is it just me or...

cultus_fer · 02-10-2006, 05:21 AM

is the class selection at level 1 the only good thing to come out of LU19?

Message Edited by cultus_ferox on 02-09-200604:21 PM

cultus_fer · 02-10-2006, 05:22 AM

i miss the old EQ2.

this new one is starting to suck.

Magu · 02-10-2006, 06:01 AM

Then go play something else. I think the game keeps getting better.

Flor · 02-10-2006, 06:04 AM

I agree with you Magus. I rolled a new character on the new island and had a blast doing new quests, etc. There seem to be new storylines too but I wasn't sure since I rolled a char on the Freeport side and normally am aligned with Queynos. This game gets better and better.

I have mixed emotions about crafting but I will level up a bit before passing judgement.

Way to go SOE. Super game.

Dasein · 02-10-2006, 06:05 AM

The new raid setup tools are very nice. Allowing the raid leader to move group members around is a huge improvement.

EQ2Playa432 · 02-10-2006, 06:43 AM

Magus` wrote:Then go play something else. I think the game keeps getting better.

I agree 100%. :smileyhappy:

Steelswo · 02-10-2006, 06:55 AM

It's you, don't worry, I'm fine with the game.Is this about Test?

Obadiah · 02-10-2006, 11:01 AM

Aye. This game gets better each update.

That was very productive Test feedback that I'm sure will go a long way to shaping EQ2's future.

Thanks.

Vicio · 02-10-2006, 01:13 PM

This game is certainly improving, but SOE missed their chance. I'm out once Vanguard is released.

retro_guy · 02-11-2006, 04:12 AM

Vicious wrote:This game is certainly improving, but SOE missed their chance. I'm out once Vanguard is released.

You don't think VSOH will go through exactly the same issues and nerfs during the first year?I'd be supprised if 50% of the promised features are in at launch.

Tanit · 02-11-2006, 04:32 AM

retro_guy wrote:
Vicious wrote:This game is certainly improving, but SOE missed their chance. I'm out once Vanguard is released.
You don't think VSOH will go through exactly the same issues and nerfs during the first year?I'd be supprised if 50% of the promised features are in at launch.

Hehe. With the current state of vanguard it's hard, if not impossible, to tell how "good" it's going to be. I'm sure it'll have unbalanced classes/items/etc, since most mmog's have that. Thinking a game like vanguard won't have nerfs like this is both highly amusing and very unrealistic.

Dasein · 02-11-2006, 05:14 AM

It would be ironic if Vanguard drew in like 1,000,000 WoW kiddies who then were able to overwhelm the hardcore crowd with their l33t whining skills and get Vanguard nerfed.

In all seriousness, though, that could really hurt the game - if Vanguard siphons off hundreds of thousands of players from WoW, but they don't stick around since the game is too hard for them, it could cause a rapid inflation and then deflation of the game's population, which means either they dump a lot of cash into new servers, which wouldn't be recouped or they suffer through periods of instability and lag brought on by overpopulation. Neither is a particularly good situation to be in.

Feanor · 02-11-2006, 05:59 AM

Dont get me wrong I love this game, but its going downhill fast. I spend more time on the Vanguard site than playing EQ2, sad but true. It's almost as if SOE changes lead designers every other month or something.

Message Edited by Feanoras on 02-10-200605:09 PM

Flor · 02-11-2006, 06:00 AM

What is the release date of Vanguard btw? I haven't done much research into the game other than what I read on these boars.

elbo · 02-11-2006, 01:37 PM

Caswydian wrote:
It would be ironic if Vanguard drew in like 1,000,000 WoW kiddies who then were able to overwhelm the hardcore crowd with their l33t whining skills and get Vanguard nerfed.

In all seriousness, though, that could really hurt the game - if Vanguard siphons off hundreds of thousands of players from WoW, but they don't stick around since the game is too hard for them, it could cause a rapid inflation and then deflation of the game's population, which means either they dump a lot of cash into new servers, which wouldn't be recouped or they suffer through periods of instability and lag brought on by overpopulation. Neither is a particularly good situation to be in.

just like we are doing now when we started this game this game was hard took a brains and comminment to get to advance dead was a pain mobs where hard crafthing was a time sink ...do we have any of than NOW ....the answer is not...pretty much the only diffrence bettewn us and the other is the graffics and you are right VAN is going to siphons 1000's of WOW and EQ2 players and VAN is and is been NERFEd to accommodate this infuse of player just like we are doing at this momment...most producers (not the DEVS) want a huge numbers and ufortunated the DAYS of the TRUE HARDCORE player are number ......TRUE HARDCORE players are in the endagered species list....is a fact that theres still a huge numbers orf the MAMMAS basemant living GEEKS still logging in to every game avialble seraching for ther calll but most of us are in our 40 and beyond we have conside to the norms of real life and have move out of mom basemant and have our basemant...but insted of our bed and a PC our baseant are full of toys for ur offspring .....some of us we dream of the GOOD old days and some of us have high hopes for this game but reality is tthat must of us the GRANDPAS of hardcore don't have it no more ..some of us have past the TORCH to the new generation but this new generation have something we did not have and that was choice so many games to chose so much time...but companys look at the big picture the new hardcore players is the casual player the one that log in 1 hour a day but still pay the monthly fee...So all of you so call hardcore players, all of you so call fanboys...ask your self this ..if you where the producer of the next big game that hit the market do you want to carter to the 1000's of HARDCORE players or do you want to carter to the millions of CASUAL players ..do you as a producer want to make 1000"s of dollars or millions of dollars ....Must people are quick to blame the DEVS for the radical changes but in reality the DEVS have no control on what the producer want ...so for all of you that think VANGUARD is your nirvana ...your promise land.....sorry is not if you keep track of what the offer 2 years ago and what the new thinking is is just a 180 just like the producers did to this game VAN stiull have the essence of the DEVS core idea of wht the game should be but when money talk the producer have the last word you don't expend millions developing a game to carter to a a couple of !000's...that my friend will be ironic

Vicio · 02-11-2006, 04:20 PM

Vanguard will certainly have it's share of issues. However they can't be any worse than what SOE has already given us. Anyways LU 19 isn't a huge deal, it's LU 20 which is being released at KoS's launch.Any input would have to be directed at LU 21.

Paladin776 · 02-11-2006, 05:18 PM

One thing about Vanguard, if the first three years of EQ1 are any indication:

When the nerf bat swings, it will be hard and unforgiving, and no amount of complaining will reverse the decision.

Slusher · 02-11-2006, 07:06 PM

I agree, the game is only getting better. By all means go try out Vanguard, I love trying out new games myself. The servers will still be here when you come back after realizing that Vanguard is more job than game. Unless you like pure time sinks, then that will be the game for you. I think EQ2 has hit that fine balance between way to easy WoW and way to hard Vanguard. Take it from someone who has played all three.

klepp · 02-11-2006, 07:11 PM

to the OP

what exactly makes that good? Oh you mean so botters can get there bots/alts/toons higher level quicker without having to worry about doing a few quests to pass a cap?

god forbid theres some challenge or immersion in the game. I had a buddy that just started playing and i told him too bad he just missed out on doing class advancements and the isle ect. They drain this game of all originality and make it more like wow every day. Heck interdependancy was unique, and awesome.. they snatched that out too.

klepp · 02-11-2006, 07:12 PM

to the 2nd poster, yes i miss the original eq2 as well.. was a much better game at launch

Vicio · 02-12-2006, 05:16 AM

Yeah, I'm worried Vanguard will be all about Timesinks. I don't have 7 hours a day to commit during a play session anymore. With that said I'll never buy another SOE product except for the EQ2 expansions.

02-10-2006, 06:05 AM	#5
Dasein Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,847	The new raid setup tools are very nice. Allowing the raid leader to move group members around is a huge improvement. __________________ Troll Lord Casywdian

02-10-2006, 06:55 AM	#7
Steelswo Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle, Somewhere Posts: 9	It's you, don't worry, I'm fine with the game.Is this about Test? __________________ .___. {O,o} O'RLY? /)__) -"-"-

02-10-2006, 11:01 AM	#8
Obadiah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,154	Aye. This game gets better each update. That was very productive Test feedback that I'm sure will go a long way to shaping EQ2's future. Thanks. __________________

02-11-2006, 04:12 AM	#10
retro_guy Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 935	Vicious wrote:This game is certainly improving, but SOE missed their chance. I'm out once Vanguard is released. You don't think VSOH will go through exactly the same issues and nerfs during the first year?I'd be supprised if 50% of the promised features are in at launch. __________________

02-11-2006, 04:32 AM	#11
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	retro_guy wrote: Vicious wrote:This game is certainly improving, but SOE missed their chance. I'm out once Vanguard is released. You don't think VSOH will go through exactly the same issues and nerfs during the first year?I'd be supprised if 50% of the promised features are in at launch. Hehe. With the current state of vanguard it's hard, if not impossible, to tell how "good" it's going to be. I'm sure it'll have unbalanced classes/items/etc, since most mmog's have that. Thinking a game like vanguard won't have nerfs like this is both highly amusing and very unrealistic. __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

02-10-2006, 05:21 AM	#1
cultus_fer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	is the class selection at level 1 the only good thing to come out of LU19? Message Edited by cultus_ferox on 02-09-200604:21 PM

02-10-2006, 05:22 AM	#2
cultus_fer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	i miss the old EQ2. this new one is starting to suck.

02-10-2006, 06:01 AM	#3
Magu Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,332	Then go play something else. I think the game keeps getting better.

02-10-2006, 06:04 AM	#4
Flor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 146	I agree with you Magus. I rolled a new character on the new island and had a blast doing new quests, etc. There seem to be new storylines too but I wasn't sure since I rolled a char on the Freeport side and normally am aligned with Queynos. This game gets better and better. I have mixed emotions about crafting but I will level up a bit before passing judgement. Way to go SOE. Super game.

02-10-2006, 06:43 AM	#6
EQ2Playa432 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 966	Magus` wrote:Then go play something else. I think the game keeps getting better. I agree 100%. :smileyhappy:

02-10-2006, 01:13 PM	#9
Vicio Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 178	This game is certainly improving, but SOE missed their chance. I'm out once Vanguard is released.

02-11-2006, 05:14 AM	#12
Dasein Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,847	It would be ironic if Vanguard drew in like 1,000,000 WoW kiddies who then were able to overwhelm the hardcore crowd with their l33t whining skills and get Vanguard nerfed. In all seriousness, though, that could really hurt the game - if Vanguard siphons off hundreds of thousands of players from WoW, but they don't stick around since the game is too hard for them, it could cause a rapid inflation and then deflation of the game's population, which means either they dump a lot of cash into new servers, which wouldn't be recouped or they suffer through periods of instability and lag brought on by overpopulation. Neither is a particularly good situation to be in. __________________ Troll Lord Casywdian

02-11-2006, 05:59 AM	#13
Feanor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rapid City SD Posts: 4	Dont get me wrong I love this game, but its going downhill fast. I spend more time on the Vanguard site than playing EQ2, sad but true. It's almost as if SOE changes lead designers every other month or something. Message Edited by Feanoras on 02-10-200605:09 PM __________________ _______________________________________________ As below, so above...1.618...before we pine away...

02-11-2006, 06:00 AM	#14
Flor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 146	What is the release date of Vanguard btw? I haven't done much research into the game other than what I read on these boars.

02-11-2006, 01:37 PM	#15
elbo Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9	Caswydian wrote: It would be ironic if Vanguard drew in like 1,000,000 WoW kiddies who then were able to overwhelm the hardcore crowd with their l33t whining skills and get Vanguard nerfed. In all seriousness, though, that could really hurt the game - if Vanguard siphons off hundreds of thousands of players from WoW, but they don't stick around since the game is too hard for them, it could cause a rapid inflation and then deflation of the game's population, which means either they dump a lot of cash into new servers, which wouldn't be recouped or they suffer through periods of instability and lag brought on by overpopulation. Neither is a particularly good situation to be in. just like we are doing now when we started this game this game was hard took a brains and comminment to get to advance dead was a pain mobs where hard crafthing was a time sink ...do we have any of than NOW ....the answer is not...pretty much the only diffrence bettewn us and the other is the graffics and you are right VAN is going to siphons 1000's of WOW and EQ2 players and VAN is and is been NERFEd to accommodate this infuse of player just like we are doing at this momment...most producers (not the DEVS) want a huge numbers and ufortunated the DAYS of the TRUE HARDCORE player are number ......TRUE HARDCORE players are in the endagered species list....is a fact that theres still a huge numbers orf the MAMMAS basemant living GEEKS still logging in to every game avialble seraching for ther calll but most of us are in our 40 and beyond we have conside to the norms of real life and have move out of mom basemant and have our basemant...but insted of our bed and a PC our baseant are full of toys for ur offspring .....some of us we dream of the GOOD old days and some of us have high hopes for this game but reality is tthat must of us the GRANDPAS of hardcore don't have it no more ..some of us have past the TORCH to the new generation but this new generation have something we did not have and that was choice so many games to chose so much time...but companys look at the big picture the new hardcore players is the casual player the one that log in 1 hour a day but still pay the monthly fee...So all of you so call hardcore players, all of you so call fanboys...ask your self this ..if you where the producer of the next big game that hit the market do you want to carter to the 1000's of HARDCORE players or do you want to carter to the millions of CASUAL players ..do you as a producer want to make 1000"s of dollars or millions of dollars ....Must people are quick to blame the DEVS for the radical changes but in reality the DEVS have no control on what the producer want ...so for all of you that think VANGUARD is your nirvana ...your promise land.....sorry is not if you keep track of what the offer 2 years ago and what the new thinking is is just a 180 just like the producers did to this game VAN stiull have the essence of the DEVS core idea of wht the game should be but when money talk the producer have the last word you don't expend millions developing a game to carter to a a couple of !000's...that my friend will be ironic

02-11-2006, 04:20 PM	#16
Vicio Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 178	Vanguard will certainly have it's share of issues. However they can't be any worse than what SOE has already given us. Anyways LU 19 isn't a huge deal, it's LU 20 which is being released at KoS's launch.Any input would have to be directed at LU 21.

02-11-2006, 05:18 PM	#17
Paladin776 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 501	One thing about Vanguard, if the first three years of EQ1 are any indication: When the nerf bat swings, it will be hard and unforgiving, and no amount of complaining will reverse the decision. __________________

02-11-2006, 07:06 PM	#18
Slusher Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	I agree, the game is only getting better. By all means go try out Vanguard, I love trying out new games myself. The servers will still be here when you come back after realizing that Vanguard is more job than game. Unless you like pure time sinks, then that will be the game for you. I think EQ2 has hit that fine balance between way to easy WoW and way to hard Vanguard. Take it from someone who has played all three.

02-11-2006, 07:11 PM	#19
klepp Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 236	to the OP what exactly makes that good? Oh you mean so botters can get there bots/alts/toons higher level quicker without having to worry about doing a few quests to pass a cap? god forbid theres some challenge or immersion in the game. I had a buddy that just started playing and i told him too bad he just missed out on doing class advancements and the isle ect. They drain this game of all originality and make it more like wow every day. Heck interdependancy was unique, and awesome.. they snatched that out too.

02-11-2006, 07:12 PM	#20
klepp Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 236	to the 2nd poster, yes i miss the original eq2 as well.. was a much better game at launch

02-12-2006, 05:16 AM	#21
Vicio Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 178	Yeah, I'm worried Vanguard will be all about Timesinks. I don't have 7 hours a day to commit during a play session anymore. With that said I'll never buy another SOE product except for the EQ2 expansions.