Temple of Scale - 4 Hours of nothing

Lordlars · 03-21-2006, 08:16 PM

ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone. Also not one chest with anything over vendor trash.

Nice very nice this isn't helping me keep my interested in this game

Ratty31 · 03-21-2006, 08:18 PM

Lordlars wrote:
ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone.

Looks like another guild found them first SMILEY

Message Edited by Ratty31 on 03-21-200609:20 AM

ChaosUndivided · 03-21-2006, 08:23 PM

Ratty31 wrote:
Lordlars wrote:
ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone.
Looks like another guild found them first
Message Edited by Ratty31 on 03-21-200609:20 AM

Read : It's a contested raid zone. Obviously you lost. SMILEY

CoLD MeTaL · 03-21-2006, 08:25 PM

Lordlars wrote:
ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone. Also not one chest with anything over vendor trash.

Nice very nice this isn't helping me keep my interested in this game

Did you have fun clearing the zone so other people could get loot? That is my favorite EQ2 pasttime.

Lordlars · 03-21-2006, 08:25 PM

we were the only groups in there the entire time (except for a few ppl here and there wandering in)...i checked zone population about every half hour. I understand its a contested zone.....but geez is nots like anybody is just gonna throw a couple of groups together and go checking the place out to see whats around.....have to fight thru every room and hallway to get anywhere. 4 hours in zone and a whopping nothing

FlintAH · 03-21-2006, 08:33 PM

There is a long respawn time on the named. The trash has like a 20 min respawn. Should use track before you go in. If none of the heroics or x2 are up then it is not likely that there are any x4s are up.

Tamat · 03-21-2006, 08:36 PM

Contested raid dungeons FOR THE WIN by the way

syous01 · 03-21-2006, 09:54 PM

*Offers Lordlars a lollipop*

ke'la · 03-21-2006, 10:04 PM

If you go into SoS or PoA and find no Named up do you assume that there are no Names in the Entire Zone or do you start looking for places that they will likly spawn and/or PHs. ToS is just like any other NORMAL dungon in the game only it requires a Raid to fight though it and camp Nameds. If it was the Lab or another INSTANCED Raid zone this would be Differant, but its not it is just a Dungon with super hard content. Personally I like the Idea of Normal Dungon Raid zones it gives people something to Raid when locked out of instances.

Jonaroth · 03-21-2006, 10:09 PM

yea I'm with the reader here, I mean I've been in the zone a few times, sometimes you get a whole bunch of named (all wich drop total crap) and other times there is like nothing... 4 hours of nothing really sucks.. instead of 4 hour spawns or whatever it is, it should be forced spawns, like doin ring events over and over has a chance of spawning the named.. that way everyone has a chance...

Gimmiso · 03-21-2006, 11:11 PM

there's plenty of named "sub-boss" mobs in the zone and a good share of some really cool Bosses..... but like the others have said, These mobs are not spawned by killing the trash and they are timed respawns, so depending on which mob you are looking for, you would have to wait anywhere from 1 to 6 days to find them if someone else beat ya to em..... yep, it's a contested raid zone all right, and I LOVE IT! Sorry that your group was on the short end of the stick.... but my advioce to you is do not waste your time clearing trash mobs in there..... they don't lead you to anything good:smileyvery-happy:____________________________________________ ___________________________________________Jonorath wrote:like doin ring events over and over has a chance of spawning the named.. that way everyone has a chance..._________________________________________ ______________________________________________Ther e's other zones for that....if you want mobs that can be spawned by your actions then ToS isn't the place for you. If you don't like not being able to get the raid mobs,well............... /shrug, welcome to contested KoS.

Edited for Typo

Message Edited by Gimmisome on 03-21-200610:15 AM

Blast2hell · 03-21-2006, 11:14 PM

Yeah, this dungeon was clearly designed by a Dev that doesn't know much about population control, guild raiding, or what EQ2 has already learned about contested content.

The respawn time on this zone isn't a variable like it should be, this was already learned by Devs previously before the first expansion came out. You have to put contested content on a variable respawn time or else it can be monopolized, just the basic ABC's of contested content.....welcome to last year.

The other failure is you increased contested content for KoS, but decreased Instance content....when compared to what DoF had. Not a smart trade-off at all when you have increased server populations. If anything, you should of increased both instanced and contested content....this would of been smart. But clearly we see a problem with realzing population concerns and the value of instancing, as we saw a launch with the sanctum of scaleborn problems.

Message Edited by Blast2hell on 03-21-200601:17 PM

Gimmiso · 03-21-2006, 11:18 PM

Blast2hell wrote:
The other failure is you increased contested content for KoS, but decreased Instance content....when compared to what DoF had. Not a smart trade-off at all when you have increased server populations. If anything, you should of increased both instanced and contested content....this would of been smart. But clearly we see a problem with realzing population concerns and the value of instancing, as we sat a launch with the sanctum of scaleborn problems.

ok, last thing I will say on the subject.... There is plenty of "Instanced" Raid content in this expansion, probably as much as there is contested.... you just have to figure out how to get there :smileywink:

Blast2hell · 03-21-2006, 11:20 PM

Gimmisome wrote:
Blast2hell wrote:
The other failure is you increased contested content for KoS, but decreased Instance content....when compared to what DoF had. Not a smart trade-off at all when you have increased server populations. If anything, you should of increased both instanced and contested content....this would of been smart. But clearly we see a problem with realzing population concerns and the value of instancing, as we sat a launch with the sanctum of scaleborn problems.
ok, last thing I will say on the subject.... There is plenty of "Instanced" Raid content in this expansion, probably as much as there is contested.... you just have to figure out how to get there :smileywink:

Your missing the point, at DoF, time of launch, two full size instanced raid zones that could be accessed with no quests.

KoS at time of launch has one full size intstanced raid zone that can be access with no quests. This is where they cut content in half, this is all I'm implying.

I'm not implying that there isn't other raid content that gets accessed via quest such as PPR did in DoF.

Message Edited by Blast2hell on 03-21-200601:21 PM

Gimmiso · 03-21-2006, 11:27 PM

ok, I didn't miss the point, but fine.... Is SOE Not adding 2 new raid zones in an upcoming Live Update? I think they are well aware that alot of people do not like having to compete for Raid mobs, it's the same old story again and again. Guild A beats Guild B to contested, thereby control the respawn timer and knowng when to go back, and Guild B never gets the mob, so they complain that it's not fair and everything should be instanced. I am not implying that you are saying this, just a generalization, so don't take it the wrong way.....so anyway, if you really want to get a shot at the contesteds you should do what some other "Guild B's" do..... find Guild A and follow them everywhere they go. :smileytongue:

vinterskugge · 03-21-2006, 11:28 PM

I see this zone simply as somewhere they put in to keep Harla Dar. It's like they wanted her to take some clearing to get to, and if she was in Sanctum you could just train to her. So they put in a zone full of epic trash with a sprinkling of nameds to make getting to her slightly more challenging.

Blast2hell · 03-21-2006, 11:32 PM

Gimmisome wrote:ok, I didn't miss the point, but fine.... Is SOE Not adding 2 new raid zones in an upcoming Live Update? I think they are well aware that alot of people do not like having to compete for Raid mobs, it's the same old story again and again. Guild A beats Guild B to contested, thereby control the respawn timer and knowng when to go back, and Guild B never gets the mob, so they complain that it's not fair and everything should be instanced. I am not implying that you are saying this, just a generalization, so don't take it the wrong way.....so anyway, if you really want to get a shot at the contesteds you should do what some other "Guild B's" do..... find Guild A and follow them everywhere they go. :smileytongue:

personally I like the contested, and think it's good. Just missing a couple features to keep guilds from easily monoplizing it, such as variable respawn timers, or possible 30 hour lockouts or something. If ya lock one guild out for a day, the other 8 guilds still have to fight for it, but it keeps 1 guild from easily winning all the time just because there based in a timezone that helps them out.....

So I think the amount of contested content is great, just not at the cost of instance content, people clearly want contested content, I just want smart contested content....as smart as what was in game before KoS, if not better.

....and you first sentence you imply that SoE is adding 2 new raid zones? I've missed this commentary somewhere, if you could help out with a Link or something so i can read this and then do 4 or 5 cartwheel in my cubicle...it would be great.

Gimmiso · 03-21-2006, 11:41 PM

Blast2hell wrote:
such as variable respawn timers....and you first sentence you imply that SoE is adding 2 new raid zones? I've missed this commentary somewhere, if you could help out with a Link or something so i can read this and then do 4 or 5 cartwheel in my cubicle...it would be great
OH, did I forget to mention that the bosses of ToS are on variable timers..... cause, yeah, they are, when I said 1-6 days. I meant each mob.... Some of them have been seen anywhere from every 2-5 days. It's not a set spawn time.I will see what I can find about the new zones, but I do remember hearing about them, just not sure when they are going to be added..... but I do think that SOE has heard the complaints and taken corrective action (well on this topic at least :smileysad:)

Schmoogles · 03-22-2006, 12:13 AM

This zone should not have a timer as its a contested raid zone. I love this idea, its a great idea. I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. The best thing is that these dragons are not on any set timers like past contested mobs have been like Jenn has said. This zone is also a good stepping stone for newbie raid guild to go in there and farm some x 2 mobs that drops master chests.

ChaosUndivided · 03-22-2006, 01:38 AM

Schmoogles wrote:
.... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll....

Cockblocks ftw! SMILEY

CoLD MeTaL · 03-22-2006, 02:07 AM

Schmoogles wrote:
... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ...

That is what is wrong with this game.

Gimmiso · 03-22-2006, 02:52 AM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Schmoogles wrote:
... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ...
That is what is wrong with this game.

what is it they say........ "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch". oh, and, "if ya can't beat em. join em"this game is allllllll about competition. If you don't like competition, then I'd suggest you stick to quests.

CoLD MeTaL · 03-22-2006, 03:12 AM

Gimmisome wrote:
CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Schmoogles wrote:
... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ...
That is what is wrong with this game.
what is it they say........ "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch". oh, and, "if ya can't beat em. join em"this game is allllllll about competition. If you don't like competition, then I'd suggest you stick to quests.

I don't play on PvP servers.

Schmoogles · 03-22-2006, 03:23 AM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Gimmisome wrote:
CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Schmoogles wrote:
... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ...
That is what is wrong with this game.
what is it they say........ "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch". oh, and, "if ya can't beat em. join em"this game is allllllll about competition. If you don't like competition, then I'd suggest you stick to quests.
I don't play on PvP servers.

Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !!

Gertack_v2 · 03-22-2006, 03:25 AM

Schmoogles wrote:
Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !!

Preventing someone from gaining access to a contested zone would be cool. Preventing someone from being able to enter an instance is just being an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

CoLD MeTaL · 03-22-2006, 03:30 AM

Schmoogles wrote:
Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !!

So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals?

Instead of helping one another fulfill goals greater than any one person can do alone.

I stand by my previous statement.

Schmoogles · 03-22-2006, 03:36 AM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals?

lol

Schmoogles · 03-22-2006, 03:43 AM

Gertack wrote:
Preventing someone from gaining access to a contested zone would be cool. Preventing someone from being able to enter an instance is just being an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

lol I'm just saying it could happen. Some of the mobs that you need to enter deathtoll are contested mobs that drop some pretty nice loot.

rek6779 · 03-22-2006, 03:44 AM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals?
Instead of helping one another fulfill goals greater than any one person can do alone.
I'm always confused by statements like this. If they can take down the dragon, all 24 of them alone - achieving their own goals, they should go help the less fortunate achieve there's when done? Are we playing EQ2 or some bad game of help the less able? If I wanted to give to charity, I'd donate to the Red Cross, however, I play to kill things and have fun. I kill the beggars in Maj'Dul to, does that make me a bad person?
Beyond that, the stuff that drops from the dragons is nice. Killing it for drops is wrong now? How many named mob have you killed for the "chance at a master" when you know it's a quest mob? Countless, I'm sure.

Screamin' 1 · 03-22-2006, 04:44 AM

CoLD MeTaL wrote:
Schmoogles wrote:
Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !!
So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals?
Instead of helping one another fulfill goals greater than any one person can do alone.
I stand by my previous statement.

It should also be noted that intentionally monopolizing game resources is against the TOS. What is the point in actively preventing another guild from achieving something? If that somehow makes someone feel more 'uber', well, that's just sad. It would be like the person that wins American Idol going to the auditions the next year and welding everyone's hotel doors shut so no one can audition, ensuring they are the only 'winner'.

03-21-2006, 08:18 PM	#2
Ratty31 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 351	Lordlars wrote: ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone. Looks like another guild found them first Message Edited by Ratty31 on 03-21-200609:20 AM

03-21-2006, 08:23 PM	#3
ChaosUndivided Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 692	Ratty31 wrote: Lordlars wrote: ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone. Looks like another guild found them first Message Edited by Ratty31 on 03-21-200609:20 AM Read : It's a contested raid zone. Obviously you lost.

03-21-2006, 08:25 PM	#4
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	Lordlars wrote: ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone. Also not one chest with anything over vendor trash. Nice very nice this isn't helping me keep my interested in this game Did you have fun clearing the zone so other people could get loot? That is my favorite EQ2 pasttime. __________________

03-21-2006, 08:36 PM	#7
Tamat Allakhazam Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 167	Contested raid dungeons FOR THE WIN by the way __________________ ______________________________ Andrew "Tamat" Beegle EQII Allakhazam Community Manager The Zam Network http://eq2.allakhazam.com/

03-21-2006, 09:54 PM	#8
syous01 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 97	Offers Lordlars a lollipop __________________

03-21-2006, 08:16 PM	#1
Lordlars Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 18	ok 24 ppl spent a nice long 4 hours in Temple of Scale last night clearing every x2, x3, x4 mob we could find. Hmmm seems that was all we could find. No Named mobs in whole frigging zone. Also not one chest with anything over vendor trash. Nice very nice this isn't helping me keep my interested in this game

03-21-2006, 08:33 PM	#6
FlintAH Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 382	There is a long respawn time on the named. The trash has like a 20 min respawn. Should use track before you go in. If none of the heroics or x2 are up then it is not likely that there are any x4s are up.

03-21-2006, 10:04 PM	#9
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	If you go into SoS or PoA and find no Named up do you assume that there are no Names in the Entire Zone or do you start looking for places that they will likly spawn and/or PHs. ToS is just like any other NORMAL dungon in the game only it requires a Raid to fight though it and camp Nameds. If it was the Lab or another INSTANCED Raid zone this would be Differant, but its not it is just a Dungon with super hard content. Personally I like the Idea of Normal Dungon Raid zones it gives people something to Raid when locked out of instances. __________________

03-21-2006, 10:09 PM	#10
Jonaroth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 761	yea I'm with the reader here, I mean I've been in the zone a few times, sometimes you get a whole bunch of named (all wich drop total crap) and other times there is like nothing... 4 hours of nothing really sucks.. instead of 4 hour spawns or whatever it is, it should be forced spawns, like doin ring events over and over has a chance of spawning the named.. that way everyone has a chance... __________________

03-21-2006, 11:11 PM	#11
Gimmiso Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=330596209 Posts: 114	there's plenty of named "sub-boss" mobs in the zone and a good share of some really cool Bosses..... but like the others have said, These mobs are not spawned by killing the trash and they are timed respawns, so depending on which mob you are looking for, you would have to wait anywhere from 1 to 6 days to find them if someone else beat ya to em..... yep, it's a contested raid zone all right, and I LOVE IT! Sorry that your group was on the short end of the stick.... but my advioce to you is do not waste your time clearing trash mobs in there..... they don't lead you to anything good:smileyvery-happy:____________________________________________ ___________________________________________Jonorath wrote:like doin ring events over and over has a chance of spawning the named.. that way everyone has a chance..._________________________________________ ______________________________________________Ther e's other zones for that....if you want mobs that can be spawned by your actions then ToS isn't the place for you. If you don't like not being able to get the raid mobs,well............... /shrug, welcome to contested KoS. Edited for Typo Message Edited by Gimmisome on 03-21-200610:15 AM __________________

03-21-2006, 11:14 PM	#12
Blast2hell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 472	Yeah, this dungeon was clearly designed by a Dev that doesn't know much about population control, guild raiding, or what EQ2 has already learned about contested content. The respawn time on this zone isn't a variable like it should be, this was already learned by Devs previously before the first expansion came out. You have to put contested content on a variable respawn time or else it can be monopolized, just the basic ABC's of contested content.....welcome to last year. The other failure is you increased contested content for KoS, but decreased Instance content....when compared to what DoF had. Not a smart trade-off at all when you have increased server populations. If anything, you should of increased both instanced and contested content....this would of been smart. But clearly we see a problem with realzing population concerns and the value of instancing, as we saw a launch with the sanctum of scaleborn problems. Message Edited by Blast2hell on 03-21-200601:17 PM __________________ Athian Miere 70 Barbarian Templar Paradigm-Unrest EQ2 Utility Programs Written By me: Priest Healing Parser EQ2MusicModder

03-21-2006, 11:18 PM	#13
Gimmiso Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=330596209 Posts: 114	Blast2hell wrote: The other failure is you increased contested content for KoS, but decreased Instance content....when compared to what DoF had. Not a smart trade-off at all when you have increased server populations. If anything, you should of increased both instanced and contested content....this would of been smart. But clearly we see a problem with realzing population concerns and the value of instancing, as we sat a launch with the sanctum of scaleborn problems. ok, last thing I will say on the subject.... There is plenty of "Instanced" Raid content in this expansion, probably as much as there is contested.... you just have to figure out how to get there :smileywink: __________________

03-21-2006, 11:20 PM	#14
Blast2hell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 472	Gimmisome wrote: Blast2hell wrote: The other failure is you increased contested content for KoS, but decreased Instance content....when compared to what DoF had. Not a smart trade-off at all when you have increased server populations. If anything, you should of increased both instanced and contested content....this would of been smart. But clearly we see a problem with realzing population concerns and the value of instancing, as we sat a launch with the sanctum of scaleborn problems. ok, last thing I will say on the subject.... There is plenty of "Instanced" Raid content in this expansion, probably as much as there is contested.... you just have to figure out how to get there :smileywink: Your missing the point, at DoF, time of launch, two full size instanced raid zones that could be accessed with no quests. KoS at time of launch has one full size intstanced raid zone that can be access with no quests. This is where they cut content in half, this is all I'm implying. I'm not implying that there isn't other raid content that gets accessed via quest such as PPR did in DoF. Message Edited by Blast2hell on 03-21-200601:21 PM __________________ Athian Miere 70 Barbarian Templar Paradigm-Unrest EQ2 Utility Programs Written By me: Priest Healing Parser EQ2MusicModder

03-21-2006, 11:27 PM	#15
Gimmiso Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=330596209 Posts: 114	ok, I didn't miss the point, but fine.... Is SOE Not adding 2 new raid zones in an upcoming Live Update? I think they are well aware that alot of people do not like having to compete for Raid mobs, it's the same old story again and again. Guild A beats Guild B to contested, thereby control the respawn timer and knowng when to go back, and Guild B never gets the mob, so they complain that it's not fair and everything should be instanced. I am not implying that you are saying this, just a generalization, so don't take it the wrong way.....so anyway, if you really want to get a shot at the contesteds you should do what some other "Guild B's" do..... find Guild A and follow them everywhere they go. :smileytongue: __________________

03-21-2006, 11:28 PM	#16
vinterskugge Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 696	I see this zone simply as somewhere they put in to keep Harla Dar. It's like they wanted her to take some clearing to get to, and if she was in Sanctum you could just train to her. So they put in a zone full of epic trash with a sprinkling of nameds to make getting to her slightly more challenging.

03-21-2006, 11:32 PM	#17
Blast2hell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 472	Gimmisome wrote:ok, I didn't miss the point, but fine.... Is SOE Not adding 2 new raid zones in an upcoming Live Update? I think they are well aware that alot of people do not like having to compete for Raid mobs, it's the same old story again and again. Guild A beats Guild B to contested, thereby control the respawn timer and knowng when to go back, and Guild B never gets the mob, so they complain that it's not fair and everything should be instanced. I am not implying that you are saying this, just a generalization, so don't take it the wrong way.....so anyway, if you really want to get a shot at the contesteds you should do what some other "Guild B's" do..... find Guild A and follow them everywhere they go. :smileytongue: personally I like the contested, and think it's good. Just missing a couple features to keep guilds from easily monoplizing it, such as variable respawn timers, or possible 30 hour lockouts or something. If ya lock one guild out for a day, the other 8 guilds still have to fight for it, but it keeps 1 guild from easily winning all the time just because there based in a timezone that helps them out..... So I think the amount of contested content is great, just not at the cost of instance content, people clearly want contested content, I just want smart contested content....as smart as what was in game before KoS, if not better. ....and you first sentence you imply that SoE is adding 2 new raid zones? I've missed this commentary somewhere, if you could help out with a Link or something so i can read this and then do 4 or 5 cartwheel in my cubicle...it would be great. __________________ Athian Miere 70 Barbarian Templar Paradigm-Unrest EQ2 Utility Programs Written By me: Priest Healing Parser EQ2MusicModder

03-21-2006, 11:41 PM	#18
Gimmiso Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=330596209 Posts: 114	Blast2hell wrote: such as variable respawn timers....and you first sentence you imply that SoE is adding 2 new raid zones? I've missed this commentary somewhere, if you could help out with a Link or something so i can read this and then do 4 or 5 cartwheel in my cubicle...it would be great OH, did I forget to mention that the bosses of ToS are on variable timers..... cause, yeah, they are, when I said 1-6 days. I meant each mob.... Some of them have been seen anywhere from every 2-5 days. It's not a set spawn time.I will see what I can find about the new zones, but I do remember hearing about them, just not sure when they are going to be added..... but I do think that SOE has heard the complaints and taken corrective action (well on this topic at least :smileysad:) __________________

03-22-2006, 12:13 AM	#19
Schmoogles Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 322	This zone should not have a timer as its a contested raid zone. I love this idea, its a great idea. I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. The best thing is that these dragons are not on any set timers like past contested mobs have been like Jenn has said. This zone is also a good stepping stone for newbie raid guild to go in there and farm some x 2 mobs that drops master chests. __________________

03-22-2006, 01:38 AM	#20
ChaosUndivided Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 692	Schmoogles wrote: .... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll.... Cockblocks ftw!

03-22-2006, 02:07 AM	#21
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	Schmoogles wrote: ... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ... That is what is wrong with this game. __________________

03-22-2006, 02:52 AM	#22
Gimmiso Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=330596209 Posts: 114	CoLD MeTaL wrote: Schmoogles wrote: ... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ... That is what is wrong with this game. what is it they say........ "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch". oh, and, "if ya can't beat em. join em"this game is allllllll about competition. If you don't like competition, then I'd suggest you stick to quests. __________________

03-22-2006, 03:12 AM	#23
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	Gimmisome wrote: CoLD MeTaL wrote: Schmoogles wrote: ... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ... That is what is wrong with this game. what is it they say........ "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch". oh, and, "if ya can't beat em. join em"this game is allllllll about competition. If you don't like competition, then I'd suggest you stick to quests. I don't play on PvP servers. __________________

03-22-2006, 03:23 AM	#24
Schmoogles Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 322	CoLD MeTaL wrote: Gimmisome wrote: CoLD MeTaL wrote: Schmoogles wrote: ... I also love the fact that if a guild really wanted to they could keep every dragon down preventing any other guilds from accessing deathtoll. ... That is what is wrong with this game. what is it they say........ "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch". oh, and, "if ya can't beat em. join em"this game is allllllll about competition. If you don't like competition, then I'd suggest you stick to quests. I don't play on PvP servers. Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !! __________________

03-22-2006, 03:25 AM	#25
Gertack_v2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 256	Schmoogles wrote: Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !! Preventing someone from gaining access to a contested zone would be cool. Preventing someone from being able to enter an instance is just being an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

03-22-2006, 03:30 AM	#26
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	Schmoogles wrote: Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !! So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals? Instead of helping one another fulfill goals greater than any one person can do alone. I stand by my previous statement. __________________

03-22-2006, 03:36 AM	#27
Schmoogles Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 322	CoLD MeTaL wrote: So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals? lol __________________

03-22-2006, 03:43 AM	#28
Schmoogles Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 322	Gertack wrote: Preventing someone from gaining access to a contested zone would be cool. Preventing someone from being able to enter an instance is just being an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. lol I'm just saying it could happen. Some of the mobs that you need to enter deathtoll are contested mobs that drop some pretty nice loot. __________________

03-22-2006, 03:44 AM	#29
rek6779 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 112	CoLD MeTaL wrote: So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals? Instead of helping one another fulfill goals greater than any one person can do alone. I'm always confused by statements like this. If they can take down the dragon, all 24 of them alone - achieving their own goals, they should go help the less fortunate achieve there's when done? Are we playing EQ2 or some bad game of help the less able? If I wanted to give to charity, I'd donate to the Red Cross, however, I play to kill things and have fun. I kill the beggars in Maj'Dul to, does that make me a bad person? Beyond that, the stuff that drops from the dragons is nice. Killing it for drops is wrong now? How many named mob have you killed for the "chance at a master" when you know it's a quest mob? Countless, I'm sure. __________________ Alemi - 70 Inquisitor/60 Woodworker - Holy Might - Butcherblock Alemix - 28 Dirge - Holy Might - Butcherblock 70 Sage somewhere in the mix

03-22-2006, 04:44 AM	#30
Screamin' 1 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 98	CoLD MeTaL wrote: Schmoogles wrote: Either do we !! I'm just saying as far as raid guilds goes it can be fun to prevent someone to entering deathtoll. Right now no one on our server has deathtoll acess so its no big deal !! So you get your jollies from preventing people from achieving their goals? Instead of helping one another fulfill goals greater than any one person can do alone. I stand by my previous statement. It should also be noted that intentionally monopolizing game resources is against the TOS. What is the point in actively preventing another guild from achieving something? If that somehow makes someone feel more 'uber', well, that's just sad. It would be like the person that wins American Idol going to the auditions the next year and welding everyone's hotel doors shut so no one can audition, ensuring they are the only 'winner'.