorn in EH drops a nice new pouch that would be very nice for your summoned ammo. __________________ ______________________________ ______________________________ Kellindril - 80 swash - Azure Skies - Antonia Bayle

04-13-2007, 12:05 PM	#5
DarkVillian Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282	Yeah I've heard the rumor. Currently the rogues in my guild that raid 100% are saving DKP for the Machete or Folded Blade...Mayongs Bow dropped last night. Our new Ranger just transferred servers and was locked out...No one was really bidding except for myself and a pally...I took the bow. Its really stat upgrade imho from the Satchel. The pally uses the symbol off of Princes more so then his bow. But I figured when the MT pulls just pop the mob with the bow then assist MA...On some encounters like Mayong, Matron, Tender I tend to find myself out more so then in considering usually choping away on adds... Although, had someone other then the pally been bidding (Ranger, Assassin, or even MT/OT) thought wouldn't have crossed my mind. But Pally? pfffft he is twinked enough...

04-13-2007, 02:48 PM	#9
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	I don't see anything WRONG with the idea of picking up one of the "3 best bows in the game" (whatever they are, I have no idea) but I personally wouldn't. I'm a swordsman, I don't use bows; they just don't seem to fit me. It's a RP thing, is all. __________________

04-13-2007, 10:13 AM	#1
DarkVillian Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282	Use a bow? Pretty simple question. I ask because now that bow's can be adorned with a +10dps adornment in jousts in and out couldn't we possibly produce more DPS by using a bow with a 108+ rating? If you had the option to a 108+ rated bow would you go for it? Why or Why not... Let me ask another question...If you already had a nice Satchel (Membranous Sheath) couldn't you just macro to equip the satchel/ammo and use the thrown attack then requip the bow with the better stats and much higher auto attack dmg? Does the same ranged attack delay apply if you use the throwning ability, then switch to bow autoattack? LOL does any swashy (high-end) use a bow or just stick with a satchel to use our one ranged abilitiy? Thanks.

04-13-2007, 12:54 PM	#6
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	No, because that means I can't use ranged CA's or my thrown-ammo bag, or my t8 summoned ammo. I'd rather not get a bow unless it was one of the best 3 bows in the game. Then I might consider it.

04-13-2007, 01:20 PM	#7
DarkVillian Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 282	What do you consider to be the 3 best bows in the game? Woushi? Mayong? ...Sarik?

04-13-2007, 02:36 PM	#8
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	I don't know enough about bows to know the top 3 names. I would just ask my RL (ranger) what they are. If it was one of those, and it would otherwise go to waste, I would take it.

04-13-2007, 02:59 PM	#10
Krontak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	Only problem with the Razorwing is you'll find it still is NOT adornable with the 10% dps fabled adornment which is pretty sweet. Its one of the few Claymore questline items that was not fixed. I've been raiding KOS for a long long time and unfortunatly, I think my guild has only seen 1-2 satches drop off Tarinax and the Unicorn didn't drop the satchel last time. I'm thinking one day luck will turn my way. And like the previous poster stated, I'm 100% for roleplaying and I wouldn't be caught with anything that does not fit exactly into the way things are meant to be! __________________

04-13-2007, 03:13 PM	#11
kartikeya Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 387	Alistair@Kithicor wrote: *Nah. Last thing rangers need is a bunch of swashes taking away their bread and butter for a slight and situational dps increase.* Bless. __________________

04-13-2007, 09:00 PM	#12
AegisCrown Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 576	i honestly want to go bow for ranged dps purposes, its better for that and with the dps addorns theres no reason not too. __________________ EQ2 Flames - Swashbuckler

04-13-2007, 09:34 PM	#13
Jvaloth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 373	Why use a bow when you can stand there 20m away, out of the range of most AE's and still do damage?

04-14-2007, 01:15 AM	#14
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	If you mean reach, excluding ranged attacks, max range on melee CA's is 15m, not 20.

04-14-2007, 03:28 AM	#15
Dakkon_10 General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 282	Jvaloth wrote: Why use a bow when you can stand there 20m away, out of the range of most AE's and still do damage? With reach, our combat arts can be cast from 15m away, but our auto-attack is still very close range. You could use a ranged weapon and stay at 15m, but that would still be more difficult and less productive than jousting.... I'm surprised at how many nerf threats you've posted about our class yet how little you seem to know. __________________