Why no T6 writs yet?

tek2 · 10-16-2005, 12:39 AM

please put tier 6 adventurer and crafting writs in game, ty

no one cares about the gigglegibber goblins

Kenazeer · 10-16-2005, 05:27 AM

tek2k5 wrote:
please put tier 6 adventurer and crafting writs in game, ty

no one cares about the gigglegibber goblins

Answer really? Plain and simple....... Greed. SoE knew this expansion was not ready for release in either content or mechanics but pushed it out anyway. People expected the tier equivalent content to be there and it wasnt. When you go to buy a car you do you doublecheck to make sure a spare tire is included? Of course not, you take it for granted it will be there. When people bought this expansion they had the reasonable expectation that certain things would be included. SoE chose the greedy path and pushed it out for an extended paid beta. I love my Swashy and am having fun, but the broken/missing content is inexcusable.

Message Edited by Kenazeer on 10-15-2005 06:28 PM

HanktheDwarf · 10-16-2005, 05:38 AM

It's so inexcuseable, but yet you still pay them money to put out products like this. Didn't they wait like six months before they had T4/T5 writs in the game? There is a saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Meh, there's enough content in for my average playing time to not worry about every little thing that's not in the game.

Calthine · 10-16-2005, 05:42 AM

We had an answer of sorts from the tradeskill Dev:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=71926#M71926

Message Edited by Calthine on 10-15-2005 05:43 PM

Kenazeer · 10-16-2005, 05:51 AM

I'll just pick one thing out of the list for you to "defend" Hank...... Food/Drink....well that is two things but they are connected. SMILEY

Lol....but go ahead and beat the drum for SoE Hank. I said I enjoyed my character, but you can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well bet that if SoE wasnt the only way to get my "fix" I would take my money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, paying my money GIVES me the right to complain/offer feedback. It's the "only game in town," and just because I pay for it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like everything they do. My father-in-law just cancelled today. Thank god I have a decent class or I would probably be with him. SoE needs to wake up and realize that people would be happier with less working content than more broken content. But how about those gambling goblins.

HanktheDwarf · 10-16-2005, 06:54 AM

Kenazeer wrote: Lol....but go ahead and beat the drum for SoE Hank. I said I enjoyed my character, but you can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well bet that if SoE wasnt the only way to get my "fix" I would take my money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, paying my money GIVES me the right to complain/offer feedback. It's the "only game in town," and just because I pay for it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like everything they do.

Only game in town, huh? I went to MMORPG.COM and counted 86 games as being 'released', 28 in 'Beta testing', and 50 more 'In Development'. Or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by the "only game in town". If I'm not happy with the way a store is run... Maybe the chick at Abercrombie called me fat and told me to get a bigger size... Maybe the guy at Barnes & Noble said I looked to stupid to buy a book... Maybe it took the people at McDonald's 30 minutes to gimme my food and it had spit in it... You know what I do? Sure, I complain, but then I don't keep going back and giving them my money. I'm not 'beating the drum' for SOE, I'm saying if you're not happy with their practices, stop paying them.

Kenazeer wrote: SoE needs to wake up and realize that people would be happier with less working content than more broken content.

T6 writs aren't broken, they aren't even in the game. So you should be happier, huh? Less content, right?

Kenazeer · 10-16-2005, 07:39 PM

HanktheDwarf wrote:
Kenazeer wrote: Lol....but go ahead and beat the drum for SoE Hank. I said I enjoyed my character, but you can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well bet that if SoE wasnt the only way to get my "fix" I would take my money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, paying my money GIVES me the right to complain/offer feedback. It's the "only game in town," and just because I pay for it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like everything they do.
Only game in town, huh? I went to MMORPG.COM and counted 86 games as being 'released', 28 in 'Beta testing', and 50 more 'In Development'. Or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by the "only game in town". If I'm not happy with the way a store is run... Maybe the chick at Abercrombie called me fat and told me to get a bigger size... Maybe the guy at Barnes & Noble said I looked to stupid to buy a book... Maybe it took the people at McDonald's 30 minutes to gimme my food and it had spit in it... You know what I do? Sure, I complain, but then I don't keep going back and giving them my money. I'm not 'beating the drum' for SOE, I'm saying if you're not happy with their practices, stop paying them.
Kenazeer wrote: SoE needs to wake up and realize that people would be happier with less working content than more broken content.
T6 writs aren't broken, they aren't even in the game. So you should be happier, huh? Less content, right?

Way to evade Hank. I gave you one thing to defend and you chose to pass. Anyway....your examples are extremes. This is more like having to consistently wait in long lines at Wal-Mart because they never have enough cashiers. Very, very irritating, but since it is closer to my house then Meijers I really have only one reasonable choice. Now if Meijers and Wal-Mart were equidistant..... Also, I put only game in town in quotes for a reason. Ususally people pick that up to mean a use in the figurative and not literal sense, but I guess you took me literally, The point being, this is the "only game in town" that suits what I am looking for in a game, and also the only one in which I have almost a year of character development. If, and that is a big if, a better alternative were to come along ( built a Meijers close enough), I would dump this old character and start over. SoE needs to do more to make me want to stay, and releasing imcomplete/broken content does not do that.

Message Edited by Kenazeer on 10-16-2005 08:47 AM

HanktheDwarf · 10-16-2005, 08:42 PM

I told you already that I wasn't defending SoE, that's why I chose to 'pass'. But it's not just about 'waiting in line'. People complain that the Customer Service is rude/never answers their questions. They complain about nerfs that make the game unplayable. People complain that their class is broken, and just turn around and play a different one and wait to complain when that one gets nerfed. Is Meijers really that far from Walmart that you won't drive out their for a little better service?

Kenazeer · 10-17-2005, 02:28 AM

HanktheDwarf wrote:I told you already that I wasn't defending SoE, that's why I chose to 'pass'. But it's not just about 'waiting in line'. People complain that the Customer Service is rude/never answers their questions. They complain about nerfs that make the game unplayable. People complain that their class is broken, and just turn around and play a different one and wait to complain when that one gets nerfed. Is Meijers really that far from Walmart that you won't drive out their for a little better service?

If all those complaints applied to me I would probably be hitting the road. Fortunately, they dont. I have had really good luck with the CSRs in this game and have no complaints there, and my character was actually made more useful in the revamp as opposed to being nerfed. It isnt about any ONE thing that SoE does to make me, or others, unhappy; it is the chinese water torture of little things that build up over time. There are some people who will take any amount of "abuse" and keep coming back for more. Then there are those who are so thin skinned that the smallest "slight" will cause them to bolt. Somewhere in the middle is the vast majority of people who are willing to put up with a certain amount, but will eventually reach a tipping point given enough factors over a finite time frame. I am in this middle group. For want of a better analogy, people, to a certain degree, feel "married" to their characters and this game. It isn't a realtionship that is taken lightly. Most people, me included, are willing to put up with a certain amount of flaws, and short of outright "infidelity," will keep an unconcious running calculus of plusses/minuses. There are many "marriages" which end because of an event/action that you can definitely put a finger on. Then again, there are many where one day one of the partners wakes up and says "I am just not happy anymore" and cant really put a finger on why they got there. Would I take the trouble to drive to Meijers JUST to avoid the extra few minutes in line? Nope, not if that was the only factor in the equation. But if they were to through in something else, say they stopped carrying produce, that might throw me over the tipping point. Right now SoE seems to be adding more items to the "leave" side of the see-saw than they are adding to the "stay" side. It obviously hasn't reached crisis proportions yet, but who is to say it won't if players do not speak up. A lot of things that were bugged at release CAN be chalked up to getting a new game out. However, when we are a year into the game there is a reasonable expectation that things currently in the game will continue to function in the expansion, escpecially if they were "bugged" and fixed. As you pointed out, there are many many games currently released, in beta, or in develeopment. Antoher expansion like this one and I am afraid a number of people WILL wake up one morning and say "I am just not happy anymore."

Vicio · 10-17-2005, 07:19 AM

Vanguard: Saga of Heros

Until Vanguard is released we're going to have to bend over and take it. The day it's released there will be absolutly no excuse for anyone to still play this game.

missionarymarr · 10-17-2005, 10:51 AM

Vicious wrote:

Vanguard: Saga of Heros

Until Vanguard is released we're going to have to bend over and take it. The day it's released there will be absolutly no excuse for anyone to still play this game.

I would be surprised if a lot of the people complaining about the changes made to EQ2 especially in regards to soloing will like Vanguard at all. Everything I know about the main developer tells me it is going to be much closer to eq1 and basically force you to group to do anything especially as you get higher in level. It wouldn't surprise me to find other stupid restrictions in the game that make it hard to do things.

10-16-2005, 05:27 AM	#2
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	tek2k5 wrote: please put tier 6 adventurer and crafting writs in game, ty no one cares about the gigglegibber goblins Answer really? Plain and simple....... Greed. SoE knew this expansion was not ready for release in either content or mechanics but pushed it out anyway. People expected the tier equivalent content to be there and it wasnt. When you go to buy a car you do you doublecheck to make sure a spare tire is included? Of course not, you take it for granted it will be there. When people bought this expansion they had the reasonable expectation that certain things would be included. SoE chose the greedy path and pushed it out for an extended paid beta. I love my Swashy and am having fun, but the broken/missing content is inexcusable. Message Edited by Kenazeer on 10-15-2005 06:28 PM __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

10-16-2005, 05:42 AM	#4
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	We had an answer of sorts from the tradeskill Dev: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=71926#M71926 Message Edited by Calthine on 10-15-2005 05:43 PM __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

10-16-2005, 05:51 AM	#5
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	I'll just pick one thing out of the list for you to "defend" Hank...... Food/Drink....well that is two things but they are connected. Lol....but go ahead and beat the drum for SoE Hank. I said I enjoyed my character, but you can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well bet that if SoE wasnt the only way to get my "fix" I would take my money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, paying my money GIVES me the right to complain/offer feedback. It's the "only game in town," and just because I pay for it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like everything they do. My father-in-law just cancelled today. Thank god I have a decent class or I would probably be with him. SoE needs to wake up and realize that people would be happier with less working content than more broken content. But how about those gambling goblins. __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

10-16-2005, 06:54 AM	#6
HanktheDwarf Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 249	Kenazeer wrote: Lol....but go ahead and beat the drum for SoE Hank. I said I enjoyed my character, but you can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well bet that if SoE wasnt the only way to get my "fix" I would take my money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, paying my money GIVES me the right to complain/offer feedback. It's the "only game in town," and just because I pay for it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like everything they do. Only game in town, huh? I went to MMORPG.COM and counted 86 games as being 'released', 28 in 'Beta testing', and 50 more 'In Development'. Or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by the "only game in town". If I'm not happy with the way a store is run... Maybe the chick at Abercrombie called me fat and told me to get a bigger size... Maybe the guy at Barnes & Noble said I looked to stupid to buy a book... Maybe it took the people at McDonald's 30 minutes to gimme my food and it had spit in it... You know what I do? Sure, I complain, but then I don't keep going back and giving them my money. I'm not 'beating the drum' for SOE, I'm saying if you're not happy with their practices, stop paying them. Kenazeer wrote: SoE needs to wake up and realize that people would be happier with less working content than more broken content. T6 writs aren't broken, they aren't even in the game. So you should be happier, huh? Less content, right?

10-16-2005, 07:39 PM	#7
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	HanktheDwarf wrote: Kenazeer wrote: Lol....but go ahead and beat the drum for SoE Hank. I said I enjoyed my character, but you can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well bet that if SoE wasnt the only way to get my "fix" I would take my money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, paying my money GIVES me the right to complain/offer feedback. It's the "only game in town," and just because I pay for it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like everything they do. Only game in town, huh? I went to MMORPG.COM and counted 86 games as being 'released', 28 in 'Beta testing', and 50 more 'In Development'. Or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by the "only game in town". If I'm not happy with the way a store is run... Maybe the chick at Abercrombie called me fat and told me to get a bigger size... Maybe the guy at Barnes & Noble said I looked to stupid to buy a book... Maybe it took the people at McDonald's 30 minutes to gimme my food and it had spit in it... You know what I do? Sure, I complain, but then I don't keep going back and giving them my money. I'm not 'beating the drum' for SOE, I'm saying if you're not happy with their practices, stop paying them. Kenazeer wrote: SoE needs to wake up and realize that people would be happier with less working content than more broken content. T6 writs aren't broken, they aren't even in the game. So you should be happier, huh? Less content, right? Way to evade Hank. I gave you one thing to defend and you chose to pass. Anyway....your examples are extremes. This is more like having to consistently wait in long lines at Wal-Mart because they never have enough cashiers. Very, very irritating, but since it is closer to my house then Meijers I really have only one reasonable choice. Now if Meijers and Wal-Mart were equidistant..... Also, I put only game in town in quotes for a reason. Ususally people pick that up to mean a use in the figurative and not literal sense, but I guess you took me literally, The point being, this is the "only game in town" that suits what I am looking for in a game, and also the only one in which I have almost a year of character development. If, and that is a big if, a better alternative were to come along ( built a Meijers close enough), I would dump this old character and start over. SoE needs to do more to make me want to stay, and releasing imcomplete/broken content does not do that. Message Edited by Kenazeer on 10-16-2005 08:47 AM __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

10-16-2005, 12:39 AM	#1
tek2 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 37	please put tier 6 adventurer and crafting writs in game, ty no one cares about the gigglegibber goblins

10-16-2005, 05:38 AM	#3
HanktheDwarf Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 249	It's so inexcuseable, but yet you still pay them money to put out products like this. Didn't they wait like six months before they had T4/T5 writs in the game? There is a saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Meh, there's enough content in for my average playing time to not worry about every little thing that's not in the game.

10-16-2005, 08:42 PM	#8
HanktheDwarf Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 249	I told you already that I wasn't defending SoE, that's why I chose to 'pass'. But it's not just about 'waiting in line'. People complain that the Customer Service is rude/never answers their questions. They complain about nerfs that make the game unplayable. People complain that their class is broken, and just turn around and play a different one and wait to complain when that one gets nerfed. Is Meijers really that far from Walmart that you won't drive out their for a little better service?

10-17-2005, 02:28 AM	#9
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	HanktheDwarf wrote:I told you already that I wasn't defending SoE, that's why I chose to 'pass'. But it's not just about 'waiting in line'. People complain that the Customer Service is rude/never answers their questions. They complain about nerfs that make the game unplayable. People complain that their class is broken, and just turn around and play a different one and wait to complain when that one gets nerfed. Is Meijers really that far from Walmart that you won't drive out their for a little better service? If all those complaints applied to me I would probably be hitting the road. Fortunately, they dont. I have had really good luck with the CSRs in this game and have no complaints there, and my character was actually made more useful in the revamp as opposed to being nerfed. It isnt about any ONE thing that SoE does to make me, or others, unhappy; it is the chinese water torture of little things that build up over time. There are some people who will take any amount of "abuse" and keep coming back for more. Then there are those who are so thin skinned that the smallest "slight" will cause them to bolt. Somewhere in the middle is the vast majority of people who are willing to put up with a certain amount, but will eventually reach a tipping point given enough factors over a finite time frame. I am in this middle group. For want of a better analogy, people, to a certain degree, feel "married" to their characters and this game. It isn't a realtionship that is taken lightly. Most people, me included, are willing to put up with a certain amount of flaws, and short of outright "infidelity," will keep an unconcious running calculus of plusses/minuses. There are many "marriages" which end because of an event/action that you can definitely put a finger on. Then again, there are many where one day one of the partners wakes up and says "I am just not happy anymore" and cant really put a finger on why they got there. Would I take the trouble to drive to Meijers JUST to avoid the extra few minutes in line? Nope, not if that was the only factor in the equation. But if they were to through in something else, say they stopped carrying produce, that might throw me over the tipping point. Right now SoE seems to be adding more items to the "leave" side of the see-saw than they are adding to the "stay" side. It obviously hasn't reached crisis proportions yet, but who is to say it won't if players do not speak up. A lot of things that were bugged at release CAN be chalked up to getting a new game out. However, when we are a year into the game there is a reasonable expectation that things currently in the game will continue to function in the expansion, escpecially if they were "bugged" and fixed. As you pointed out, there are many many games currently released, in beta, or in develeopment. Antoher expansion like this one and I am afraid a number of people WILL wake up one morning and say "I am just not happy anymore." __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

10-17-2005, 07:19 AM	#10
Vicio Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 178	Vanguard: Saga of Heros Until Vanguard is released we're going to have to bend over and take it. The day it's released there will be absolutly no excuse for anyone to still play this game.

10-17-2005, 10:51 AM	#11
missionarymarr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 215	Vicious wrote: Vanguard: Saga of Heros Until Vanguard is released we're going to have to bend over and take it. The day it's released there will be absolutly no excuse for anyone to still play this game. I would be surprised if a lot of the people complaining about the changes made to EQ2 especially in regards to soloing will like Vanguard at all. Everything I know about the main developer tells me it is going to be much closer to eq1 and basically force you to group to do anything especially as you get higher in level. It wouldn't surprise me to find other stupid restrictions in the game that make it hard to do things.