Is it possible to train a group?

Siclone · 03-20-2007, 01:00 PM

I did not think this was possible in EQ2. I know it was a common thing to do in EQ1 when someone got [Removed for Content] at a group or person he would just run around argo as many mobs as he could and run into a group and FD or just die himself and leave the group to deal with all the mobs.

But I swear a conj, trained me last night. I just cant figure out how he did it. Pulled a mob into us while we were fighting. then we had to deal with the extra mob. Is this possible at all here??

Quda · 03-20-2007, 01:21 PM

Yes, it is sort of possible.

What a lot of them do is just aggro a mob, and bring it to the group. If the group is full of people who don't know, or fighting mulitple mobs, the there will be someone that kicks off an AOE. All of a sudden, you just aquired the new mob.

Is this allowed? No Does it happen? many, many times, if you get in a farmer's way.

And most of the time, they will keep on doing it until either you leave, or they get reported and removed.

Bramwe · 03-20-2007, 01:28 PM

I'm pretty sure some classes have the ability to charm mobs then break the charm wherever they want. They could grab a mob and park it next to your group then break the charm and the mob will attack the group. I am sure it is against the rules but it happens. At least that's what I have heard people do to bots SMILEY

I don't know if it is still possible to do this but I think so.

Kraven Coldblade · 03-20-2007, 01:46 PM

Aye. I used to do just that Bramwell back when I tried to get my Ydedadh's caduceus or however you spell it from living tombs. There was a wizard for a week straight and his name was randomized something like Ujietsse or something like that who'd just nuke all the grey cons and kill the named that I was after over and over. That eventually ticked me off so much that I started charming the ^^^heroic spectres and breaking the charm next to him and he'd usually get 1 to 2 shotted b4 he could react.

After 2 days of pulling that stunt he stopped camping that spot and I was finally able to get the staff I wanted. No doubt this guy was farming the drops probably to sell it on ebay or something. Did I enjoy doing that? Of course not but it was the only sensible option left after I had reported him about 8 times with no assitance from GM's.

Stuge · 03-20-2007, 01:48 PM

Bramwell wrote:

I'm pretty sure some classes have the ability to charm mobs then break the charm wherever they want. They could grab a mob and park it next to your group then break the charm and the mob will attack the group. I am sure it is against the rules but it happens. At least that's what I have heard people do to bots I don't know if it is still possible to do this but I think so.

It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action). Actually managed to kill a bot during a scripted play session once doing something similar to this. It was a wizard standing on a rock in TT in the middle of the forward group of blood-bloom mobs on the main island. They would target a bloom, nuke it with a specific rotating set of spell casts, then await another mob to enter their casting range. Auto-target. Rinse, repeat. The bot was surrounded by chests of all shapes and size and bodies that just rotted. I'd gather up a bunch of nearby mobs and run into his range and he'd helpfully nuke them all for me. Eventually we confirmed the toon was running on a script. I flew out to Breeding Grounds and charmed one of the big ^^^ wyrms over there and brought him back to the main island as my pet. I brought him near the wizard who was auto-nuking another blood-bloom. I broke charm and immediately stunned and rooted the wyrm which made him "my" encounter and had him aggro on me. I backed off while the angry wyrm stood there, stuck. Sure enough, when the wizard finished off the blood-bloom he immediately detected my wyrm (a targettable NPC) in his casting range and let fly with the nukes. I broke root and the wyrm promptly ate him. Made me wish I had FRAPS running at the time. I recharmed the wyrm and politely dropped him back off on his home island.

Zagats · 03-20-2007, 02:16 PM

People that do that scripted play thing annoy me about as much as the pet classes who put their pet on auto defend, and place themselves near a green or low blue mob spawns once every 3-5 mins after last kill... Mob spawns, attacks player, pet attacks mob, mob dies eventually, gaining xp for the player. Meanwhile, the player is at Wal-mart doing his Christmas shopping...getting level'd up.

Landlubber · 03-20-2007, 02:24 PM

Stugein wrote:

... I recharmed the wyrm and politely dropped him back off on his home island.

The rest of the story is great too, but this is the best bit. Gets you extra points for style SMILEY

nitrous · 03-20-2007, 02:40 PM

Quda wrote:

Yes, it is sort of possible.
What a lot of them do is just aggro a mob, and bring it to the group. If the group is full of people who don't know, or fighting mulitple mobs, the there will be someone that kicks off an AOE. All of a sudden, you just aquired the new mob.
Is this allowed? No Does it happen? many, many times, if you get in a farmer's way.
And most of the time, they will keep on doing it until either you leave, or they get reported and removed.

Keep in mind we are talking Blue AoE buttons. The Encounter only AE's do not impact this process.

tass · 03-20-2007, 03:12 PM

lol I had a farmer do that to me once while I was killing off his mobs in silent city. He was a necro of course and I a conjurer. So I demonstrated just how much his class sucked by doing a quick wack the pet for full heath pulling out my hydro pet, take even more of his mobs and then kill em all with aoe's and laughed at em. Then I sent some at him only he didn't fair as well. SMILEY

interstellarmatter · 03-20-2007, 03:24 PM

I miss the days of my cleric being able to send farmers back to their home city with Odyssey. There used to be no confirmation boxes.

It was funny because you'd see them take off when I had them target and I was casting a spell.

Nainitsuj · 03-20-2007, 06:10 PM

Siclone wrote:

I did not think this was possible in EQ2. I know it was a common thing to do in EQ1 when someone got [Removed for Content] at a group or person he would just run around argo as many mobs as he could and run into a group and FD or just die himself and leave the group to deal with all the mobs.
But I swear a conj, trained me last night. I just cant figure out how he did it. Pulled a mob into us while we were fighting. then we had to deal with the extra mob. Is this possible at all here??

Charm

Evac

Un-Charm

OR

Pull

Run in to your group

You PBAoE

MOB is now on you

Nainitsuj · 03-20-2007, 06:12 PM

Stugein wrote:

Bramwell wrote:
I'm pretty sure some classes have the ability to charm mobs then break the charm wherever they want. They could grab a mob and park it next to your group then break the charm and the mob will attack the group. I am sure it is against the rules but it happens. At least that's what I have heard people do to bots I don't know if it is still possible to do this but I think so.
It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action).

Not true. When charm is disengaged it resets the mob where it's standing. So it will attack the closest one to it.

Ask a necro to do it in SS.

DrkVsr · 03-21-2007, 07:30 AM

Back when they still had Enchanters, when the charm broke the mob would break off combat and come running after mah troll

And umm, if you broke chram by gating/zoning wouldn't it just mean the mob runs back to it's original post, just like what happens when you outrun a mob

Lunah · 03-21-2007, 08:22 AM

Very much so possible...if you find a mob that is the same type of mob the person is fighting and they are "Social" creatures they will begin attacking that person. Had some [Removed for Content] do this to me in TT and admit he was doing it in /ooc and petitioned and of course nothing happened. So much for the "play nice" policy. Btw the reason he did it...got ticked I was a necro and could harvest a ? while my pet fought, nevermind I was the only one near the shiny at the time. Totally a case of class envy..sigh.

Stuge · 03-21-2007, 08:26 AM

Nainitsuj wrote:

Stugein wrote:
Bramwell wrote: It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action).
Not true. When charm is disengaged it resets the mob where it's standing. So it will attack the closest one to it.
Ask a necro to do it in SS.

That has not been my experience on my coercer, but I may be doing something wrong. The mob does not "reset" for me when charm breaks, intentionally or otherwise. When I drop charm the mob makes a beeline for me unless some other hostile action tags it. Even mobs that I've charmed that are normally non-aggro will attack when charm is broken, which is a pretty strong indicator to me that mob retain their hate list after charm is broken.

Norrsken · 03-21-2007, 09:12 AM

Stugein wrote:

Nainitsuj wrote:
Stugein wrote:
Bramwell wrote: It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action).
Not true. When charm is disengaged it resets the mob where it's standing. So it will attack the closest one to it.
Ask a necro to do it in SS.
That has not been my experience on my coercer, but I may be doing something wrong. The mob does not "reset" for me when charm breaks, intentionally or otherwise. When I drop charm the mob makes a beeline for me unless some other hostile action tags it. Even mobs that I've charmed that are normally non-aggro will attack when charm is broken, which is a pretty strong indicator to me that mob retain their hate list after charm is broken.

If you are far away enough the mob will fidn juicier targets closer to his current position.

Jerr · 03-21-2007, 04:42 PM

I dont think so.

One on one I can get my daughters to do most anything I tell them.

But when they bond together as a threesome it seems my words are deflected by a shield of sisterhood. I usually retire to my room and curl up on the bed in a fetal postion.

So in my experience it is NOT possible to train a group.

03-20-2007, 01:28 PM	#3
Bramwe General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 492	I'm pretty sure some classes have the ability to charm mobs then break the charm wherever they want. They could grab a mob and park it next to your group then break the charm and the mob will attack the group. I am sure it is against the rules but it happens. At least that's what I have heard people do to bots I don't know if it is still possible to do this but I think so. __________________ width="485" height="151"

03-20-2007, 01:46 PM	#4
Kraven Coldblade Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 169	Aye. I used to do just that Bramwell back when I tried to get my Ydedadh's caduceus or however you spell it from living tombs. There was a wizard for a week straight and his name was randomized something like Ujietsse or something like that who'd just nuke all the grey cons and kill the named that I was after over and over. That eventually ticked me off so much that I started charming the ^^^heroic spectres and breaking the charm next to him and he'd usually get 1 to 2 shotted b4 he could react. After 2 days of pulling that stunt he stopped camping that spot and I was finally able to get the staff I wanted. No doubt this guy was farming the drops probably to sell it on ebay or something. Did I enjoy doing that? Of course not but it was the only sensible option left after I had reported him about 8 times with no assitance from GM's. __________________

03-20-2007, 01:48 PM	#5
Stuge General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 283	Bramwell wrote: I'm pretty sure some classes have the ability to charm mobs then break the charm wherever they want. They could grab a mob and park it next to your group then break the charm and the mob will attack the group. I am sure it is against the rules but it happens. At least that's what I have heard people do to bots I don't know if it is still possible to do this but I think so. It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action). Actually managed to kill a bot during a scripted play session once doing something similar to this. It was a wizard standing on a rock in TT in the middle of the forward group of blood-bloom mobs on the main island. They would target a bloom, nuke it with a specific rotating set of spell casts, then await another mob to enter their casting range. Auto-target. Rinse, repeat. The bot was surrounded by chests of all shapes and size and bodies that just rotted. I'd gather up a bunch of nearby mobs and run into his range and he'd helpfully nuke them all for me. Eventually we confirmed the toon was running on a script. I flew out to Breeding Grounds and charmed one of the big ^^^ wyrms over there and brought him back to the main island as my pet. I brought him near the wizard who was auto-nuking another blood-bloom. I broke charm and immediately stunned and rooted the wyrm which made him "my" encounter and had him aggro on me. I backed off while the angry wyrm stood there, stuck. Sure enough, when the wizard finished off the blood-bloom he immediately detected my wyrm (a targettable NPC) in his casting range and let fly with the nukes. I broke root and the wyrm promptly ate him. Made me wish I had FRAPS running at the time. I recharmed the wyrm and politely dropped him back off on his home island. __________________ Stugein - <Mediocrity>, Antonia Bayle <Gnobrin> it's maaaaaaaagic! * Gnobrin/#EQ2 throws magic powder <Gnobrin> ::rainbow:: Time to Be Bad - Complete Qeynos/Kelethin-to-Freeport Betrayal Guide

03-20-2007, 02:16 PM	#6
Zagats Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 419	People that do that scripted play thing annoy me about as much as the pet classes who put their pet on auto defend, and place themselves near a green or low blue mob spawns once every 3-5 mins after last kill... Mob spawns, attacks player, pet attacks mob, mob dies eventually, gaining xp for the player. Meanwhile, the player is at Wal-mart doing his Christmas shopping...getting level'd up. __________________ 80 Defiler - Lawlz/ 80 Alchy/ Master Tink/ 189AA aka 80 Brig - Brekon/ 80 Jeweler/ Master Tink/ 198 AA Retired!!! 80 Coercer - Freeqq/ Master Tink/ 168 AA 80 Guard - Zomg/ Master Muter/ 192 AA 80 Zerk - Zomg (R.I.P) 80 Zerk - Barn/ 80 Provi/ 162 AA 80 Dirge - Micetro/ 165AA 80 Swash - Erno/ 141 AA 80 Templar - Shortey/ 75 Alchy/ 151 AA 80 Inquis - Ubet (R.I.P) 80 Templar - Ubet (R.I.P) 80 Wiz - Brnd/ 145AA 72Conjy - Zzzz 71 Assasin - Scoole 70 Swash - Bladeflash ... I play too much.

03-20-2007, 02:24 PM	#7
Landlubber Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	Stugein wrote: ... I recharmed the wyrm and politely dropped him back off on his home island. The rest of the story is great too, but this is the best bit. Gets you extra points for style __________________

03-20-2007, 01:00 PM	#1
Siclone Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 717	I did not think this was possible in EQ2. I know it was a common thing to do in EQ1 when someone got [Removed for Content] at a group or person he would just run around argo as many mobs as he could and run into a group and FD or just die himself and leave the group to deal with all the mobs. But I swear a conj, trained me last night. I just cant figure out how he did it. Pulled a mob into us while we were fighting. then we had to deal with the extra mob. Is this possible at all here??

03-20-2007, 01:21 PM	#2
Quda Lord Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 257	Yes, it is sort of possible. What a lot of them do is just aggro a mob, and bring it to the group. If the group is full of people who don't know, or fighting mulitple mobs, the there will be someone that kicks off an AOE. All of a sudden, you just aquired the new mob. Is this allowed? No Does it happen? many, many times, if you get in a farmer's way. And most of the time, they will keep on doing it until either you leave, or they get reported and removed.

03-20-2007, 02:40 PM	#8
nitrous Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 192	Quda wrote: Yes, it is sort of possible. What a lot of them do is just aggro a mob, and bring it to the group. If the group is full of people who don't know, or fighting mulitple mobs, the there will be someone that kicks off an AOE. All of a sudden, you just aquired the new mob. Is this allowed? No Does it happen? many, many times, if you get in a farmer's way. And most of the time, they will keep on doing it until either you leave, or they get reported and removed. Keep in mind we are talking Blue AoE buttons. The Encounter only AE's do not impact this process. __________________

03-20-2007, 03:12 PM	#9
tass Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,097	lol I had a farmer do that to me once while I was killing off his mobs in silent city. He was a necro of course and I a conjurer. So I demonstrated just how much his class sucked by doing a quick wack the pet for full heath pulling out my hydro pet, take even more of his mobs and then kill em all with aoe's and laughed at em. Then I sent some at him only he didn't fair as well.

03-20-2007, 03:24 PM	#10
interstellarmatter Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: A small place Posts: 1,362	I miss the days of my cleric being able to send farmers back to their home city with Odyssey. There used to be no confirmation boxes. It was funny because you'd see them take off when I had them target and I was casting a spell. __________________

03-20-2007, 06:10 PM	#11
Nainitsuj Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Emerald Server Posts: 525	Siclone wrote: I did not think this was possible in EQ2. I know it was a common thing to do in EQ1 when someone got [Removed for Content] at a group or person he would just run around argo as many mobs as he could and run into a group and FD or just die himself and leave the group to deal with all the mobs. But I swear a conj, trained me last night. I just cant figure out how he did it. Pulled a mob into us while we were fighting. then we had to deal with the extra mob. Is this possible at all here?? Charm Evac Un-Charm OR Pull Run in to your group You PBAoE MOB is now on you

03-20-2007, 06:12 PM	#12
Nainitsuj Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Emerald Server Posts: 525	Stugein wrote: Bramwell wrote: I'm pretty sure some classes have the ability to charm mobs then break the charm wherever they want. They could grab a mob and park it next to your group then break the charm and the mob will attack the group. I am sure it is against the rules but it happens. At least that's what I have heard people do to bots I don't know if it is still possible to do this but I think so. It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action). Not true. When charm is disengaged it resets the mob where it's standing. So it will attack the closest one to it. Ask a necro to do it in SS.

03-21-2007, 07:30 AM	#13
DrkVsr Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of the Short Brown Kiwi Posts: 2,041	Back when they still had Enchanters, when the charm broke the mob would break off combat and come running after mah troll And umm, if you broke chram by gating/zoning wouldn't it just mean the mob runs back to it's original post, just like what happens when you outrun a mob __________________ V`Wak N`Ron: Teir`Dassin of the 56th Order, Gods of Najena Htaed Ybdehcuotnu: Gnecro of the 40th Order, Gods of Najena Phoendi Phyres: Eru-Din of the 28th Order, Gods of Najena Kilitty: Kemplar of the 30th Order, Gods of Najena Zabisuto Zyhopic: Guktassin of 27th Order, Spirits of Glencoe on Butcherblock Tralgarth: Trollsionist of the 28th Order, SoG on Butcherblock {2nd on Server} Blacqphlag Killzphast: Arserker of the 20th Order, Spirits of Glencoe on Butcherblock Hwalgren N`Gareen: Faeden of the 20th Order, Spirits of Glencoe on Butcherblock Reynes: Wooden Mule of the 7th Order, Spirits of Glencoe on Butcherblock You can kill me, but you will not stop me Ah can be killed, but ah will not die!

03-21-2007, 08:22 AM	#14
Lunah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 177	Very much so possible...if you find a mob that is the same type of mob the person is fighting and they are "Social" creatures they will begin attacking that person. Had some [Removed for Content] do this to me in TT and admit he was doing it in /ooc and petitioned and of course nothing happened. So much for the "play nice" policy. Btw the reason he did it...got ticked I was a necro and could harvest a ? while my pet fought, nevermind I was the only one near the shiny at the time. Totally a case of class envy..sigh.

03-21-2007, 08:26 AM	#15
Stuge General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 283	Nainitsuj wrote: Stugein wrote: Bramwell wrote: It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action). Not true. When charm is disengaged it resets the mob where it's standing. So it will attack the closest one to it. Ask a necro to do it in SS. That has not been my experience on my coercer, but I may be doing something wrong. The mob does not "reset" for me when charm breaks, intentionally or otherwise. When I drop charm the mob makes a beeline for me unless some other hostile action tags it. Even mobs that I've charmed that are normally non-aggro will attack when charm is broken, which is a pretty strong indicator to me that mob retain their hate list after charm is broken. __________________ Stugein - <Mediocrity>, Antonia Bayle <Gnobrin> it's maaaaaaaagic! * Gnobrin/#EQ2 throws magic powder <Gnobrin> ::rainbow:: Time to Be Bad - Complete Qeynos/Kelethin-to-Freeport Betrayal Guide

03-21-2007, 09:12 AM	#16
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Stugein wrote: Nainitsuj wrote: Stugein wrote: Bramwell wrote: It can be made to work like that if one of the target group members attacks the mob accidentally, but by default the mob would attack the player than charmed it in the first place (a hate generating action). Not true. When charm is disengaged it resets the mob where it's standing. So it will attack the closest one to it. Ask a necro to do it in SS. That has not been my experience on my coercer, but I may be doing something wrong. The mob does not "reset" for me when charm breaks, intentionally or otherwise. When I drop charm the mob makes a beeline for me unless some other hostile action tags it. Even mobs that I've charmed that are normally non-aggro will attack when charm is broken, which is a pretty strong indicator to me that mob retain their hate list after charm is broken. If you are far away enough the mob will fidn juicier targets closer to his current position. __________________

03-21-2007, 04:42 PM	#17
Jerr General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 134	I dont think so. One on one I can get my daughters to do most anything I tell them. But when they bond together as a threesome it seems my words are deflected by a shield of sisterhood. I usually retire to my room and curl up on the bed in a fetal postion. So in my experience it is NOT possible to train a group.